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| Robert Montgomery... |
 Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:16 pm |
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How harmful to teeth, gums and insulin levels are evaporated cane juice
and evaporated cane sugar, compared to other sweeteners, such as sugar,
sucrose, fructose, honey and syrop?
I read some information on the Net that said that unrefined sugar cane
juice is okay, but I want to confirm that.
I'm looking for some cookies that will satisfy my sweet teeth without
damaging my teeth or agravating my gum disease and insulin levels.
I've been eating Voortman's sugar-free cookies, but I'm concerned about
those, too, because they're sweetened partly with acesulfame potassium,
which wasn't sufficiently tested before being released to the public by
the FDA, according to the Center for Science in the Public Interest and
others.
Robert |
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| Dartos... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:17 pm |
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On Sep 30, 7:16 pm, Robert Montgomery <info-bl... at (no spam) northern-data-
tech.net> wrote:
[quote:7eba6561ae]How harmful to teeth, gums and insulin levels are evaporated cane juice
and evaporated cane sugar, compared to other sweeteners, such as sugar,
sucrose, fructose, honey and syrop?
[/quote:7eba6561ae]
Probably selling something, right? 'Evaporated' cane juice and
'evaporated' cane sugar
is still SUCROSE. The concentration would be the only consideration.
With sugar,
the dental disease risks go up as the concentration rises.
'Evaporation' increases the concentration
and gets you right up there with other 'syrups'.
[quote:7eba6561ae]I'm looking for some cookies that will satisfy my sweet teeth without
damaging my teeth or agravating my gum disease and insulin levels.
[/quote:7eba6561ae]
Best thing I've found so far is using Splenda®. Won't bake a cake
though, without using 50/50 with
sugar.
JMO,
Steve Fawks DDS |
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| vaughn... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:57 am |
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"Dartos" <tuthjockey at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote in message
news:82cabf77-64b2-4642-8c17-508dabea8e5e at (no spam) r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Best thing I've found so far is using Splenda®. Won't bake a cake
though, without using 50/50 with sugar
You can make a very acceptable whole-berry cranberry sauce with
Splenda. I use Splenda plus the juice & pulp from one orange.
Vaughn |
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| The Webby... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:02 pm |
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In article <ha28vg$4du$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>,
"vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM at (no spam) gmail.FAKE.com> wrote:
[quote:5abe22d89f]"Dartos" <tuthjockey at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote in message
news:82cabf77-64b2-4642-8c17-508dabea8e5e at (no spam) r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Best thing I've found so far is using Splenda®. Won't bake a cake
though, without using 50/50 with sugar
You can make a very acceptable whole-berry cranberry sauce with
Splenda. I use Splenda plus the juice & pulp from one orange.
Vaughn
[/quote:5abe22d89f]
I see it's time for cooking-talk! We (maybe not everyone) know when and
why that happens. ;-)
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| Nunyerbidnez Atall... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:55 pm |
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:17:14 -0700 (PDT), Dartos
<tuthjockey at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote:
[quote:09bc3de611]On Sep 30, 7:16 pm, Robert Montgomery <info-bl... at (no spam) northern-data-
tech.net> wrote:
How harmful to teeth, gums and insulin levels are evaporated cane juice
and evaporated cane sugar, compared to other sweeteners, such as sugar,
sucrose, fructose, honey and syrop?
Probably selling something, right? 'Evaporated' cane juice and
'evaporated' cane sugar
is still SUCROSE. The concentration would be the only consideration.
With sugar,
the dental disease risks go up as the concentration rises.
'Evaporation' increases the concentration
and gets you right up there with other 'syrups'.
I'm looking for some cookies that will satisfy my sweet teeth without
damaging my teeth or agravating my gum disease and insulin levels.
Best thing I've found so far is using Splenda®. Won't bake a cake
though, without using 50/50 with
sugar.
JMO,
Steve Fawks DDS
What about xylitol? Research shows it is good for gums, no?[/quote:09bc3de611]
I have been using xylitol for a couple years, thinking - from what
I've read that it's good for teeth and gums, or at least not harmful.
No? |
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| Robert Montgomery... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:16 pm |
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Nunyerbidnez Atall wrote:
[quote:f8df2c0aaa]On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:17:14 -0700 (PDT), Dartos
tuthjockey at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:16 pm, Robert Montgomery <info-bl... at (no spam) northern-data-
tech.net> wrote:
How harmful to teeth, gums and insulin levels are evaporated cane juice
and evaporated cane sugar, compared to other sweeteners, such as sugar,
sucrose, fructose, honey and syrop?
