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| Peter Bowditch... |
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"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
[quote:83795276c2]"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname at (no spam) ratbags.com> wrote in message news:a7r9d5h8l0qa84iiu2mqfnd3iqstpp9itt at (no spam) 4ax.com...
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname at (no spam) ratbags.com> wrote in message news:cp27d5d3clv6qvit0jjce2vn4mblch42s8 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
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'Although homeopathy is not mentioned anywhere in the article, the
researchers used aqueous solutions that were agitated and serially diluted
(the researchers note that the solutions were "strongly agitated" and that
this step was "critical for the generation of signals").
..'
http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,134
Citation please, and no, Dana Ullman saying something does not make it
so.
http://lucmontagnierfoundation.org/montagnier/article-26-electromagnetic-signals-are-produced-by-aqueous-nanostructures-derived-from-bacterial-dna
Just as I thought. Nothing to do with homeopathy except in the
diseased minds of some true believers.
'The entire process of making a Homeopathic medicine consists of the following steps:
Selection of raw material
Trituration of raw material if insoluble in water or alcohol (Grinding with mortar and pestle)
Preparation of liquid potencies by dilution and succussion
..'
http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/hahnemann_labs_preparation.html
"Those who wish to appear wise among fools among the wise seem foolish."
- Marcus Fabius Quintilian (c. 35 - 95)
Like I said, the Montagnier work had nothing to do with homeopathy.
Thank you for confirming my opinion.
LOL!!!!!!!!!
[/quote:83795276c2]
Exactly! It is laughable that anybody could consider that the
Montaigner work has anything to do with homeopathy, let alone it
validating the nonsense.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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| O.pearl... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:32 am |
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[quote:d012f6bcc8]On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:24:26 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:dh69d5prl1oe4ho6rhdqhhfb4ih4tt1tni at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:40:04 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:tah6d5l2kmlgdkti43at0sca1mi7uj913p at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:35:50 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname at (no spam) ratbags.com> wrote in message news:j8g4d5pr3j6n2ihg5s6tmo2po2evolb2j9 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
'2008 Nobel Prize Winner Proves Homeopathic Remedies Are Active
Posted on September 16, 2009 by homeopathyresource
Professor Luc Montagnier is a French virologist and joint recipient with
Françoise Barré-Sinoussi and Harald zur Hausen of the 2008 Nobel Prize
in Physiology or Medicine for his co-discovery of the Human Immunodeficiency
Virus (HIV).
He and his team of researchers have been doing rigorous experiments using
homeopathically prepared biological substances. They have conclusively shown
that homeopathically prepared biological substances give off electromagnetic
waves and therefore have effects.
"The researchers also noted that one experiment found significant effects from
dilutions as high as 10(-1 (equivalent to 18X). The EM signature changed
with dilution levels but was unaffected by the initial concentration and remained
even after the remaining DNA fragments were destroyed by chemical agents.
Of additional interest was the researchers' observation that they observed the
SAME results whether their initial concentration of cells were just 10 or 10(9)
(this is 10 to the 9th power = 10,000,000,000 cells)."
Click here for the full report from Dana Ullman MPH
links at link
http://homeopathyresource.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/2008-nobel-prize-winner-proves-homeopathic-remedies-are-active/
You need to look at what they are talking about.
It is pure speculation after the point this is said:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/0557v31188m3766x/fulltext.pdf
cite
"The emission of such waves is likely to represent a resonance
phenomenon depending on excitation by the ambient electromagnetic
noise."
/cite
Looking at their diagram what they were recieving/detecting was a
variation of the reluctance/reactance from the change of dialectic
constant.
What they have done was re-invented the Thermin.
http://120years.net/machines/theremin/index.html
The vial being tested only need a slight different Dialectic Constant
to make a change in the reactant of the turned circuit. Even a minor
Temperature difference in the solutions would make a change in the
output wave form.
Not place int he published report id the experimenters attempt to
test their work in a Faraday Cage to isolate the "ambient LF Radio
noise".
'In each experiment, the internal noise generated by the different pieces
of the reading system was first recorded (coil alone, coil with a tube filled
with water). Fourier analysis shows (Fig. 2(c, d)) that the noise was
predominantly composed of very low frequencies, probably generated at
least in part by the 50/60 Hz ambient electric current. The use of the 12 V
battery for the computer power supply did reduce, but not abolish this
noise, which was found to be necessary for the induction of the resonance
signals from the specific nanostructures.
