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| BradGuth... |
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On Oct 11, 3:02 pm, "Monty Stremmer" <you're joking?> wrote:
[quote:256dee603a]BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 10, 2:53 pm, "Monty Stremmer" <you're joking?> wrote:
Mark Earnest wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8732a4a3-5bce-4a43-af8a-2045c3d189fd at (no spam) t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com....
On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward
from every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut
with a very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center
of the explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away
currently... they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens
of billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the
center of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big
Bang... ...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of
light!
Going fast is relative to whatever else is going fast, that's
entirely relative to whatever else is going fast, and so on. Your
cosmic donut with its donut-hole of supposedly nothing is as good
as any interpretation of our universe, but then this cosmic donut as
representing our universe is going somewhere extremely fast as well.
It's all relative.
**Relative to the possibly stationary center of the universe, we are
quite possibly going at ten times the speed of light.
We humans use light to see. If something was moving faster
than the speed of light, we would not be able to see it.
We can't see or otherwise measure the velocity of gravity, or for that
matter we can't humanly see 99.9999% of the electromagnetic spectrum
of photons either.
In other words, the vast majority of our universe is as invisible/
stealth as Muslim WMD, and yet we act/react as though we know
everything.
~ BG
So, are you agreeing with me?
[/quote:256dee603a]
Absolutely. Not only couldn't we see it, but we also couldn't
otherwise detect whatever is moving away, towards or past us at any
velocity above c.
Everything relative to us that's c+ is simply invisible, and otherwise
undetectable. Of course gravity seems to be well above the velocity
of c, and we obviously detect that weak force of gravity, perhaps
because it's somewhat quantum loop string like and thus never
beginning or ending.
~ BG |
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| Monty Stremmer... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:02 pm |
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BradGuth wrote:
[quote:e9172cea39]On Oct 10, 2:53 pm, "Monty Stremmer" <you're joking?> wrote:
Mark Earnest wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8732a4a3-5bce-4a43-af8a-2045c3d189fd at (no spam) t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward
from every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut
with a very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center
of the explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away
currently... they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens
of billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the
center of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big
Bang... ...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of
light!
Going fast is relative to whatever else is going fast, that's
entirely relative to whatever else is going fast, and so on. Your
cosmic donut with its donut-hole of supposedly nothing is as good
as any interpretation of our universe, but then this cosmic donut as
representing our universe is going somewhere extremely fast as well.
It's all relative.
**Relative to the possibly stationary center of the universe, we are
quite possibly going at ten times the speed of light.
We humans use light to see. If something was moving faster
than the speed of light, we would not be able to see it.
We can't see or otherwise measure the velocity of gravity, or for that
matter we can't humanly see 99.9999% of the electromagnetic spectrum
of photons either.
In other words, the vast majority of our universe is as invisible/
stealth as Muslim WMD, and yet we act/react as though we know
everything.
~ BG
[/quote:e9172cea39]
So, are you agreeing with me? |
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| Monty Stremmer... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:50 pm |
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Mark Earnest wrote:
[quote:a67c55dc00]When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward
from every point.
snip[/quote:a67c55dc00]
Does the 'big bang theory' postulate that the so-called expanding
universe is creating space - or was space there all along? |
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| Mark Earnest... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:15 pm |
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"Monty Stremmer" <you're joking?> wrote in message
news:W7ednc45n-SK_E_XnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
[quote:6db6c04684]Mark Earnest wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward
from every point.
snip
Does the 'big bang theory' postulate that the so-called expanding
universe is creating space - or was space there all along?
[/quote:6db6c04684]
There is only the universe and what I call the the outer limits...the
infinite
zone of nothingness that the universe pushes itself into.
It is kind of like the holder of the universe, and that is about the only
function it serves. |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:03 pm |
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On Oct 11, 6:15 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:903a76157d]"Monty Stremmer" <you're joking?> wrote in messagenews:W7ednc45n-SK_E_XnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward
from every point.
snip
Does the 'big bang theory' postulate that the so-called expanding
universe is creating space - or was space there all along?
There is only the universe and what I call the the outer limits...the
infinite
zone of nothingness that the universe pushes itself into.
It is kind of like the holder of the universe, and that is about the only
function it serves.
[/quote:903a76157d]
What happens when our universe bumps into or merges with another
universe?
Since the volume of our universe is more than 99.9999999999% empty
(1e-12:1 empty), perhaps nothing happens.
