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| goldbanjo... |
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Maybe some of you remember that I had tooth #11 removed in January. I
also had a bone graft. I have been putting off getting the implant
done out of fear of pain. I am scared of having this done awake, the
thought of them drilling into my bone, the thought of the injection in
the palate. I was asleep for the extraction and graft. I am wondering
if many people choose sedation for this. He is an oral surgeon (going
to the same one who I love) so I imagine he would do it under sedation
(I have to call and get a consult again). How much pain do most people
feel that evening and for the next few days? I am terrified and
walking around toothless, not smiling...people don't even see it when
I talk but I have learned to smile with my mouth closed. This is no
way to live, I am a pretty woman who takes care of herself and feel,
what's the sense of the nice clothes and everything else if I look
like a street junkie or poor person when I smile? This is getting
ridiculous, my postponing it because as you well know, it's another
wait after the implant. I just want to do this already. Please tell me
if it's very painful afterwards. Is that area more painful than if it
were another? Pardon me if I sound like a scared rabbit...I have had
gall bladder surgery, rhinoplasty, knee surgery but this terrifies me
more. Thanks. |
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| goldbanjo... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:07 pm |
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Hi Steve, that's good to hear. Do most patients have pain for just a
few days...what's average? Also, which meds would be appropriate for
this? Would Advil be enough? I've heard it said that for tooth pain,
Advil is better than Percocet or Vicodin....but this isn't exactly
tooth pain because there is no tooth. What do most dentists give for
the pain? Also, could you tell me your opinion about being awake for
this? Does it hurt at all even with local and how long does one
implant usually take to do?
On Oct 6, 9:39 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm... at (no spam) earthlink.net>
wrote:
[quote:2a8d3a5b18]goldbanjo wrote:
Maybe some of you remember that I had tooth #11 removed in January. I
also had a bone graft. I have been putting off getting the implant
done out of fear of pain. I am scared of having this done awake, the
thought of them drilling into my bone, the thought of the injection in
the palate. I was asleep for the extraction and graft. I am wondering
if many people choose sedation for this. He is an oral surgeon (going
to the same one who I love) so I imagine he would do it under sedation
(I have to call and get a consult again). How much pain do most people
feel that evening and for the next few days? I am terrified and
walking around toothless, not smiling...people don't even see it when
I talk but I have learned to smile with my mouth closed. This is no
way to live, I am a pretty woman who takes care of herself and feel,
what's the sense of the nice clothes and everything else if I look
like a street junkie or poor person when I smile? This is getting
ridiculous, my postponing it because as you well know, it's another
wait after the implant. I just want to do this already. Please tell me
if it's very painful afterwards. Is that area more painful than if it
were another? Pardon me if I sound like a scared rabbit...I have had
gall bladder surgery, rhinoplasty, knee surgery but this terrifies me
more. Thanks.
None of my patients have reported severe pain afterwards--not even
multiple implant cases. It's reasonable to expect some pain, but it
should be manageable with appropriate meds.
Steve[/quote:2a8d3a5b18] |
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| Steven Bornfeld... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:39 pm |
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goldbanjo wrote:
[quote:351402bd05]Maybe some of you remember that I had tooth #11 removed in January. I
also had a bone graft. I have been putting off getting the implant
done out of fear of pain. I am scared of having this done awake, the
thought of them drilling into my bone, the thought of the injection in
the palate. I was asleep for the extraction and graft. I am wondering
if many people choose sedation for this. He is an oral surgeon (going
to the same one who I love) so I imagine he would do it under sedation
(I have to call and get a consult again). How much pain do most people
feel that evening and for the next few days? I am terrified and
walking around toothless, not smiling...people don't even see it when
I talk but I have learned to smile with my mouth closed. This is no
way to live, I am a pretty woman who takes care of herself and feel,
what's the sense of the nice clothes and everything else if I look
like a street junkie or poor person when I smile? This is getting
ridiculous, my postponing it because as you well know, it's another
wait after the implant. I just want to do this already. Please tell me
if it's very painful afterwards. Is that area more painful than if it
were another? Pardon me if I sound like a scared rabbit...I have had
gall bladder surgery, rhinoplasty, knee surgery but this terrifies me
more. Thanks.
[/quote:351402bd05]
None of my patients have reported severe pain afterwards--not even
multiple implant cases. It's reasonable to expect some pain, but it
should be manageable with appropriate meds.