That supports my claim fully. they recorded nothing more than
variations in background noise.
They recorded the resonance signals from the specific nanostructures.
That is their dubious if not false claim.
They recorded changes in resonances due the change of dialectic
medium.
The claim of resonance is still not proven.
They did not eliminate the simple change of dielectric constant which
happened when the diluted.
When you start using high amplification techniques and start claiming
significant signal from noise, you start ignoring simple fact that
the ratio of usable data to noise decreases inversely with the
increase of amplification. That is there is going to be a point when
turning up the volume will not increase the quality of data.
[/quote:d012f6bcc8]
'When dilutions of the M. pirum fltrate were recorded for wave emission,
the first obvious phenomenon observed was an increase of the overall
amplitude of the signals at certain dilutions over the background noise
(Fig. 2(a)) and also an increase in frequencies (Fig. 2(b)). This change
was abolished if the tube to be analyzed was placed inside a box
sheltered with sheets of copper and mumetal (David, 1998).
Fourier analysis of the M. pirum signals showed a shift towards higher
frequencies close to 1000 Hz and multiples of it. Profiles were identical
for all the dilutions showing an increase in amplitude (Fig. 2(c) and2(d)).
The first low dilutions were usually negative, showing the background
noise only. Positive signals were usually obtained at dilutions ranging
from 10(-5) to 10(- or 10(-12). Higher dilutions were again negative
(Fig. 3).
The positive dilutions varied according to the type of filtration, the
20 nM filtrate being generally positive at dilutions higher than those of
the 100 nM filtrate. The original unfiltered suspension was negative at
all dilutions, a phenomenon observed for all the microorganisms studied.
...
Evidence for homologous \cross talk" between dilutions
We then wonder whether or not it was possible to generate new signal-
emitting structures from tube to tube by using wave transfer. The following
experiment which was repeated several times showed that indeed this was
the case.
A donor tube [continues]
...
At the high dilution of 10(-13), calculations indicate that there is no DNA
molecule of MW larger than 10(5) in the solution, making it unlikely that
the EMS are produced directly by the DNA itself, but rather by the
self-sustained nanostructures induced by the DNA.
...'
http://lucmontagnierfoundation.org/montagnier/article-26-electromagnetic-signals-are-produced-by-aqueous-nanostructures-derived-from-bacterial-dna |
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| O.pearl... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:34 am |
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[quote:c251f99ea6]"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname at (no spam) ratbags.com> wrote in message news:a7r9d5h8l0qa84iiu2mqfnd3iqstpp9itt at (no spam) 4ax.com...
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname at (no spam) ratbags.com> wrote in message news:cp27d5d3clv6qvit0jjce2vn4mblch42s8 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
..
'Although homeopathy is not mentioned anywhere in the article, the
researchers used aqueous solutions that were agitated and serially diluted
(the researchers note that the solutions were "strongly agitated" and that
this step was "critical for the generation of signals").
..'
http://www.homeopathic.com/articles/view,134
Citation please, and no, Dana Ullman saying something does not make it
so.
http://lucmontagnierfoundation.org/montagnier/article-26-electromagnetic-signals-are-produced-by-aqueous-nanostructures-derived-from-bacterial-dna
Just as I thought. Nothing to do with homeopathy except in the
diseased minds of some true believers.
'The entire process of making a Homeopathic medicine consists of the following steps:
Selection of raw material
Trituration of raw material if insoluble in water or alcohol (Grinding with mortar and pestle)
Preparation of liquid potencies by dilution and succussion
..'
http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_info/hahnemann_labs_preparation.html
"Those who wish to appear wise among fools among the wise seem foolish."
- Marcus Fabius Quintilian (c. 35 - 95)
Like I said, the Montagnier work had nothing to do with homeopathy.
Thank you for confirming my opinion.
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Exactly! It is laughable that anybody could consider that the
Montaigner work has anything to do with homeopathy, let alone it
validating the nonsense.
[/quote:c251f99ea6]
More laughable nonsense. |
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| O.pearl... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:46 am |
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[quote:ace87ca743]On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:26:27 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:v9m9d59beks13kekd8gp220vt1bebc2dhp at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:37:50 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:35:50 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"The researchers also noted that one experiment found significant effects from
That is crap.
