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| DP... |
 Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:18 pm |
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All this discussion about the voice of God can be fine tune by building the
concept of T-Room that I wrote about.
Why would a T-Room help in this regard? A T-Room would elimnate the voice if
it was man made. People diagnosed with hearing voices can be used as test
subject. Why don't I build one? I had to drop out of school because of
financial reason so I can't afford to build one myself.
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| Barbara loves Marty... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:18 pm |
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| DP... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:11 pm |
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"Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmartyyes at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 25, 9:18 pm, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
[quote:404249c035]All this discussion about the voice of God can be fine tune by building
the
concept of T-Room that I wrote about.
Why would a T-Room help in this regard? A T-Room would elimnate the voice
if
it was man made. People diagnosed with hearing voices can be used as test
subject. Why don't I build one? I had to drop out of school because of
financial reason so I can't afford to build one myself.
--www.destroypsychiatry.org
[/quote:404249c035]
What is a T-Room?
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Read the website.
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| Brainstormer... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:29 am |
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Check out this book:
http://telicalbooks.com/hallucinations.html
The Experience of Hallucinations in Religious Practice
"The Experience of Hallucinations in Religious Practice" by R.S.
Pearson is the one of the first books to help distinguish what is a
spiritual experience and what may be merely a type of dream phenomena
or hallucination. The author discusses how much religious and so-
called esoteric experience takes place in the state of consciousness
within the brain that is similar to the dream state in human beings.
This book is written by someone who has a religious perspective, yet
it is non-denomenational and not offensive to those of any faith. It
is not written in a technical style, yet still provides challenging
material.
Today, a large percentage of religious thought encourages people to
have extra-sensory experiences. Medical science has also proven both
the value of religious faith in some people via statistical studies,
and also the fact that some religious experiences fall into the same
category as hallucinations or dreams. Because of the many popular
celebrity psychics, some of whom even talk to the dead on TV, many
come to believe that whatever you experience is what you imagine it to
be. But for one who was taught by many different religious teachers,
and did a detailed study of religious literature, Pearson felt it
necessary to write about the other side of the picture. "Like the
great religions teach, many are going to have to learn by personal
experience that it's often best to not believe in these experiences,"
Pearson says. "The problem is, that there are psychological studies
that show the longer that you hallucinate, the more your IQ can
decrease."
The author believes that today's spiritual climate is often dangerous,
because there isn't much sophistication in understanding what people
can often experience when they open themselves up to spiritual
practices. Most of the traditional religious leaders, whether they be
Christians, Jews, Islamic, Zen Buddhist monks, or yogis, teach not to
make much of so-called paranormal experiences. Such experiences have
traditionally been said to be possibly dangerous. However, to some of
today's modern writers, these experiences become the most important
part of their spirituality.
The author has done some charitable work among the homeless of Seattle
and he recognizes that many of the homeless are mentally ill and are
experiencing hallucinations. "Most likely the homeless who are
hallucinating are believing that they are having religious
experiences. Often they already feel condemned by God because they
hallucinate God condemning them." He realizes that since there was no
book written when he was younger on this subject, that a book like his
that takes both a religious and psychological perspective fills an
important need. He says, that, on the contrary, only books were
written encouraging people to hallucinate.
Pearson states, "I tried to write this book for the biggest audience
possible. I state clearly up front that I am not a trained
psychologist or psychiatrist. Some proofreaders were expecting me to
write an academic book that referenced every statement, but many
readers are intimidated by such books. I wrote a book that will inform
most people's understanding of psychology but one which has no
technical medical information from brain science, so as to not
intimidate people in the reading process."
Although witten from a spiritual perspective, the author has tried to
remove his own specific personal beliefs from this book to create an
interfaith work. |
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| DP... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:49 pm |
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"Brainstormer" <paramindsoftware at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote:19689e751c]Check out this book:
http://telicalbooks.com/hallucinations.html
The Experience of Hallucinations in Religious Practice
Pearson says. "The problem is, that there are psychological studies
that show the longer that you hallucinate, the more your IQ can
decrease."