Steve |
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:20 am |
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I just had a tooth diagnosed as not worth saving, and will
also be having implant. I'm curious also about the process,
pain level, and so on. So, at least one other person is
reading with interest.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"goldbanjo" <goldbanjo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ca1fbad2-3bf0-417c-a9c8-ced24a2e5705 at (no spam) r36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
Hi Steve, that's good to hear. Do most patients have pain
for just a
few days...what's average? Also, which meds would be
appropriate for
this? Would Advil be enough? I've heard it said that for
tooth pain,
Advil is better than Percocet or Vicodin....but this isn't
exactly
tooth pain because there is no tooth. What do most dentists
give for
the pain? Also, could you tell me your opinion about being
awake for
this? Does it hurt at all even with local and how long does
one
implant usually take to do? |
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:21 am |
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That's seriously encouraging. What have you found to be
effective, for pain and bleeding control, etc? I'm sure my
dentist will give me instructions. But always want to learn
more.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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On Oct 6, 9:39 pm, Steven Bornfeld
<dentaltwinm... at (no spam) earthlink.net>
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[quote:03c0e4659c]
None of my patients have reported severe pain
afterwards--not even
multiple implant cases. It's reasonable to expect some
pain, but it
should be manageable with appropriate meds.
Steve[/quote:03c0e4659c] |
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| Steven Bornfeld... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:47 am |
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goldbanjo wrote:
[quote:2a456cfc77]Hi Steve, that's good to hear. Do most patients have pain for just a
few days...what's average? Also, which meds would be appropriate for
this? Would Advil be enough? I've heard it said that for tooth pain,
Advil is better than Percocet or Vicodin....but this isn't exactly
tooth pain because there is no tooth. What do most dentists give for
the pain? Also, could you tell me your opinion about being awake for
this? Does it hurt at all even with local and how long does one
implant usually take to do?
[/quote:2a456cfc77]
Remember that I'm getting reports back after the fact from patients,
and not everyone is a good reporter. My wife had an implant (upper
lateral incisor) and had severe pain after the extraction--but she had a
serious mid-facial infection at the time. The implant placement was far
less uncomfortable. I don't remember what was prescribed for the pain.
I think most dentists will give some form or codeine or oxycodone.
Vicodin will probably be more effective than ibuprofen, but also has a
greater incidence of stomach upset, nausea, etc. as with any narcotic.
You should have no pain during the procedure, though you may feel some
pressure and vibration.
Steve
[quote:2a456cfc77]
On Oct 6, 9:39 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm... at (no spam) earthlink.net
wrote:
goldbanjo wrote:
Maybe some of you remember that I had tooth #11 removed in January. I
also had a bone graft. I have been putting off getting the implant
done out of fear of pain. I am scared of having this done awake, the
thought of them drilling into my bone, the thought of the injection in
the palate. I was asleep for the extraction and graft. I am wondering
if many people choose sedation for this. He is an oral surgeon (going
to the same one who I love) so I imagine he would do it under sedation
(I have to call and get a consult again). How much pain do most people
feel that evening and for the next few days? I am terrified and
walking around toothless, not smiling...people don't even see it when
I talk but I have learned to smile with my mouth closed. This is no
way to live, I am a pretty woman who takes care of herself and feel,
what's the sense of the nice clothes and everything else if I look
like a street junkie or poor person when I smile? This is getting
ridiculous, my postponing it because as you well know, it's another
wait after the implant. I just want to do this already. Please tell me
if it's very painful afterwards. Is that area more painful than if it
were another? Pardon me if I sound like a scared rabbit...I have had
gall bladder surgery, rhinoplasty, knee surgery but this terrifies me
more. Thanks.
None of my patients have reported severe pain afterwards--not even
multiple implant cases. It's reasonable to expect some pain, but it
should be manageable with appropriate meds.
Steve
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| Dartos... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:54 pm |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
[quote:b7be56fd10]I just had a tooth diagnosed as not worth saving, and will
also be having implant. I'm curious also about the process,
pain level, and so on. So, at least one other person is
reading with interest.
[/quote:b7be56fd10]
I have undergone most types of dental treatment, but I have
not had an implant...yet <G>. So, I can't tell you any
direct personal experiences.
I have had many patients with single and multiple implant
placements. To date, noone has had anything remarkable to
say about it.