"Nothing so obstinately stands in the way of all sorts of progress as pride
of opinion; while nothing is so foolish and baseless. - Jeffrey R. Holland (1940 - )
To believe in what Carole Hubbard claims, is a real big stupidity.
Carole Hubbard, whoever she is, certainly left a big impression on you. :)
quote
Domain Name: CELLSALTS.NET
[/quote:ace87ca743]
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/cellsalts.htm
Looks interesting. A type of nutritional supplementation.
[quote:ace87ca743]The only thing impressive with Carole Hubbard is her stupidity.
And her advertising and selling of pseudomedical bullshit.
[/quote:ace87ca743]
Projection. You attack everything that threatens sales of pharmacrap. |
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| Bob Officer... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:27 am |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:32:45 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
[quote:c9311734a6]"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:9gqed51m2d9dgs9ncjpqbe8bm7hiedcl1s at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:24:26 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:dh69d5prl1oe4ho6rhdqhhfb4ih4tt1tni at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:40:04 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:tah6d5l2kmlgdkti43at0sca1mi7uj913p at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:35:50 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname at (no spam) ratbags.com> wrote in message news:j8g4d5pr3j6n2ihg5s6tmo2po2evolb2j9 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
'2008 Nobel Prize Winner Proves Homeopathic Remedies Are Active
Posted on September 16, 2009 by homeopathyresource
Professor Luc Montagnier is a French virologist and joint recipient with
Françoise Barré-Sinoussi and Harald zur Hausen of the 2008 Nobel Prize
in Physiology or Medicine for his co-discovery of the Human Immunodeficiency
Virus (HIV).
He and his team of researchers have been doing rigorous experiments using
homeopathically prepared biological substances. They have conclusively shown
that homeopathically prepared biological substances give off electromagnetic
waves and therefore have effects.
"The researchers also noted that one experiment found significant effects from
dilutions as high as 10(-1 (equivalent to 18X). The EM signature changed
with dilution levels but was unaffected by the initial concentration and remained
even after the remaining DNA fragments were destroyed by chemical agents.
Of additional interest was the researchers' observation that they observed the
SAME results whether their initial concentration of cells were just 10 or 10(9)
(this is 10 to the 9th power = 10,000,000,000 cells)."
Click here for the full report from Dana Ullman MPH
links at link
http://homeopathyresource.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/2008-nobel-prize-winner-proves-homeopathic-remedies-are-active/
You need to look at what they are talking about.
It is pure speculation after the point this is said:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/0557v31188m3766x/fulltext.pdf
cite
"The emission of such waves is likely to represent a resonance
phenomenon depending on excitation by the ambient electromagnetic
noise."
/cite
Looking at their diagram what they were recieving/detecting was a
variation of the reluctance/reactance from the change of dialectic
constant.
What they have done was re-invented the Thermin.
http://120years.net/machines/theremin/index.html
The vial being tested only need a slight different Dialectic Constant
to make a change in the reactant of the turned circuit. Even a minor
Temperature difference in the solutions would make a change in the
output wave form.
Not place int he published report id the experimenters attempt to
test their work in a Faraday Cage to isolate the "ambient LF Radio
noise".
'In each experiment, the internal noise generated by the different pieces
of the reading system was first recorded (coil alone, coil with a tube filled
with water). Fourier analysis shows (Fig. 2(c, d)) that the noise was
predominantly composed of very low frequencies, probably generated at
least in part by the 50/60 Hz ambient electric current. The use of the 12 V
battery for the computer power supply did reduce, but not abolish this
noise, which was found to be necessary for the induction of the resonance
signals from the specific nanostructures.
That supports my claim fully. they recorded nothing more than
variations in background noise.
They recorded the resonance signals from the specific nanostructures.
That is their dubious if not false claim.
They recorded changes in resonances due the change of dialectic
medium.
The claim of resonance is still not proven.
They did not eliminate the simple change of dielectric constant which
happened when the diluted.
When you start using high amplification techniques and start claiming
significant signal from noise, you start ignoring simple fact that
the ratio of usable data to noise decreases inversely with the
increase of amplification. That is there is going to be a point when
turning up the volume will not increase the quality of data.
