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“Best observations to date” tell us the cosmos has no curvature at all.
In 3-D, across giga·light·years, it's flat i.e.
it's Euclidian everywhere at any snapshot in cosmological time.
In 4-D, over giga·years, it's hyperbolic because
3-D space accrues exponentially as its “fuel” gets spent,
thinning out its gravitational field (a.k.a. space·time). |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:43 pm |
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On Oct 7, 7:39pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:185fdb2d99]"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglaz... at (no spam) webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18731-4ACC95D8-213 at (no spam) storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
Mark Einstein and I do not like matter in the universe not going with SR
and GR Donut shape universe we have discussed. I see the universe at
this spacetime saddle shaped,and that shape goes best with my concave &
convex space theory. Fact is saddle shape is like a donut inside out..
It can have a hole in its center,and the hole created by a black hole
immersed there. That would make the structure like a galaxy. One could
even think all there is lay outside the black hole horizon where time
begins,and fusion takes place(stars) Where elements unite and become
compounds. Where planets like earth are created with me sitting on one
and typing this reply to you Mark It all fits O ya Bert
Bert, how could the universe possibly be saddle shaped if it started
from a single point and exploded outward?
Maybe I was premature in saying the universe is shaped like a donut.
Maybe it is shaped like a hollow ball, that starts as a point, some 10
or so billion years ago, and expands into the firmamanet gradually.
When we detect all nearby galaxies going away from us, faster as they are
further away, this could mean that in our cross section of the rubber of the
ball, matter is still exploding still, and we happen to be caught in one
middle of it.
Saddle shaped universe?
Sounds like maybe too many Texan mathematicians gone out to lunch.
[/quote:185fdb2d99]
Are you blueshift blind?
~ BG |
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| Mark Earnest... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:39 pm |
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"G=EMC^2 Glazier" <herbertglazier at (no spam) webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18731-4ACC95D8-213 at (no spam) storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
[quote:74d63bdfb7]Mark Einstein and I do not like matter in the universe not going with SR
and GR Donut shape universe we have discussed. I see the universe at
this spacetime saddle shaped,and that shape goes best with my concave &
convex space theory. Fact is saddle shape is like a donut inside out.
It can have a hole in its center,and the hole created by a black hole
immersed there. That would make the structure like a galaxy. One could
even think all there is lay outside the black hole horizon where time
begins,and fusion takes place(stars) Where elements unite and become
compounds. Where planets like earth are created with me sitting on one
and typing this reply to you Mark It all fits O ya Bert
[/quote:74d63bdfb7]
Bert, how could the universe possibly be saddle shaped if it started
from a single point and exploded outward?
Maybe I was premature in saying the universe is shaped like a donut.
Maybe it is shaped like a hollow ball, that starts as a point, some 10
or so billion years ago, and expands into the firmamanet gradually.
When we detect all nearby galaxies going away from us, faster as they are
further away, this could mean that in our cross section of the rubber of the
ball, matter is still exploding still, and we happen to be caught in one
middle of it.
Saddle shaped universe?
Sounds like maybe too many Texan mathematicians gone out to lunch. |
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| Mark Earnest... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:40 pm |
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Saul, you have to be insane to understand anything, to be quite direct with
you. That is because the WORLD is insane, IMHO.
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:ni0pc5114aveeegcidh4nahjl7kq6dotut at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote:652708916e]Wow, Mark, YOU ARE INSANE! lmfjao!
Saul Levy
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:01:18 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently...
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of
the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang...
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light![/quote:652708916e] |
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| Saul Levy... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:57 pm |
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Not just INSANE, Mark, BUT VERY STUPID LIKE YOU ARE. lmfjao!
You education was a TOTAL JOKE!
Saul Levy
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:40:25 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:87c0e60ee3]Saul, you have to be insane to understand anything, to be quite direct with
you. That is because the WORLD is insane, IMHO.
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:ni0pc5114aveeegcidh4nahjl7kq6dotut at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Wow, Mark, YOU ARE INSANE! lmfjao!