I send my cases to an oral surgeon but I hear a lot more
complaining about having wisdom teeth removed than implant
placement, so I think someone would say something if it
was a bad experience.
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| goldbanjo... |
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On Oct 7, 4:54 pm, Dartos <tuthjoc... at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote:
[quote:1b93e74a95]Stormin Mormon wrote:
I just had a tooth diagnosed as not worth saving, and will
also be having implant. I'm curious also about the process,
pain level, and so on. So, at least one other person is
reading with interest.
I have undergone most types of dental treatment, but I have
not had an implant...yet <G>. So, I can't tell you any
direct personal experiences.
I have had many patients with single and multiple implant
placements. To date, noone has had anything remarkable to
say about it.
I send my cases to an oral surgeon but I hear a lot more
complaining about having wisdom teeth removed than implant
placement, so I think someone would say something if it
was a bad experience.
D
[/quote:1b93e74a95]
Thanks to everyone who replied. I just have to decide about the
sedation. |
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:18 am |
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Don't rush the decision. Sleep on it.
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"goldbanjo" <goldbanjo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:09beb2ed-6747-4141-af7c-6ddc59973a2d at (no spam) o36g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Thanks to everyone who replied. I just have to decide about
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| tenthmed... |
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On Oct 6, 8:07 pm, goldbanjo <goldba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:366766f337]Maybe some of you remember that I had tooth #11 removed in January. I
also had a bone graft. I have been putting off getting the implant
done out of fear of pain. I am scared of having this done awake, the
thought of them drilling into my bone, the thought of the injection in
the palate. I was asleep for the extraction and graft. I am wondering
if many people choose sedation for this. He is an oral surgeon (going
to the same one who I love) so I imagine he would do it under sedation
(I have to call and get a consult again). How much pain do most people
feel that evening and for the next few days? I am terrified and
walking around toothless, not smiling...people don't even see it when
I talk but I have learned to smile with my mouth closed. This is no
way to live, I am a pretty woman who takes care of herself and feel,
what's the sense of the nice clothes and everything else if I look
like a street junkie or poor person when I smile? This is getting
ridiculous, my postponing it because as you well know, it's another
wait after the implant. I just want to do this already. Please tell me
if it's very painful afterwards. Is that area more painful than if it
were another? Pardon me if I sound like a scared rabbit...I have had
gall bladder surgery, rhinoplasty, knee surgery but this terrifies me
more. Thanks.
[/quote:366766f337]
Nowadays, placing a single implant like yours will take about 30
minutes total. Local anaesthesia is all that will be needed. It is
easier to numb up the edentulous site of #11 than the tooth #11
because the soft tissue and bone have far less innervation than a
tooth. If the ridge is adequate after healing all that is needed is to
place the implant in a flapless manner i.e without retracting a gum
flap. With this technique, I almost never hear of ANY post-surgical
discomfort. Honestly, the ONLY reason for sedation to place an implant
fixture in area #11 would be for emotional/psychological reasons. You
will be surprised at how simple the procedure will be and you probably
will wonder just why you were so concerned to begin with. Your
extraction and socket graft was more uncomfortable than the implant
placement will be. Just do it. |
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:32 am |
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Thanks, that's reassuring.
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"Dartos" <tuthjockey at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote in message
news:1254938525_22462 at (no spam) news.newsville.com...
I send my cases to an oral surgeon but I hear a lot more
complaining about having wisdom teeth removed than implant
placement, so I think someone would say something if it
was a bad experience.
D |
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| The Webby... |
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In article
<42c658cb-afef-49b4-bde5-6170c51a3b97 at (no spam) k33g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
tenthmed <tenthmed at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:c6d09f16aa]On Oct 6, 8:07 pm, goldbanjo <goldba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe some of you remember that I had tooth #11 removed in January. I
also had a bone graft. I have been putting off getting the implant
done out of fear of pain. I am scared of having this done awake, the
thought of them drilling into my bone, the thought of the injection in
the palate. I was asleep for the extraction and graft. I am wondering
if many people choose sedation for this. He is an oral surgeon (going
to the same one who I love) so I imagine he would do it under sedation
(I have to call and get a consult again). How much pain do most people
feel that evening and for the next few days? I am terrified and
walking around toothless, not smiling...people don't even see it when
I talk but I have learned to smile with my mouth closed. This is no
way to live, I am a pretty woman who takes care of herself and feel,
what's the sense of the nice clothes and everything else if I look
like a street junkie or poor person when I smile? This is getting
ridiculous, my postponing it because as you well know, it's another
wait after the implant. I just want to do this already. Please tell me
if it's very painful afterwards. Is that area more painful than if it
were another? Pardon me if I sound like a scared rabbit...I have had
gall bladder surgery, rhinoplasty, knee surgery but this terrifies me
more. Thanks.