'When dilutions of the M. pirum fltrate were recorded for wave emission,
the first obvious phenomenon observed was an increase of the overall
amplitude of the signals at certain dilutions over the background noise
(Fig. 2(a)) and also an increase in frequencies (Fig. 2(b)). This change
was abolished if the tube to be analyzed was placed inside a box
sheltered with sheets of copper and mumetal (David, 1998).
[/quote:c9311734a6]
I know exactly what it means. Do you? I will tell you it doesn't mean
what you think.
[quote:c9311734a6]Fourier analysis of the M. pirum signals showed a shift towards higher
frequencies close to 1000 Hz and multiples of it. Profiles were identical
for all the dilutions showing an increase in amplitude (Fig. 2(c) and2(d)).
[/quote:c9311734a6]
That is a type response to a increase in Dialectic constance. Rz
increases as the De goes down. Any Audio Engineer form the age of
Vacuum Tubes could explain that to them.
[quote:c9311734a6]The first low dilutions were usually negative, showing the background
noise only. Positive signals were usually obtained at dilutions ranging
from 10(-5) to 10(- or 10(-12). Higher dilutions were again negative
(Fig. 3).
[/quote:c9311734a6]
The Dielelct constant as low Fq usually doesn't allow current to pass
or pass at such a low amount large amplification.
[quote:c9311734a6]The positive dilutions varied according to the type of filtration, the
20 nM filtrate being generally positive at dilutions higher than those of
the 100 nM filtrate. The original unfiltered suspension was negative at
all dilutions, a phenomenon observed for all the microorganisms studied.
..
Evidence for homologous \cross talk" between dilutions
[/quote:c9311734a6]
No Evidence of the change in particle size show a change in
dielectric constant. It is no sign of communication or cross talk
between solutions.
[quote:c9311734a6]We then wonder whether or not it was possible to generate new signal-
emitting structures from tube to tube by using wave transfer. The following
experiment which was repeated several times showed that indeed this was
the case.
A donor tube [continues]
..
At the high dilution of 10(-13), calculations indicate that there is no DNA
molecule of MW larger than 10(5) in the solution, making it unlikely that
the EMS are produced directly by the DNA itself, but rather by the
self-sustained nanostructures induced by the DNA.
..'
http://lucmontagnierfoundation.org/montagnier/article-26-electromagnetic-signals-are-produced-by-aqueous-nanostructures-derived-from-bacterial-dna
[/quote:c9311734a6]
Wrong. They are just playing with dielectric solutions.
I predict laughter as RF and AF engineer read this article.
--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au |
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| Bob Officer... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:30 am |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:46:18 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
[quote:6d9adcae1f]"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:5n0fd5dtkjj2a1da6sc59ofo02icopafef at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:26:27 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:v9m9d59beks13kekd8gp220vt1bebc2dhp at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:37:50 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:p137d5tuss5i3pl5sv3i8i3tgtebp83hg3 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:35:50 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"The researchers also noted that one experiment found significant effects from
That is crap.
"Nothing so obstinately stands in the way of all sorts of progress as pride
of opinion; while nothing is so foolish and baseless. - Jeffrey R. Holland (1940 - )
To believe in what Carole Hubbard claims, is a real big stupidity.
Carole Hubbard, whoever she is, certainly left a big impression on you. :)
quote
Domain Name: CELLSALTS.NET
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/cellsalts.htm
Looks interesting. A type of nutritional supplementation.
The only thing impressive with Carole Hubbard is her stupidity.
And her advertising and selling of pseudomedical bullshit.
Projection. You attack everything that threatens sales of pharmacrap.
[/quote:6d9adcae1f]
Carole is stupid!
Silicon Dioxide is not a salt. and is not soluble by any acid in the
human body.
If you think that bullshit is interesting, then you must be stupid
yourself.
We can see you have no idea what is happening with Regenerative RF/AF
signals in and changes of Dielectric constant
--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au |
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| Happy Oyster... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:46 am |
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:27:26 -0700, Bob Officer <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote:
[quote:12d7003948]http://lucmontagnierfoundation.org/montagnier/article-26-electromagnetic-signals-are-produced-by-aqueous-nanostructures-derived-from-bacterial-dna
Wrong. They are just playing with dielectric solutions.