[/quote:19689e751c]
I would tend to agree with this. As a person hallucinate, the person would
become less interested in learning as they would become too preoccupied with
their hallucination. So their IQ would decrease especially in taking an IQ
exam where their concentration ability would be less than normal. So this
makes sense. But a person IQ should return to normal when they no longer
hallucinate as there is nothing wrong with their brain phyiscally.
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| Piet de Arcilla... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:09 pm |
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On Sep 30, 4:29 pm, Brainstormer <paramindsoftw... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:e926c2c0b4]Although witten from a spiritual perspective, the author has tried to
remove his own specific personal beliefs from this book to create an
interfaith work.
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Isn't that the most ridiculous thing imaginable? He wants to tell
people how to decide what to believe, without mentioning his "specific
personal beliefs". It can't be done.
The fundamental problem is his vanity leads him to believe he has
spiritual knowledge that some homeless guy doesn't. But that's
indefensible, so I expect the book necessarily contains only B.S.
Hallucinations, especially ones about God, can be toxic. But there's
no way to determine what's real; that's why we have religious wars. |
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| Piet de Arcilla... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:14 pm |
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On Oct 1, 12:49 am, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
[quote:692d979e3a]I would tend to agree with this. As a person hallucinate, the person would
become less interested in learning as they would become too preoccupied with
their hallucination. So their IQ would decrease especially in taking an IQ
exam where their concentration ability would be less than normal. So this
makes sense. But a person IQ should return to normal when they no longer
hallucinate as there is nothing wrong with their brain phyiscally.
[/quote:692d979e3a]
It's quite possible that hallucination causes brain damage. Sleep
deprivation will lead to hallucination, and will eventually kill you,
so it seems likely that physical damage starts at some point. |
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| Evil's Toy... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:44 am |
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Piet de Arcilla wrote:
[quote:55d0e5bb2e]On Oct 1, 12:49 am, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
I would tend to agree with this. As a person hallucinate, the person would
become less interested in learning as they would become too preoccupied with
their hallucination. So their IQ would decrease especially in taking an IQ
exam where their concentration ability would be less than normal. So this
makes sense. But a person IQ should return to normal when they no longer
hallucinate as there is nothing wrong with their brain phyiscally.
It's quite possible that hallucination causes brain damage. Sleep
deprivation will lead to hallucination, and will eventually kill you,
so it seems likely that physical damage starts at some point.
Antypsychotic drgusg cause brain damaga for sure.[/quote:55d0e5bb2e]
When I was was in nuthouse we use to play chess.
I could predict about 5 moves before taking drugs,
after drugs not a single one my cgnitive capabbilities
were completely destroyed by drugs. (Mix of Thorazine and prolixin)
Hallucionations does not cause brain damage.
Greets! |
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| Peter Schilte... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:08 pm |
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On 3 okt, 06:53, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
[quote:deaa1733b6]"Piet de Arcilla" <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:51e2f55a-8ebb-40e8-8148-a90901df9e5f at (no spam) o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 1, 12:49 am, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
I would tend to agree with this. As a person hallucinate, the person would
become less interested in learning as they would become too preoccupied
with
their hallucination. So their IQ would decrease especially in taking an IQ
exam where their concentration ability would be less than normal. So this
makes sense. But a person IQ should return to normal when they no longer
hallucinate as there is nothing wrong with their brain phyiscally.
It's quite possible that hallucination causes brain damage. Sleep
deprivation will lead to hallucination, and will eventually kill you,
so it seems likely that physical damage starts at some point.
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Do you mean sleep deprivation can kill you in the sense if someone was
driving and got into an accident?
I don't believe hallucination can lead to physical brain damage. There are
people who do marijuana or other types of drugs and when it is out of their
system, they don't have brain damage.
[/quote:deaa1733b6]
I know several people who were on speed (amphetamine or meth or
pervetine) who still suffer from the brain damage these drugs caused.
