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| OM... |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:00 pm |
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OM <om at (no spam) sci.space.history> wrote:
:...Well, here we go again.
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:http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/21191757/detail.html
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Yep. Obama is interested in stimulating all parts of the economy
except engineering (what with engineers being non-union and all).
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man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
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| Val Kraut... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:00 am |
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Let's put it in complete persepctive -
"America has to find a way to encourasge more students to major in Math,
Science, and Engineering"
"We need longer school hours to compete with the rest of the world (that
actually values education)"
"We have to save the high salary positions and Million Dollar Bonuses for
banks and investment firms even if it costs hundreds of Billions of Tax
Dollars"
Russia, India, China, Japan ..... all have viable space programs - at this
point we have confusion.
Our approach - underfund NASA and Constellation, and put the folks we
actually did convince to become technical types out of work.
So now say you're in high school selecting a college major - what would you
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| Damien Valentine... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:51 am |
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. The article says:
"United Space Alliance, a private company that employs many shuttle
workers, will lay off 277 people in the coming weeks."
No mention of President Obama, or even anybody in NASA. I'm not
saying it can't possibly be their fault, but why would you think it is? |
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| jacob navia... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:11 am |
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Fred J. McCall a écrit :
[quote:08bcb0fbbf]OM <om at (no spam) sci.space.history> wrote:
:...Well, here we go again.
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:http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/21191757/detail.html
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Yep. Obama is interested in stimulating all parts of the economy
except engineering (what with engineers being non-union and all).
[/quote:08bcb0fbbf]
Now this republicans try to ignore that it was Mr Bush that
decided to close the shuttle program. The blame will be
put into Obama since in 10 months in office he didn't
have the time to change Mr Bush policies in ALL domains. |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:46 am |
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On Oct 4, 8:00 am, "Val Kraut" <marv... at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote:
[quote:e2a59451f8]Let's put it in complete persepctive -
"America has to find a way to encourasge more students to major in Math,
Science, and Engineering"
"We need longer school hours to compete with the rest of the world (that
actually values education)"
"We have to save the high salary positions and Million Dollar Bonuses for
banks and investment firms even if it costs hundreds of Billions of Tax
Dollars"
Russia, India, China, Japan ..... all have viable space programs - at this
point we have confusion.
Our approach - underfund NASA and Constellation, and put the folks we
actually did convince to become technical types out of work.
So now say you're in high school selecting a college major - what would you
do.
[/quote:e2a59451f8]
I agree with more basic education in math, science, physics and
truthful history, but where were you as of decades ago, and what if
anything were you saying back then?
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:57 am |
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On Oct 4, 11:17 am, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:fb0acd41cb]jacob navia <ja... at (no spam) nospam.org> wrote:
:Fred J. McCall a écrit ::> OM <o... at (no spam) sci.space.history> wrote:
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:> :...Well, here we go again.
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:> :http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/21191757/detail.html
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:> Yep. Obama is interested in stimulating all parts of the economy
:> except engineering (what with engineers being non-union and all).
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:Now this republicans try to ignore that it was Mr Bush that
:decided to close the shuttle program. The blame will be
:put into Obama since in 10 months in office he didn't
:have the time to change Mr Bush policies in ALL domains.
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But it was Mr Obama who has elected to shut down all follow on
programs, which is what puts people out of work.
He had time for that one.
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"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain
[/quote:fb0acd41cb]
And you have no problems paying half again as much it taxes in order
to prevent that layoff from happening? (because if any one group gets
to stay, they all get to stay on)
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:02 pm |
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On Oct 4, 12:51 pm, Damien Valentine <valen... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:13fec04201]Whoa, whoa, whoa. The article says:
"United Space Alliance, a private company that employs many shuttle
workers, will lay off 277 people in the coming weeks."
No mention of President Obama, or even anybody in NASA. I'm not
saying it can't possibly be their fault, but why would you think it is?
[/quote:13fec04201]
Because our Fred J. McCall isn't taking any responsibility for what
gave us this kind of fiasco in the first place. In other words, even
knowing the outcome, it seems they'd do it allover again if given the
opportunity, changing nothing.
~ BG |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:17 pm |
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jacob navia <jacob at (no spam) nospam.org> wrote:
:Fred J. McCall a écrit :
:> OM <om at (no spam) sci.space.history> wrote:
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:> :...Well, here we go again.
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:> :http://www.wesh.com/cnn-news/21191757/detail.html
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:> Yep. Obama is interested in stimulating all parts of the economy
:> except engineering (what with engineers being non-union and all).