I predict laughter as RF and AF engineer read this article.
[/quote:12d7003948]
Can you hear me? ;O)
--
How a sect kills YOUR children
http://www.pharmamafia.com |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:25 pm |
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[quote:a3bcf19be6]On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:32:45 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
...
'In each experiment, the internal noise generated by the different pieces
of the reading system was first recorded (coil alone, coil with a tube filled
with water). Fourier analysis shows (Fig. 2(c, d)) that the noise was
predominantly composed of very low frequencies, probably generated at
least in part by the 50/60 Hz ambient electric current. The use of the 12 V
battery for the computer power supply did reduce, but not abolish this
noise, which was found to be necessary for the induction of the resonance
signals from the specific nanostructures.
That supports my claim fully. they recorded nothing more than
variations in background noise.
They recorded the resonance signals from the specific nanostructures.
That is their dubious if not false claim.
They recorded changes in resonances due the change of dialectic
medium.
The claim of resonance is still not proven.
They did not eliminate the simple change of dielectric constant which
happened when the diluted.
When you start using high amplification techniques and start claiming
significant signal from noise, you start ignoring simple fact that
the ratio of usable data to noise decreases inversely with the
increase of amplification. That is there is going to be a point when
turning up the volume will not increase the quality of data.
'When dilutions of the M. pirum fltrate were recorded for wave emission,
the first obvious phenomenon observed was an increase of the overall
amplitude of the signals at certain dilutions over the background noise
(Fig. 2(a)) and also an increase in frequencies (Fig. 2(b)). This change
was abolished if the tube to be analyzed was placed inside a box
sheltered with sheets of copper and mumetal (David, 1998).
I know exactly what it means. Do you? I will tell you it doesn't mean
what you think.
[/quote:a3bcf19be6]
The container shielded from detection the EM waves being emitted.
[quote:a3bcf19be6]Fourier analysis of the M. pirum signals showed a shift towards higher
frequencies close to 1000 Hz and multiples of it. Profiles were identical
for all the dilutions showing an increase in amplitude (Fig. 2(c) and2(d)).
That is a type response to a increase in Dialectic constance. Rz
increases as the De goes down. Any Audio Engineer form the age of
Vacuum Tubes could explain that to them.
[/quote:a3bcf19be6]
You think you know it all. This is new technology. Patent application:
'(WO/2007/071856) THERAPEUTIC TREATMENTS ASSOCIATED
WITH A METHOD FOR CHARACTERISING A BIOLOGICALLY
ACTIVE BIOCHEMICAL ELEMENT BY ANALYSING LOW-
FREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC SIGNALS
...
ROBERT, Bruno; (FR).
...
Abstract:(EN) The use of an optionally modified electromagnetic signal
emitted by a dilute and filtered biological medium with a view to inhibiting
or substantially modifying said signal by exposing said medium to the
amplified electromagnetic signal using a solenoid is described. An apparatus
for implementing said use, including one or more solenoids for sensing the
electromagnetic signals emitted by the biological medium, a circuit for
processing said signals in order to break them down by means of a Fourier
transform into main frequencies, and a circuit for generating inhibition signals,
is also described.
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http://www.wipo.org/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2007071856
And of course we've already seen evidence for the efficacy of homeopathy. |
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| Happy Oyster... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:33 pm |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:25:53 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
[quote:bcd4e0ef38]The container shielded from detection the EM waves being emitted.
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Except for the holes.
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| O.pearl... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:40 pm |
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"Bob Officer" <bobofficers at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote in message news:f74hd5t8u35feu8o64tmq3ie8jqntptjvt at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote:bf8a29660e]On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:46:18 +0100, in misc.health.alternative,
"O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:5n0fd5dtkjj2a1da6sc59ofo02icopafef at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:26:27 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:v9m9d59beks13kekd8gp220vt1bebc2dhp at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:37:50 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:p137d5tuss5i3pl5sv3i8i3tgtebp83hg3 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:35:50 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
"The researchers also noted that one experiment found significant effects from
That is crap.
"Nothing so obstinately stands in the way of all sorts of progress as pride
of opinion; while nothing is so foolish and baseless. - Jeffrey R. Holland (1940 - )
To believe in what Carole Hubbard claims, is a real big stupidity.