Some of them are still in a mental facility. I have seen that LSD can
also cause permanent brain damage. One person committed suicide,
another tried several times. So can drug abuse cause a mental
condition? Yes, it can very well.
Peter
"These people believe the souls of fried space aliens inhabit their
bodies and hold soup cans to get rid of them.
I should care what they think?"
- Valerie Emmanuel
http://www.scamofscientology.nl |
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| Rufus... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:40 pm |
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On Oct 3, 4:08 pm, Peter Schilte <peterschi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:8e14da7100]I know several people who were on speed (amphetamine or meth or
pervetine) who still suffer from the brain damage these drugs caused.
Some of them are still in a mental facility. I have seen that LSD can
also cause permanent brain damage. One person committed suicide,
another tried several times. So can drug abuse cause a mental
condition? Yes, it can very well.
[/quote:8e14da7100]
I agree. I have also been told by a psychiatrist that recreational
drugs will also make you insensitive to anti-psychotics. So you may
even have to end up taking much higher doses of your meds just to keep
you grip on reality. |
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| DP... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:53 pm |
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"Piet de Arcilla" <dearcilla at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:51e2f55a-8ebb-40e8-8148-a90901df9e5f at (no spam) o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 1, 12:49 am, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
[quote:e6091cf02b]I would tend to agree with this. As a person hallucinate, the person would
become less interested in learning as they would become too preoccupied
with
their hallucination. So their IQ would decrease especially in taking an IQ
exam where their concentration ability would be less than normal. So this
makes sense. But a person IQ should return to normal when they no longer
hallucinate as there is nothing wrong with their brain phyiscally.
[/quote:e6091cf02b]
It's quite possible that hallucination causes brain damage. Sleep
deprivation will lead to hallucination, and will eventually kill you,
so it seems likely that physical damage starts at some point.
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Do you mean sleep deprivation can kill you in the sense if someone was
driving and got into an accident?
I don't believe hallucination can lead to physical brain damage. There are
people who do marijuana or other types of drugs and when it is out of their
system, they don't have brain damage. |
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| Evil's Toy... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:52 am |
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Peter Schilte wrote:
[quote:678eb87a85]
Peter
"These people believe the souls of fried space aliens inhabit their
bodies and hold soup cans to get rid of them.
I should care what they think?"
- Valerie Emmanuel
http://www.scamofscientology.nl
[/quote:678eb87a85]
If the stars, fall down on me,
And the sun, refused to shine,
Then may the shackles be undone,
AND all the old words cease to rhyme
If the sky, turned into stone,
It would matter not at all,
For there is no heaven, in the sky,
Hell does not wait, for our downfall!
Let the voice of reason shine,
Let the PIOUS vanish for all time,
God's face HIDDEN, ALL unseen,
You can't ask him what it all means,
He was never on your side,
God was never on your side,
Let right or wrong, ALONE decide
God was never on your side.
See ten thousand ministries
See the holy rightous dogs,
They claim to heal, but all they do is steal,
ABUSE YOUR faith, cheat, and ROB,
If God is wise, why is he still,
When these false prophets, call him friend,
Why is he silent, is he blind!?
Are we abandoned in the end?
Let the sword of reason shine,
Let us be free of prayer and shrine
God's face is hidden, turned away,
He never has a word to say,
He was never on your side,
God was never on your side,
Let right or wrong, ALONE decide
God was never on your side!
No, No, No.
(Guitar solo)
He was never on your side,
God was never on your side,
Never!
Never!
Never!
Never!
Never on your side!
Never on your side!
God was never on your side,
Never on your sideā¦
Greets!
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| Evil's Toy... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:15 am |
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Peter Schilte wrote:
Can you imagine what could, and would
[quote:5fce918348]happen in a world without psychiatry?
[/quote:5fce918348]
Yes. Chaos and Disorder!
Because you can't get through crazy people
in other ways ;)
Problem is that lot of time psychiatrists react
when it's too late...
For example in my case when I see demon in
someone my idea of exorcism is to hug her/him and
show love and compassion.