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:Now this republicans try to ignore that it was Mr Bush that
:decided to close the shuttle program. The blame will be
:put into Obama since in 10 months in office he didn't
:have the time to change Mr Bush policies in ALL domains.
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But it was Mr Obama who has elected to shut down all follow on
programs, which is what puts people out of work.
He had time for that one.
--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:12 pm |
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Damien Valentine <valends3 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
:Whoa, whoa, whoa. The article says:
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:"United Space Alliance, a private company that employs many shuttle
:workers, will lay off 277 people in the coming weeks."
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:No mention of President Obama, or even anybody in NASA. I'm not
:saying it can't possibly be their fault, but why would you think it is?
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So why was he blaming Bush and why didn't you speak up then?
Or is this just The One Can Do No Wrong?
[Shuttle workers were supposed to get transitioned to the new system
(which we probably won't be doing). Shuttle flight rates are no
different now than they were 6 months ago, so how do you blame the end
of the Shuttle (which hasn't happened yet) for this? And is it worth
$4 billion/year to keep these things flying?]
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"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn |
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| Damien Valentine... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:08 am |
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On Oct 4, 6:12 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:191398177a]So why was he blaming Bush and why didn't you speak up then?
[/quote:191398177a]
Why is *who* blaming Bush? I don't see his name in my post. And I
don't see it in the article either, or in the OP.
Also, hey, way to not answer my questions.
[quote:191398177a][Shuttle workers were supposed to get transitioned to the new system
(which we probably won't be doing). Shuttle flight rates are no
different now than they were 6 months ago, so how do you blame the end
of the Shuttle (which hasn't happened yet) for this? And is it worth
$4 billion/year to keep these things flying?]
[/quote:191398177a]
Where did this come from? I asked why you thought Obama was connected
to this private company's layoff decisions, not claiming that the
Space Shuttle was worth $4 billion a year. |
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| jacob navia... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:54 pm |
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Damien Valentine a écrit :
[quote:2a0d0446fe]I asked why you thought Obama was connected
to this private company's layoff decisions, not claiming that the
Space Shuttle was worth $4 billion a year.
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Becasue after they lost the elections republicans will blame Obama
for everything under the sun, layoffs included. |
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| jonathan... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:35 pm |
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"kT" <cosmic at (no spam) lifeform.org> wrote in message
news:OBwym.37638$Bl2.37082 at (no spam) newsfe14.iad...
[quote:e6bc872223]jonathan wrote:
And make America the next energy 'Saudi Arabia' for this century.
Ending our reliance on dwindling fossil fuels, ending wars over oil
and providing the ultimate solution to Global Warming.
Not to mention making one hell of weapon system.
Forcing international involvement.
Ant colonies across the globe will unite to defeat the giant solar powered
magnifying glass. Evil humans will be enslaved and assimilated!
[/quote:e6bc872223]
That's probably a more realistic prediction than this latest Hollywood 'Vision'
of the near future.
2012
'Never before has a date in history been so significant
to so many cultures."
http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/
[quote:e6bc872223]Jonathan
s
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:42 pm |
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Stop wasting my time with the artful trimming. We're done.
Damien Valentine <valends3 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
:On Oct 4, 6:12 pm, Fred J. McCall <fjmcc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
:> So why was he blaming Bush and why didn't you speak up then?
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:Why is *who* blaming Bush? I don't see his name in my post. And I
:don't see it in the article either, or in the OP.
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:Also, hey, way to not answer my questions.
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:> [Shuttle workers were supposed to get transitioned to the new system
:> (which we probably won't be doing). Shuttle flight rates are no
:> different now than they were 6 months ago, so how do you blame the end
:> of the Shuttle (which hasn't happened yet) for this? And is it worth
:> $4 billion/year to keep these things flying?]
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:Where did this come from? I asked why you thought Obama was connected
:to this private company's layoff decisions, not claiming that the
:Space Shuttle was worth $4 billion a year. |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:50 pm |
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jacob navia <jacob at (no spam) nospam.org> wrote:
:Damien Valentine a écrit :
:> I asked why you thought Obama was connected
:> to this private company's layoff decisions, not claiming that the
:> Space Shuttle was worth $4 billion a year.
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:Becasue after they lost the elections republicans will blame Obama
:for everything under the sun, layoffs included.
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Gee, the Democrats have held Congress for almost three years now and
the White House for the better part of a year. How long do you think
the "it's all the Republicans' fault" line is going to play?
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"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine |
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