Saul Levy[/quote:87c0e60ee3] |
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| Mark Earnest... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:27 am |
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"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:7nvqc5teffbo1ivcjsmeiiqnt64vtv1cpp at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote:9c7238e38e]Not just INSANE, Mark, BUT VERY STUPID LIKE YOU ARE. lmfjao!
You education was a TOTAL JOKE!
[/quote:9c7238e38e]
What university did I go to? |
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| G=EMC^2 Glazier... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:24 am |
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Double A Yes BB stated as a sphere(ball) but after 22 billion years it
has evolved into "saddle shape" Its ultimate shape will be flat,and will
get infinitely flat over trillions of years. This is all my further out
from the box thoughts by far ever taken by me. I will call it "the three
faces of the universe" Bert |
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| G=EMC^2 Glazier... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:32 am |
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Mark Reality is shape of the universe in this spacetime is ????
That's four possible shapes You pick donut coming out of a ball (point)
from the BB So be it. Its your universe,and that is the way you see it.
Funny thing is its a good shape,but not in the books?? Imperial
thinkers give it 3 shapes and donut is not one of them. go figure Bert |
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| Mark Earnest... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:47 pm |
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You're not very bright, are you?
All you can come up with is the same tired
old things day after day, month after month.
And you are still fascinated by what happens in the
toilet seat.
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:e8urc5ph4fdr0freg67en9lqvmnh6phjse at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote:a412b46cba]I believe that was SHITU, El CRAPO! lmfjao!
They had to be SHIT since they didn't THROW YOU OUT ON YOUR ASS!
Your STUPIDITY is PIGSHIT CLASSIC!
Saul Levy
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 01:27:40 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:7nvqc5teffbo1ivcjsmeiiqnt64vtv1cpp at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Not just INSANE, Mark, BUT VERY STUPID LIKE YOU ARE. lmfjao!
You education was a TOTAL JOKE!
What university did I go to?[/quote:a412b46cba] |
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| Saul Levy... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:44 am |
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Oh, please TELL ME what happens IN A TOILET SEAT, Mark! lmfjao!
I never really thought about that, YOU ANAL FOOL!
BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Now the SHIT IS FLYING!
Saul Levy
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:47:05 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:bb5b40fc72]You're not very bright, are you?
All you can come up with is the same tired
old things day after day, month after month.
And you are still fascinated by what happens in the
toilet seat.
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:e8urc5ph4fdr0freg67en9lqvmnh6phjse at (no spam) 4ax.com...
I believe that was SHITU, El CRAPO! lmfjao!
They had to be SHIT since they didn't THROW YOU OUT ON YOUR ASS!
Your STUPIDITY is PIGSHIT CLASSIC!
Saul Levy
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 01:27:40 -0500, "Mark Earnest"
gmearnest at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:7nvqc5teffbo1ivcjsmeiiqnt64vtv1cpp at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Not just INSANE, Mark, BUT VERY STUPID LIKE YOU ARE. lmfjao!
You education was a TOTAL JOKE!
What university did I go to?[/quote:bb5b40fc72] |
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| Monty Stremmer... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:53 pm |
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Mark Earnest wrote:
[quote:c1f126e0f5]"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8732a4a3-5bce-4a43-af8a-2045c3d189fd at (no spam) t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward
from every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut
with a very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center
of the explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away
currently... they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center
of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big
Bang... ...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of
light!
Going fast is relative to whatever else is going fast, that's entirely
relative to whatever else is going fast, and so on. Your cosmic donut
with its donut-hole of supposedly nothing is as good as any
interpretation of our universe, but then this cosmic donut as
representing our universe is going somewhere extremely fast as well.
It's all relative.
**Relative to the possibly stationary center of the universe, we are
quite possibly going at ten times the speed of light.
[/quote:c1f126e0f5]
We humans use light to see. If something was moving faster
than the speed of light, we would not be able to see it. |
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| Mark Earnest... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:44 pm |
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"Monty Stremmer" <you're joking?> wrote in message
news:UNqdnSYGY_Lbn0zXnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
[quote:85ca03534a]Mark Earnest wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8732a4a3-5bce-4a43-af8a-2045c3d189fd at (no spam) t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward
from every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut
with a very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center
of the explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away
currently... they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center
of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big
Bang... ...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light!