Someone else would use knife or baseball
bath...you got it?
Because in alter state you see peoples faces
as demons or angels depending on their mood.
Do you remember film sphere? When all
your nightmares became reality.
This is same. What you have inside
you project as hallucinations.
Depending on open mind
it could be fun, but narrow
minded people does not realize
that this is projection of their
own psyche....
;)
Last winter I heard voice: "My son, take medications" ;)
Greets!
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| Peter Schilte... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:48 pm |
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On 4 okt, 07:20, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
[quote:db2c4c7135]--www.destroypsychiatry.org"Peter Schilte" <peterschi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f2e47237-4501-45a5-925c-f3dbf826d252 at (no spam) j28g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On 3 okt, 06:53, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Piet de Arcilla" <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:51e2f55a-8ebb-40e8-8148-a90901df9e5f at (no spam) o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 1, 12:49 am, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
I would tend to agree with this. As a person hallucinate, the person
would
become less interested in learning as they would become too preoccupied
with
their hallucination. So their IQ would decrease especially in taking an
IQ
exam where their concentration ability would be less than normal. So
this
makes sense. But a person IQ should return to normal when they no
longer
hallucinate as there is nothing wrong with their brain phyiscally.
It's quite possible that hallucination causes brain damage. Sleep
deprivation will lead to hallucination, and will eventually kill you,
so it seems likely that physical damage starts at some point.
-----------
Do you mean sleep deprivation can kill you in the sense if someone was
driving and got into an accident?
I don't believe hallucination can lead to physical brain damage. There
are
people who do marijuana or other types of drugs and when it is out of
their
system, they don't have brain damage.
I know several people who were on speed (amphetamine or meth or
pervetine) who still suffer from the brain damage these drugs caused.
Some of them are still in a mental facility. I have seen that LSD can
also cause permanent brain damage. One person committed suicide,
another tried several times. So can drug abuse cause a mental
condition? Yes, it can very well.
These people had physical brain damage from taking drugs? Where is the
proof?
I'm talking about hallucination does not lead to brain damage.
Your full of BS. Why do you keep responding?
[/quote:db2c4c7135]
Apparently they have. The prove is there behavior.
It wasn't to you that I responded, moron. I responded to Evil's Toy.
Why do YOU keep posting your insane preconceptions?
Peter
"These people believe the souls of fried space aliens inhabit their
bodies and hold soup cans to get rid of them.
I should care what they think?"
- Valerie Emmanuel
http://www.scamofscientology.nl |
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| DP... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:20 pm |
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"Peter Schilte" <peterschilte at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote:ad6c66eec7]On 3 okt, 06:53, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Piet de Arcilla" <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:51e2f55a-8ebb-40e8-8148-a90901df9e5f at (no spam) o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 1, 12:49 am, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
I would tend to agree with this. As a person hallucinate, the person
would
become less interested in learning as they would become too preoccupied
with
their hallucination. So their IQ would decrease especially in taking an
IQ
exam where their concentration ability would be less than normal. So
this
makes sense. But a person IQ should return to normal when they no
longer
hallucinate as there is nothing wrong with their brain phyiscally.
It's quite possible that hallucination causes brain damage. Sleep
deprivation will lead to hallucination, and will eventually kill you,
so it seems likely that physical damage starts at some point.
-----------
Do you mean sleep deprivation can kill you in the sense if someone was
driving and got into an accident?
I don't believe hallucination can lead to physical brain damage. There
are
people who do marijuana or other types of drugs and when it is out of
their
system, they don't have brain damage.
I know several people who were on speed (amphetamine or meth or
pervetine) who still suffer from the brain damage these drugs caused.
Some of them are still in a mental facility. I have seen that LSD can
also cause permanent brain damage. One person committed suicide,
another tried several times. So can drug abuse cause a mental
condition? Yes, it can very well.
These people had physical brain damage from taking drugs? Where is the[/quote:ad6c66eec7]
proof?
I'm talking about hallucination does not lead to brain damage.
Your full of BS. Why do you keep responding? |
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