Probably selling something, right? 'Evaporated' cane juice and
'evaporated' cane sugar
is still SUCROSE. The concentration would be the only consideration.
With sugar,
the dental disease risks go up as the concentration rises.
'Evaporation' increases the concentration
and gets you right up there with other 'syrups'.
I'm looking for some cookies that will satisfy my sweet teeth without
damaging my teeth or agravating my gum disease and insulin levels.
Best thing I've found so far is using Splenda®. Won't bake a cake
though, without using 50/50 with
sugar.
JMO,
Steve Fawks DDS
What about xylitol? Research shows it is good for gums, no?
I have been using xylitol for a couple years, thinking - from what
I've read that it's good for teeth and gums, or at least not harmful.
No?
[/quote:f8df2c0aaa]
Yes. Xylitol not just benign, it's acutually beneficial at reducing
cavities (and may be good for gums, too – I'm not sure about the gums).
But I don't recall seeing any cookie ingedients lists on the packaging
at the supermarkets – or even health food stores – that included Xylitol.
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| Robert Montgomery... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:14 pm |
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Dartos wrote:
[quote:c12989bcbe]On Sep 30, 7:16 pm, Robert Montgomery <info-bl... at (no spam) northern-data-
tech.net> wrote:
How harmful to teeth, gums and insulin levels are evaporated cane juice
and evaporated cane sugar, compared to other sweeteners, such as sugar,
sucrose, fructose, honey and syrop?
Probably selling something, right?
[/quote:c12989bcbe]
Wrong.
[quote:c12989bcbe]'Evaporated' cane juice and
'evaporated' cane sugar
is still SUCROSE. The concentration would be the only consideration.
With sugar,
the dental disease risks go up as the concentration rises.
'Evaporation' increases the concentration
and gets you right up there with other 'syrups'.
I'm looking for some cookies that will satisfy my sweet teeth without
damaging my teeth or agravating my gum disease and insulin levels.
Best thing I've found so far is using Splenda®. Won't bake a cake
though, without using 50/50 with
sugar.
JMO,
Steve Fawks DDS
[/quote:c12989bcbe]
Perhaps you are selling Splenda?
Splenda is a poinsonous chlorocarbon. It's in the same class of
chemicals as DDT, PCBs and Agent Orange, all of which contain chlorine.
No long-term studies have been done on it, and most of the studies that
found it to be safe were funded by the manufacturer.
http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/
A new short-term study on rats conducted at Duke University found
"numerous adverse effects, including (1) reduction in beneficial fecal
microflora, (2) increased fecal pH, and (3) enhanced expression levels
of P-gp, CYP3A4, and CYP2D1, which are known to limit the
bioavailability of orally administered drugs."
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1080/15287390802328630
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| Robert Montgomery... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:43 am |
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Robert Montgomery wrote:
[quote:17d9ec664c]Dartos wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:16 pm, Robert Montgomery <info-bl... at (no spam) northern-data-
tech.net> wrote:
How harmful to teeth, gums and insulin levels are evaporated cane juice
and evaporated cane sugar, compared to other sweeteners, such as sugar,
sucrose, fructose, honey and syrop?
Probably selling something, right?
Wrong.
'Evaporated' cane juice and
'evaporated' cane sugar
is still SUCROSE. The concentration would be the only consideration.
With sugar,
the dental disease risks go up as the concentration rises.
'Evaporation' increases the concentration
and gets you right up there with other 'syrups'.
I'm looking for some cookies that will satisfy my sweet teeth without
damaging my teeth or agravating my gum disease and insulin levels.
Best thing I've found so far is using Splenda®. Won't bake a cake
though, without using 50/50 with
sugar.
JMO,
Steve Fawks DDS
Perhaps you are selling Splenda?
Splenda is a poinsonous chlorocarbon. It's in the same class of
chemicals as DDT andP CBs, both of which contain chlorine.
No long-term studies have been done on it, and most of the studies that
found it to be safe were funded by the manufacturer.
http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/
A new short-term study on rats conducted at Duke University found
"numerous adverse effects, including (1) reduction in beneficial fecal
microflora, (2) increased fecal pH, and (3) enhanced expression levels
of P-gp, CYP3A4, and CYP2D1, which are known to limit the
bioavailability of orally administered drugs."
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1080/15287390802328630
Robert
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So, Steve, are you still having your cake and lacing it, too, with Splenda?
You didn't respond to my letter. Is it because you've been hospitalized
from eating too many of those Splenda-laced cakes and cookies? ;-)
As a DDS, you should know better than adding Splenda to your food.
I've dubbed Splenda "The Splendid Poison".