Nowadays, placing a single implant like yours will take about 30
minutes total. Local anaesthesia is all that will be needed. It is
easier to numb up the edentulous site of #11 than the tooth #11
because the soft tissue and bone have far less innervation than a
tooth. If the ridge is adequate after healing all that is needed is to
place the implant in a flapless manner i.e without retracting a gum
flap. With this technique, I almost never hear of ANY post-surgical
discomfort. Honestly, the ONLY reason for sedation to place an implant
fixture in area #11 would be for emotional/psychological reasons. You
will be surprised at how simple the procedure will be and you probably
will wonder just why you were so concerned to begin with. Your
extraction and socket graft was more uncomfortable than the implant
placement will be. Just do it.
[/quote:c6d09f16aa]
How much, ballpark, does this procedure cost these days? (Thinking back
a couple decades when the price tag exceeded $10,000 per tooth ... I'm
thinking the price must have come down as the procedure as become so
much more "mainstream".) I'm curious because I see advertisements that
make this procedure seem so "affordable" and I wonder if or how that can
be true when people may "need" multiple implants... or even just one.
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The Webby wrote:
[quote:2135793d9b]In article
42c658cb-afef-49b4-bde5-6170c51a3b97 at (no spam) k33g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
tenthmed <tenthmed at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 8:07 pm, goldbanjo <goldba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe some of you remember that I had tooth #11 removed in January. I
also had a bone graft. I have been putting off getting the implant
done out of fear of pain. I am scared of having this done awake, the
thought of them drilling into my bone, the thought of the injection in
the palate. I was asleep for the extraction and graft. I am wondering
if many people choose sedation for this. He is an oral surgeon (going
to the same one who I love) so I imagine he would do it under sedation
(I have to call and get a consult again). How much pain do most people
feel that evening and for the next few days? I am terrified and
walking around toothless, not smiling...people don't even see it when
I talk but I have learned to smile with my mouth closed. This is no
way to live, I am a pretty woman who takes care of herself and feel,
what's the sense of the nice clothes and everything else if I look
like a street junkie or poor person when I smile? This is getting
ridiculous, my postponing it because as you well know, it's another
wait after the implant. I just want to do this already. Please tell me
if it's very painful afterwards. Is that area more painful than if it
were another? Pardon me if I sound like a scared rabbit...I have had
gall bladder surgery, rhinoplasty, knee surgery but this terrifies me
more. Thanks.
Nowadays, placing a single implant like yours will take about 30
minutes total. Local anaesthesia is all that will be needed. It is
easier to numb up the edentulous site of #11 than the tooth #11
because the soft tissue and bone have far less innervation than a
tooth. If the ridge is adequate after healing all that is needed is to
place the implant in a flapless manner i.e without retracting a gum
flap. With this technique, I almost never hear of ANY post-surgical
discomfort. Honestly, the ONLY reason for sedation to place an implant
fixture in area #11 would be for emotional/psychological reasons. You
will be surprised at how simple the procedure will be and you probably
will wonder just why you were so concerned to begin with. Your
extraction and socket graft was more uncomfortable than the implant
placement will be. Just do it.
How much, ballpark, does this procedure cost these days? (Thinking back
a couple decades when the price tag exceeded $10,000 per tooth ... I'm
thinking the price must have come down as the procedure as become so
much more "mainstream".) I'm curious because I see advertisements that
make this procedure seem so "affordable" and I wonder if or how that can
be true when people may "need" multiple implants... or even just one.
Webby
[/quote:2135793d9b]
From my surgeons and in my office, it winds up between $3 and $4K/tooth
for uncomplicated cases.
The advertising waters are muddied by the bang-'em-out guys using
mini-implants as permanent implants. I hope many of these patients
don't wind up getting bitten in the ass. I had a lecture at my local
study group where we were in effect told that placing these minis is so
simple any monkey can do it. That's the kind of reasoning that gets us
into trouble, and I hope it doesn't happen this time (and it's why I
haven't touched a mini implant--at least not yet).