~ BG |
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| Nightcrawler... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:57 pm |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message news:bb2ddc44-98a5-40e3-80de-46a434aa7303 at (no spam) x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
[quote:1b0c4976b0]What happens when our universe bumps into or merges with another
universe?
Since the volume of our universe is more than 99.9999999999% empty
(1e-12:1 empty), perhaps nothing happens.
[/quote:1b0c4976b0]
There are pictures of galaxies merging. As for collisions and such,
I'd say that there wouldn't be a difference between the two. How
the two combining would change the current mechanics of the universe
is another story.
Essentially zero collisions, but a change in the overall mass that,
dependent on the evolution of the other universe, would affect the
current expansion. Think of a smaller universe. that has the same
mass as our universe, merging with our universe. Or, vice versa. |
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| Saul Levy... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:11 pm |
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That's what I've been saying for YEARS, GOOFYSHIT! lmfjao!
NOTHING'S HAPPENING!
Saul Levy
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:03:29 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
<bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:dcfd689d98]Since the volume of our universe is more than 99.9999999999% empty
(1e-12:1 empty), perhaps nothing happens.
~ BG[/quote:dcfd689d98] |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:57 pm |
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On Oct 12, 11:57 am, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde... at (no spam) dirtcheap.net> wrote:
[quote]"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:bb2ddc44-98a5-40e3-80de-46a434aa7303 at (no spam) x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
What happens when our universe bumps into or merges with another
universe?
Since the volume of our universe is more than 99.9999999999% empty
(1e-12:1 empty), perhaps nothing happens.
There are pictures of galaxies merging. As for collisions and such,
I'd say that there wouldn't be a difference between the two. How
the two combining would change the current mechanics of the universe
is another story.
Essentially zero collisions, but a change in the overall mass that,
dependent on the evolution of the other universe, would affect the
current expansion. Think of a smaller universe. that has the same
mass as our universe, merging with our universe. Or, vice versa.
[/quote]
Yes, I favor the multiverse, blueshifts and cosmic mergers.
However, if Earth is getting impacted and obviously our Selene/moon
and other planets have been seriously impacted, it seems that galactic
mergers are anything but inert, tame or passive encounters with
nothing running into anything else.
Whatever got released from Sirius B is still out there, except for
whatever our nearby solar system snagged.
~ BG |
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| Saul Levy... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:29 pm |
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That's your FIRST ERROR, Mark! It's YOU who are INSANE! lmfjao!
Claiming anyone else is, is just...INSANE!
Even INSANE scientists (I've known a few) have NEVER COME UP WITH
ANYTHING USEFUL.
Saul Levy
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:40:25 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]Saul, you have to be insane to understand anything, to be quite direct with
you. That is because the WORLD is insane, IMHO.
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:ni0pc5114aveeegcidh4nahjl7kq6dotut at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Wow, Mark, YOU ARE INSANE! lmfjao!
Saul Levy[/quote] |
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| studio... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:30 pm |
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On Oct 12, 2:03 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 11, 6:15 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"Monty Stremmer" <you're joking?> wrote in messagenews:W7ednc45n-SK_E_XnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward
from every point.
snip
Does the 'big bang theory' postulate that the so-called expanding
universe is creating space - or was space there all along?
[/quote]
That's exactly what it postulates.
Space is different than matter.
Space expanded slightly faster than the speed of light and other
matter.
Lots of questions remain to be answered as to the exact nature of
space/time, gravity, dark matter, dark energy and probably other forms
of matter that are only loosely defined and understood at present if
not unknown completely.
[quote]There is only the universe and what I call the the outer limits...the
infinite
zone of nothingness that the universe pushes itself into.
It is kind of like the holder of the universe, and that is about the only
function it serves.
[/quote]
aka "the Bulk".
[quote]What happens when our universe bumps into or merges with another
universe?
Since the volume of our universe is more than 99.9999999999% empty
(1e-12:1 empty), perhaps nothing happens.
[/quote]
It's probably a rare event inside the Bulk, but when it does happen it
might be from different universes that have:
1. different components or matter that repels each other. Different
polarization of matter perhaps, or plain unknown matter, or space/time/
dimensions that contradicts interaction between the two.
2. the edges of universes may have some unknown type of film tension
which makes them bounce off each other
3. made from anti-components that vaporize each other upon contact in
a small region of space before moving off again
4. may just become part of each others makeup
But I doubt it happens very often.