Robert Mongermery, BAA |
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| Dartos... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:42 pm |
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As a reasonable human being that does not listen to every 'poison'
scandal on the internet, yes I use Splenda® in some cooking. My
wife is diabetic so carb content is important. From a dental
standpoint, so is the exposure to simple sugars.
I would have replied sooner if I had realized it was so important
to you (plus I've been in Hawaii the last 9 days <G>).
Best wishes,
Steve Fawks
[quote:ffb6d060c5]So, Steve, are you still having your cake and lacing it, too, with Splenda?
You didn't respond to my letter. Is it because you've been hospitalized
from eating too many of those Splenda-laced cakes and cookies? ;-)
As a DDS, you should know better than adding Splenda to your food.
I've dubbed Splenda "The Splendid Poison".
Robert Mongermery, BAA[/quote:ffb6d060c5] |
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| The Webby... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:58 pm |
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Aloha!!!!
When I was living in Hawaii as a kid, sugar cane was a favored treat. I
didn't care for it... but I was the exception. I preferred dried squid,
cuttlefish and other "delicacies". I never knew what candy bars were
.... I guess they hadn't made it to the middle of the Pacific during the
50's but I'm sure there was plenty of junk to destroy kids teeth!
Webby
In article <1254930576_22458 at (no spam) news.newsville.com>,
Dartos <tuthjockey at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote:
[quote:b31cbce476]As a reasonable human being that does not listen to every 'poison'
scandal on the internet, yes I use Splenda® in some cooking. My
wife is diabetic so carb content is important. From a dental
standpoint, so is the exposure to simple sugars.
I would have replied sooner if I had realized it was so important
to you (plus I've been in Hawaii the last 9 days <G>).
Best wishes,
Steve Fawks
So, Steve, are you still having your cake and lacing it, too, with Splenda?
You didn't respond to my letter. Is it because you've been hospitalized
from eating too many of those Splenda-laced cakes and cookies? ;-)
As a DDS, you should know better than adding Splenda to your food.
I've dubbed Splenda "The Splendid Poison".
Robert Mongermery, BAA[/quote:b31cbce476] |
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| vaughn... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:42 pm |
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"The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:tmjiatroepidemic-F29EF4.13581707102009 at (no spam) newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com...
[quote:8c6ebc0976]When I was living in Hawaii as a kid, sugar cane was a favored treat.
[/quote:8c6ebc0976]
I used to grow that stuff in my back yard. All you need to do is buy a
stalk at a fruit stand, cut off a few of the joints, plant same, & stand
back. Oh yes; move to South Florida first or those instructions may not
work. ;-)
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| The Webby... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:29 pm |
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In article <haj5gm$70o$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>,
"vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM at (no spam) gmail.FAKE.com> wrote:
[quote:b151700b24]"The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
news:tmjiatroepidemic-F29EF4.13581707102009 at (no spam) newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com..
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When I was living in Hawaii as a kid, sugar cane was a favored treat.
I used to grow that stuff in my back yard. All you need to do is buy a
stalk at a fruit stand, cut off a few of the joints, plant same, & stand
back. Oh yes; move to South Florida first or those instructions may not
work. ;-)
Vaughn
[/quote:b151700b24]
Probably not a chance of them working in southern Nevada either!!!
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| Nunyerbidnez Atall... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:04 am |
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I'm not on an anti-splenda crusade, but have you ever considered using
xylitol or stevia instead of splenda? I believe xylitol is actually
good for the teeth and gums, and stevia has no calories nor negatives
at all, from what I've heard.
Xylitol is okay for diabetics, I'm pretty sure, and I know Stevia is.
I swtiched to xylitol because it looks like sugar and acts like sugar
except it's less sweet and healthier. I don't like the taste of stevia
but some do. Try various brands before you give up, some were almost
okay with me, others were very bitter or had a weird after taste. But
all xylitols I've tried taste the same. |
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| Dartos... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:31 am |
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Sounds reasonable.
D
Nunyerbidnez Atall wrote:
[quote]I'm not on an anti-splenda crusade, but have you ever considered using
xylitol or stevia instead of splenda? I believe xylitol is actually
good for the teeth and gums, and stevia has no calories nor negatives
at all, from what I've heard.
Xylitol is okay for diabetics, I'm pretty sure, and I know Stevia is.
I swtiched to xylitol because it looks like sugar and acts like sugar
except it's less sweet and healthier. I don't like the taste of stevia
but some do. Try various brands before you give up, some were almost
okay with me, others were very bitter or had a weird after taste. But
all xylitols I've tried taste the same.[/quote] |
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