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| DP... |
 Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:01 pm |
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Jesus would be diagnosed schizohprenic today.
Moses would be diagnosed schizophrenic today.
Any "voice" from God would be diagnosed schizophrenic today.
And the diagnoses would probably be correct!
Psychiatry is the new religion.
Psychiatry is based on medical science, and is thus constantly
evolving.
Yes, there have been abuses in psychiatry, but the same is true of
$cientology - and probably more so. $cientology is openly claimed to
be
a "religion", but is really a profit motivated, brainwashing cult.
Ironically, the few good things in $cientology, such as dianetic
psychotherapy, were taken by con-man L. Ron Flubbard from the original
work of psychologists Freud and Korzybski.
Cult fanatics in glass houses should not be throwing stones!
Why do you keep writing Scientology with a $ sign...you think they are
after money. BUT I wrote it would be more PROFITABLE to be PRO
psychiatry.
L. Ron Hubbard was a megalomaniac - he was a would-be god in the
"religion
angle" for profit and power above all else. If he had any altruistic
motives for coming up with dianetics, they did not last long at all!
So if someone was in it for profit, being PRO psychiatry would be easier
as
they won't have to waste resources on being AGAINST psychiatry.
--www.destroypsychiatry.org
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You know from what I can tell, Scientology is no more a scam than any
other religion. The only reason why people don't see it as ligit is
because it isn't_old_. If you look at it on its merits, it is just as
much a load of nonsense as all the others.
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Let just say nobody is perfect. The problem with psychiatry is that it is
based on lies and they have degree to legitimize what they do. They can
diagnosis anyone of your religious figures as schizophrenic. |
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| Brainstormer... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:32 am |
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That is not true. Jesus had a large following. He wasn't
"hyperreligious" -- having more (hyper) religion than a
human being can process mentally. The
same thing goes for Moses.
Check out this book:
http://telicalbooks.com/hyperreligiosity.html
Hyperreligiosity: Identifying and Overcoming Patterns of Religious
Dysfunction
"In the midst of the growing 'Amusement Park' mentality of today's
spiritual movements, one man has been brave enough to address the
dangers involved in being a seeker. Mr. Pearson does not come across
as an opponent to religion but seems to speak to us from the heart.
Every person claiming to be a student of spirituality should have this
volume on their bookshelf!
Lisa Miller On “Hyperreligiosity”
There is a timely nature of this work, as religious extremism is in
the news every night. The author's hope is that the ideas in this book
will become assimilated so that people drawn to acting out in
religious extremism will have other perspectives to consider.
This book is instrumental for understanding why people join
destructive cults. This book bridges the gap between psychological
understanding and the spiritual drive. Each one done separately is
usually disregarded by the audience drawn more to the other. That is,
people writing on a secular psychological level do not always take
into account historically important spiritual goals. But the most
dangerous situation is when people with a religious drive are not
instructed on the dangers of what can happen to people who are very
religious and have some imbalances. This book describes how these
imbalances manifest and how they can be overcome.
Psychologists can't agree on the spelling of the mental illness known
as hyperreligiosity. It can either be spelled as, "hyper-
religiousity," "hyper-religiosity," "hyperreligiosity," or
"hyperreligiousity," and each spelling is used in google by doctors.
Hyperreligiosity is at the root of the need to join destructive cults
and blinds people to the goals of true spirituality. This book
examines the root causes of why a person can believe that a small
group can be the only one to have the answer to the greatest questions
on earth.
Hyperreligiosity is the ill-fitting grasp of the role of religion and
God in one's life. It is the disability that can lead to killing in
the name of God, or isolation from others in the name of religion. One
often sees reports in the news about people who have done various
criminal acts because they believe they were guided by God to do so.
The tone of this work is at once both psychological and spiritual. The
author himself had hyperreligious traits but went on to live a normal
life, graduating from a secular university and starting, and
maintaining for over twelve years, a software company. He uses basic
language that draws on psychology to construct an analysis of the
problem that takes into account the many positive aspects of religion.