Steve |
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In article <MMCdnVcFxdvbsE_XnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>,
Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinmung at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote:e3fe55bc63]The Webby wrote:
In article
42c658cb-afef-49b4-bde5-6170c51a3b97 at (no spam) k33g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
tenthmed <tenthmed at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 8:07 pm, goldbanjo <goldba... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe some of you remember that I had tooth #11 removed in January. I
also had a bone graft. I have been putting off getting the implant
done out of fear of pain. I am scared of having this done awake, the
thought of them drilling into my bone, the thought of the injection in
the palate. I was asleep for the extraction and graft. I am wondering
if many people choose sedation for this. He is an oral surgeon (going
to the same one who I love) so I imagine he would do it under sedation
(I have to call and get a consult again). How much pain do most people
feel that evening and for the next few days? I am terrified and
walking around toothless, not smiling...people don't even see it when
I talk but I have learned to smile with my mouth closed. This is no
way to live, I am a pretty woman who takes care of herself and feel,
what's the sense of the nice clothes and everything else if I look
like a street junkie or poor person when I smile? This is getting
ridiculous, my postponing it because as you well know, it's another
wait after the implant. I just want to do this already. Please tell me
if it's very painful afterwards. Is that area more painful than if it
were another? Pardon me if I sound like a scared rabbit...I have had
gall bladder surgery, rhinoplasty, knee surgery but this terrifies me
more. Thanks.
Nowadays, placing a single implant like yours will take about 30
minutes total. Local anaesthesia is all that will be needed. It is
easier to numb up the edentulous site of #11 than the tooth #11
because the soft tissue and bone have far less innervation than a
tooth. If the ridge is adequate after healing all that is needed is to
place the implant in a flapless manner i.e without retracting a gum
flap. With this technique, I almost never hear of ANY post-surgical
discomfort. Honestly, the ONLY reason for sedation to place an implant
fixture in area #11 would be for emotional/psychological reasons. You
will be surprised at how simple the procedure will be and you probably
will wonder just why you were so concerned to begin with. Your
extraction and socket graft was more uncomfortable than the implant
placement will be. Just do it.
How much, ballpark, does this procedure cost these days? (Thinking back
a couple decades when the price tag exceeded $10,000 per tooth ... I'm
thinking the price must have come down as the procedure as become so
much more "mainstream".) I'm curious because I see advertisements that
make this procedure seem so "affordable" and I wonder if or how that can
be true when people may "need" multiple implants... or even just one.
Webby
From my surgeons and in my office, it winds up between $3 and $4K/tooth
for uncomplicated cases.
The advertising waters are muddied by the bang-'em-out guys using
mini-implants as permanent implants. I hope many of these patients
don't wind up getting bitten in the ass. I had a lecture at my local
study group where we were in effect told that placing these minis is so
simple any monkey can do it. That's the kind of reasoning that gets us
into trouble, and I hope it doesn't happen this time (and it's why I
haven't touched a mini implant--at least not yet).
Steve
[/quote:e3fe55bc63]
Thanks for your response. I don't think "people" (in the general patient
population) have a clue about this ... hence, my question.
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I think mini-implants are fine *as long as everyone understands what
they are paying for*.
Anchoring a lower denture for $2,000 instead of $5,000 is not a bad
service. Replacing a peg lateral without ortho might also be a
nice thing to do.
Making the patient believe these are the same as regular implants
is pretty lame, but everything can be abused.
If there is enough room, the rest of the teeth are in good shape,
and the patient can afford it, conventional implants are definitely
stronger and more predictable.
JMO,
D
[quote:a3b5bf74d2] From my surgeons and in my office, it winds up between $3 and $4K/tooth
for uncomplicated cases.
The advertising waters are muddied by the bang-'em-out guys using
mini-implants as permanent implants. I hope many of these patients
don't wind up getting bitten in the ass. I had a lecture at my local
study group where we were in effect told that placing these minis is so
simple any monkey can do it. That's the kind of reasoning that gets us
into trouble, and I hope it doesn't happen this time (and it's why I
haven't touched a mini implant--at least not yet).
Steve
Thanks for your response. I don't think "people" (in the general patient
population) have a clue about this ... hence, my question.
Webby[/quote:a3b5bf74d2] |
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