Going fast is relative to whatever else is going fast, that's entirely
relative to whatever else is going fast, and so on. Your cosmic donut
with its donut-hole of supposedly nothing is as good as any
interpretation of our universe, but then this cosmic donut as
representing our universe is going somewhere extremely fast as well.
It's all relative.
**Relative to the possibly stationary center of the universe, we are
quite possibly going at ten times the speed of light.
We humans use light to see. If something was moving faster
than the speed of light, we would not be able to see it.
[/quote:85ca03534a]
Sure we would, because the light would continue happening from whatever
source we are using. |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:02 am |
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On Oct 6, 6:47pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:6176dd486b]"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8732a4a3-5bce-4a43-af8a-2045c3d189fd at (no spam) t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward from
every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut with a
very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center of the
explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away currently....
they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center of
the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big Bang....
...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of light!
Going fast is relative to whatever else is going fast, that's entirely
relative to whatever else is going fast, and so on. Your cosmic donut
with its donut-hole of supposedly nothing is as good as any
interpretation of our universe, but then this cosmic donut as
representing our universe is going somewhere extremely fast as well.
It's all relative.
**Relative to the possibly stationary center of the universe, we are
quite possibly going at ten times the speed of light.
[/quote:6176dd486b]
The extremely weak force of gravity certainly seems to function at
something faster than the speed of light.
Planck length (minimal photon):
This being extremely small: 1.616e-35 meter (possibly multiplied by (2
pi) 6.283 or at least similar to the golden ratio of 1.618). Seems
the Planck Golden Rule has something more valuable than anything of
what an extremely wussy though FTL graviton has to offer.
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:06 am |
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On Oct 10, 2:53pm, "Monty Stremmer" <you're joking?> wrote:
[quote:c6248251bd]Mark Earnest wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8732a4a3-5bce-4a43-af8a-2045c3d189fd at (no spam) t11g2000prh.googlegroups.com....
On Oct 6, 6:01 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
When you consider the Big Bang, all matter moves outward from a
point...until...it gets far enough away, and starts moving outward
from every point.
This means...that the universe must be shaped somewhat like a donut
with a very, very big hole.
You didn't imagine that there would still be stars near the center
of the explosion, did you?
So...if we see galaxies tens of billions of light years away
currently... they all must be in the bread of the donut.
And the distance to the center of the donut must be well over tens of
billions of light years: maybe hundreds of billions!
So...if we moved hundreds of billions of light years from the center
of the
universe in the ten billion years or so it has been since the Big
Bang... ...we must be traveling well over ten times the speed of
light!
Going fast is relative to whatever else is going fast, that's entirely
relative to whatever else is going fast, and so on. Your cosmic donut
with its donut-hole of supposedly nothing is as good as any
interpretation of our universe, but then this cosmic donut as
representing our universe is going somewhere extremely fast as well.
It's all relative.
**Relative to the possibly stationary center of the universe, we are
quite possibly going at ten times the speed of light.
We humans use light to see. If something was moving faster
than the speed of light, we would not be able to see it.
[/quote:c6248251bd]
We can't see or otherwise measure the velocity of gravity, or for that
matter we can't humanly see 99.9999% of the electromagnetic spectrum
of photons either.
In other words, the vast majority of our universe is as invisible/
stealth as Muslim WMD, and yet we act/react as though we know
everything.
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:15 am |
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On Oct 8, 5:32am, herbertglaz... at (no spam) webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote:410b2239df]Mark Reality is shape of the universe in this spacetime is ????
That's four possible shapes You pick donut coming out of a ball (point)
from the BB So be it. Its your universe,and that is the way you see it..
Funny thing is its a good shape,but not in the books?? Imperial
thinkers give it 3 shapes and donut is not one of them. go figure Bert
[/quote:410b2239df]
But within the regular laws of physics, at least a cosmic donut seems
balanced and otherwise viable enough, with little if anything
remaining in the kosher BB donut hole. At least the donut universe
explains why so much is in blueshift, and why so much (including our
Milky Way) is headed into the nearby Great Attractor (God's toilet).
~ BG |
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