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| Mark Earnest... |
 Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:01 pm |
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When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently...
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang...
....we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light! |
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| Double-A... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:01 pm |
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On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:415df213d5]When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently...
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang...
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light!
[/quote:415df213d5]
We can only measure our speed relative to other objects in the space-
time in which we are embedded. So why do distant objects seem to be
receding from us at FTL? Because the space must flow!
Double-A |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:01 pm |
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On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:6cf2898cda]When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently...
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang...
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light!
[/quote:6cf2898cda]
Going fast is relative to whatever else is going fast, that's entirely
relative to whatever else is going fast, and so on. Your cosmic donut
with its donut-hole of supposedly nothing is as good as any
interpretation of our universe, but then this cosmic donut as
representing our universe is going somewhere extremely fast as well.
It's all relative.
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:01 pm |
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On Oct 6, 6:28 pm, Double-A <double... at (no spam) hush.com> wrote:
[quote:ce000178e9]On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently....
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang....
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light!
We can only measure our speed relative to other objects in the space-
time in which we are embedded. So why do distant objects seem to be
receding from us at FTL? Because the space must flow!
Double-A
[/quote:ce000178e9]
Apparently you're blueshift blinded by all of that kosher Big Bang
Light that you worship almost as much as your pecker.
~ BG |
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| Double-A... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:01 pm |
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On Oct 6, 6:50 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:2c8bd76a23]"Double-A" <double... at (no spam) hush.com> wrote in message
news:f72d33e6-5b89-4543-ad5f-b3138774139d at (no spam) m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently....
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of
the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang....
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light!
We can only measure our speed relative to other objects in the space-
time in which we are embedded.
**Finally we learn something! We are embedded in the space fabric!
That is why we cannot move faster than light...until we succeed in breaking
away from that fabric!
[/quote:2c8bd76a23]
Yes, that is what warp drive is.
[quote:2c8bd76a23] So why do distant objects seem to be
receding from us at FTL? Because the space must flow!
**It does. It flows outward from the ring of galaxies fleeing from the
universe's center.
[/quote:2c8bd76a23]
Yes, just as it flows inward into black holes.
Double-A |
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| Mark Earnest... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:47 pm |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8732a4a3-5bce-4a43-af8a-2045c3d189fd at (no spam) t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:529a427166]When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently...
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of
the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang...
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light!
[/quote:529a427166]
Going fast is relative to whatever else is going fast, that's entirely
relative to whatever else is going fast, and so on. Your cosmic donut
with its donut-hole of supposedly nothing is as good as any
interpretation of our universe, but then this cosmic donut as
representing our universe is going somewhere extremely fast as well.
It's all relative.
**Relative to the possibly stationary center of the universe, we are
quite possibly going at ten times the speed of light. |
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| Mark Earnest... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:50 pm |
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"Double-A" <double-a3 at (no spam) hush.com> wrote in message
news:f72d33e6-5b89-4543-ad5f-b3138774139d at (no spam) m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:766e065781]When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently...
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of
the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang...
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light!
[/quote:766e065781]
We can only measure our speed relative to other objects in the space-
time in which we are embedded.
**Finally we learn something! We are embedded in the space fabric!
That is why we cannot move faster than light...until we succeed in breaking
away from that fabric!
So why do distant objects seem to be
receding from us at FTL? Because the space must flow!
**It does. It flows outward from the ring of galaxies fleeing from the
universe's center. |
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| Mark Earnest... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:10 pm |
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"Double-A" <double-a3 at (no spam) hush.com> wrote in message
news:25947591-5ace-4371-9e80-ff742b572097 at (no spam) l31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 6, 6:50 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:bbc1e66a72]"Double-A" <double... at (no spam) hush.com> wrote in message
news:f72d33e6-5b89-4543-ad5f-b3138774139d at (no spam) m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with
a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of
the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away
currently...
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of
the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big
Bang...
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light!
We can only measure our speed relative to other objects in the space-
time in which we are embedded.