Carole Hubbard, whoever she is, certainly left a big impression on you. :)
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Domain Name: CELLSALTS.NET
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/cellsalts.htm
Looks interesting. A type of nutritional supplementation.
The only thing impressive with Carole Hubbard is her stupidity.
And her advertising and selling of pseudomedical bullshit.
Projection. You attack everything that threatens sales of pharmacrap.
ad hominem snipped
Silicon Dioxide is not a salt. and is not soluble by any acid in the
human body.
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In this context "salts" refers to minerals, or combinations of minerals.
'Twelve cell salts were recognized and categorized by a German biochemist
William H. Schuessler in 1873. He found that there are certain essential
minerals that the body requires, in proper balance, in all of its cells. An
imbalance or a lack of any of these minerals may lead to disease in the tissues
so lacking. Providing the missing minerals to the tissues corrects that imbalance,
and so eliminates the illness.
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http://www.doctoryourself.com/cell_salts.html
.... And hence your predictable opposition to it, quackpot #3. |
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| Happy Oyster... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:43 pm |
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:40:29 +0100, "O.pearl" <private at (no spam) iol.ie> wrote:
[quote:f163abc420]'Twelve cell salts were recognized and categorized by a German biochemist
William H. Schuessler in 1873.
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That is bullshit. Schüßler was a naturopath, who toyed with homeopathy.
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| O.pearl... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:47 pm |
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"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:it5nd5p1dkn9enima12qeertev8sf3j13u at (no spam) 4ax.com...
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Except for the holes.
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Flu Shot Permanently Disables Washington Redskins
cheerleader Desiree Jennings
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| O.pearl... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:53 pm |
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"Happy Oyster" <happy.oyster at (no spam) ariplex.com> wrote in message news:qe6nd5ptl3373c26dcolc3aois75pp9glo at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote:e3455f359b]That is bullshit.
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Children Who Get Flu Vaccine Have Three Times Risk Of Hospitalization
For Flu, Study Suggests
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090519172045.htm
ScienceDaily (May 20, 2009) --- The inactivated flu vaccine does not
appear to be effective in preventing influenza-related hospitalizations
in children, especially the ones with asthma. In fact, children who get
the flu vaccine are more at risk for hospitalization than their peers
who do not get the vaccine, according to new research that will be
presented on May 19, at the 105th International Conference of the
American Thoracic Society in San Diego.
Flu vaccine (trivalent inactivated flu vaccine---TIV) has unknown
effects on asthmatics.
"The concerns that vaccination maybe associated with asthma
exacerbations have been disproved with multiple studies in the past, but
the vaccine's effectiveness has not been well-established," said Avni
Joshi, M.D., of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. "This study was aimed
at evaluating the effectiveness of the TIV in children overall, as well
as the children with asthma, to prevent influenza-related hospitalization."
The CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) and the
American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommend annual influenza
vaccination for all children aged six months to 18 years. The National
Asthma Education and Prevention Program (3rd revision) also recommends
annual flu vaccination of asthmatic children older than six months.
In order to determine whether the vaccine was effective in reducing the
number of hospitalizations that all children, and especially the ones
with asthma, faced over eight consecutive flu seasons, the researchers
conducted a cohort study of 263 children who were evaluated at the Mayo
Clinic in Minnesota from six months to 18 years of age, each of whom had
had laboratory-confirmed influenza between 1996 to 2006. The
investigators determined who had and had not received the flu vaccine,
their asthma status and who did and did not require hospitalization.
Records were reviewed for each subject with influenza-related illness
for flu vaccination preceding the illness and hospitalization during
that illness.
They found that children who had received the flu vaccine had three
times the risk of hospitalization, as compared to children who had not
received the vaccine. In asthmatic children, there was a significantly
higher risk of hospitalization in subjects who received the TIV, as
compared to those who did not (p= 0.006). But no other measured
factors---such as insurance plans or severity of asthma---appeared to
affect risk of hospitalization.
"While these findings do raise questions about the efficacy of the
vaccine, they do not in fact implicate it as a cause of
hospitalizations," said Dr. Joshi. "More studies are needed to assess
not only the immunogenicity, but also the efficacy of different
influenza vaccines in asthmatic subjects."
Adapted from materials provided by American Thoracic Society, via
EurekAlert!, a service of AAAS. |
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