My favorite method of explanation of what the universe is, is that
it's like an individual bubble in glass of soda water.
The bubbles grow, but never actually consume another bubble, and may
not even ever bump into another bubble.
But that's just a simple explanation.
All just wild theories at present no doubt.
As another poster pointed out, the current evidence points to a flat
universe. So if you could imagine a flat bubble... |
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| Saul Levy... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:32 pm |
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So, what happens in your toilet seat, Mark? lmfjao!
Yeah, I really care...
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Saul Levy
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:47:05 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]You're not very bright, are you?
All you can come up with is the same tired
old things day after day, month after month.
And you are still fascinated by what happens in the
toilet seat.
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:e8urc5ph4fdr0freg67en9lqvmnh6phjse at (no spam) 4ax.com...
I believe that was SHITU, El CRAPO! lmfjao!
They had to be SHIT since they didn't THROW YOU OUT ON YOUR ASS!
Your STUPIDITY is PIGSHIT CLASSIC!
Saul Levy[/quote] |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:02 pm |
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On Oct 30, 9:30 pm, studio <tl... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 12, 2:03 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 11, 6:15 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"Monty Stremmer" <you're joking?> wrote in messagenews:W7ednc45n-SK_E_XnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward
from every point.
snip
Does the 'big bang theory' postulate that the so-called expanding
universe is creating space - or was space there all along?
That's exactly what it postulates.
Space is different than matter.
Space expanded slightly faster than the speed of light and other
matter.
Lots of questions remain to be answered as to the exact nature of
space/time, gravity, dark matter, dark energy and probably other forms
of matter that are only loosely defined and understood at present if
not unknown completely.
There is only the universe and what I call the the outer limits...the
infinite
zone of nothingness that the universe pushes itself into.
It is kind of like the holder of the universe, and that is about the only
function it serves.
aka "the Bulk".
What happens when our universe bumps into or merges with another
universe?
Since the volume of our universe is more than 99.9999999999% empty
(1e-12:1 empty), perhaps nothing happens.
It's probably a rare event inside the Bulk, but when it does happen it
might be from different universes that have:
1. different components or matter that repels each other. Different
polarization of matter perhaps, or plain unknown matter, or space/time/
dimensions that contradicts interaction between the two.
2. the edges of universes may have some unknown type of film tension
which makes them bounce off each other
3. made from anti-components that vaporize each other upon contact in
a small region of space before moving off again
4. may just become part of each others makeup
But I doubt it happens very often.
My favorite method of explanation of what the universe is, is that
it's like an individual bubble in glass of soda water.
The bubbles grow, but never actually consume another bubble, and may
not even ever bump into another bubble.
But that's just a simple explanation.
All just wild theories at present no doubt.
As another poster pointed out, the current evidence points to a flat
universe. So if you could imagine a flat bubble...
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Why don't we just imagine that nothing outside of our terrestrial
environment matters, or even exist?
Isn't that what 99.9% of Usenet (especially the faith-based types)
want everyone to believe?
~ BG |
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| studio... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:20 pm |
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On Oct 31, 2:02 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Why don't we just imagine that nothing outside of our terrestrial
environment matters, or even exist?
[/quote]
Because that's what unimaginative is; and how it was practiced for
many millennium prior to finding out that the earth revolved around
the sun, and that the sun wasn't the center of the universe.
But for now, we have no choice anyway but to explore what we know in
this universe.
It's big enough, it'll keep humans busy for quite a long time. |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:25 pm |
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On Oct 31, 5:20 pm, studio <tl... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 2:02 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Why don't we just imagine that nothing outside of our terrestrial
environment matters, or even exist?
Because that's what unimaginative is; and how it was practiced for
many millennium prior to finding out that the earth revolved around
the sun, and that the sun wasn't the center of the universe.
But for now, we have no choice anyway but to explore what we know in
this universe.
It's big enough, it'll keep humans busy for quite a long time.
[/quote]
But we don't have "quite a long time". How about a thousand and some
odd years?
~ BG |
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| studio... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:16 am |
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On Nov 1, 12:25 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]But we don't have "quite a long time". How about a thousand and some
odd years?
[/quote]
I don't know how you come to that time frame.
I seriously doubt that the human race will end in a thousand and some
odd years...but it's not entirely impossible either.
But back to your original assumption:
[quote]Why don't we just imagine that nothing outside of our terrestrial
environment matters, or even exist?
[/quote]
Then a thousand some odd years shouldn't matter to you either. |
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