**Finally we learn something! We are embedded in the space fabric!
That is why we cannot move faster than light...until we succeed in
breaking
away from that fabric!
[/quote:bbc1e66a72]
Yes, that is what warp drive is.
[quote:bbc1e66a72]So why do distant objects seem to be
receding from us at FTL? Because the space must flow!
**It does. It flows outward from the ring of galaxies fleeing from the
universe's center.
[/quote:bbc1e66a72]
Yes, just as it flows inward into black holes.
**And just goes down the drain? |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:08 am |
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On Oct 6, 6:28 pm, Double-A <double... at (no spam) hush.com> wrote:
[quote:24329163a3]On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently....
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang....
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light!
We can only measure our speed relative to other objects in the space-
time in which we are embedded. So why do distant objects seem to be
receding from us at FTL? Because the space must flow!
Double-A
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Some/most are, while there's others that are headed nearly directly
towards us. As a local group of galaxies, we're all headed into the
Great Attractor at an average velocity of <750 km/sec, and that Great
Attractor really isn't all that far away. Go figure, as to why the BB
doesn't seem to apply to us.
~ BG |
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| Saul Levy... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:58 am |
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Wow, Mark, YOU ARE INSANE! lmfjao!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:01:18 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:1ea66ade3c]When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently...
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang...
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light![/quote:1ea66ade3c] |
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| G=EMC^2 Glazier... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:21 am |
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Mark Einstein and I do not like matter in the universe not going with SR
and GR Donut shape universe we have discussed. I see the universe at
this spacetime saddle shaped,and that shape goes best with my concave &
convex space theory. Fact is saddle shape is like a donut inside out.
It can have a hole in its center,and the hole created by a black hole
immersed there. That would make the structure like a galaxy. One could
even think all there is lay outside the black hole horizon where time
begins,and fusion takes place(stars) Where elements unite and become
compounds. Where planets like earth are created with me sitting on one
and typing this reply to you Mark It all fits O ya Bert |
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| G=EMC^2 Glazier... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:24 am |
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Double A Space flow is bad term Space inflate Good term. Think
inflating a balloon. Bert |
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| G=EMC^2 Glazier... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:34 am |
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Double a Stuff getting to close goes into a black hole. Stuff that is
moving far enough away curves,and this curving creates centrifugal force
a tiny bit greater than gravity. We live in this curvature and gravity
balancing act. I could add lots of thoughts right here(save them to
shorten post) Now when we see stuff say 8 billion LY away it seems to
all be red shifted,and my idea is my convex space has kicked in,and
Hubble told us the :Rest of the Story" Bert |
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| Double-A... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:28 pm |
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On Oct 7, 6:34 am, herbertglaz... at (no spam) webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote:b8214377b1]Double a Stuff getting to close goes into a black hole. Stuff that is
moving far enough away curves,and this curving creates centrifugal force
a tiny bit greater than gravity. We live in this curvature and gravity
balancing act. I could add lots of thoughts right here(save them to
shorten post) Now when we see stuff say 8 billion LY away it seems to
all be red shifted,and my idea is my convex space has kicked in,and
Hubble told us the :Rest of the Story" Bert
[/quote:b8214377b1]
See Jughead's Wolterian theory.
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| Double-A... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:37 pm |
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On Oct 7, 6:21 am, herbertglaz... at (no spam) webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote:cd4080e9f9]Mark Einstein and I do not like matter in the universe not going with SR
and GR Donut shape universe we have discussed. I see the universe at
this spacetime saddle shaped,and that shape goes best with my concave &
convex space theory. Fact is saddle shape is like a donut inside out.
It can have a hole in its center,and the hole created by a black hole
immersed there. That would make the structure like a galaxy. One could
even think all there is lay outside the black hole horizon where time
begins,and fusion takes place(stars) Where elements unite and become
compounds. Where planets like earth are created with me sitting on one
and typing this reply to you Mark It all fits O ya Bert
[/quote:cd4080e9f9]
Saddles are infinite curves. Only sphere's, hyperspheres, and donuts
can come out of big bangs.
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