Click here to read the press release.
Order a full length pdf ebook copy here.
Please see the work on The Experience of Hallucinations in Religious
Practice for a similar book by the same author and for more
information that pertains to the style of this book.
Here is the introduction from the book: "Hyperreligiosity: Identifying
and Overcoming Patterns of Religious Dysfunction."
I must state first of all that I am not a psychiatrist and this work
falls under the realm of "anecdotal evidence." Anecdotal evidence is
nonetheless known to be very important in medical science. In no way
should a person who was diagnosed as hyperreligious by a psychiatrist
or psychologist look at this work as being a substitute for adequate
psychiatric or psychological help. I believe it is fitting that
someone who was once diagnosed as hyperreligious should write a book
on this subject rather than someone with no religious belief. A person
who has no religious belief cannot understand the gray areas where the
religious person makes certain important actions, which may be seen as
sacrifices, for the benefit of their belief structure.
Hyperreligiosity is the ill-fitting grasp of the role of religion and
God in one's life. It is the disability that can lead to killing in
the name of God, or isolation from others in the name of religion.
Hyperreligiosity happens most often when one thinks that they know the
mind of God, and that one can know all the ways of God. The bible is
one of the scriptures of the major world religions that clearly states
this is impossible. There are psychological reasons why a person with
hyperreligiosity needs to have the assurance that they know the
complete mind of God. This book will explore some of them and some
possible ways out of the dysfunctions of hyperreligiosity.
This is a very difficult work to write because religion often does
great things for people that cannot be easily measured by society.
There has been a duality occurring in some therapeutic communities of
those who might be termed "hyperreligious" by some psychiatrists and
therapists and those who have spent many years in therapy and do not
fall under this judgment. Psychiatry often admits it can't cure
people. The very nature of being a part of the community of a local
church on a weekly basis, year after year, is a consistent social
achievement beyond some people's reach. Socializing with the same
group of people on a regular basis is often more than what some who
resort to psychiatry alone can say they have done.
It is hard writing a book on hyperreligiosity when you yourself know
that you have aspects of it. The worse thing for the hyperreligious is
to feel that they are somehow causing another person to be less
religious. Instead, in solving the problem of hyperreligiosity in a
person, one opens that person up for true religion, or better, true
spirituality. At times, in discussing one's hyperreligiosity, one may
seem like one is trying to sound like a saint. But when one sees the
problems associated with it, the listener begins to perceive that this
is not the case. One begins to wonder how good of a life this is that
we have chosen.
This book is in no way an attempt to help people become less religious
or spirituality-centered in their thinking. In fact, it is the
opposite, an attempt to empower spiritual people away from the
disempowering ideas found along the spiritual path. The word
"hyperreligious" seems like it might seem to mean "very religious" or
"ultra spiritual" in the way that we picture the qualities of a
superhero. Hyperreligiosity can happen when the outer form that true
spirituality flows through becomes distorted to the extent that it
becomes the sole focus. Instead of people being more loving, helpful
to others, and filled with what they experience as God's nature to
help them in their life, they become suspicious, isolated, and full of
an untrue image of God that they can mold to their personal desires.
A type of hyperreligiosity can also happen when political groups use
religious beliefs as a dividing line in the exercise of power, as a
way to build sides so that other aims can be achieved. Hence political
leaders in the past have called on the demon that is hyperreligiosity
to awaken in the people so that war could be more easily approved.
When hyperreligiousity does not exist in a person, there usually has
to be very, very strong reasons to justify war to a human being,
especially one that concerns oneself with religious thinking.
Hyperreligiosity produces painful results in the way other mental
illnesses produce painful results. It is the mental illness that seems
officially sanctioned by God to the person who has it. It can be
difficult reading this subject matter if you have been afflicted by
hyperreligiosity in any way. One may begin to feel anger, even
negativity. Temporarily, this state can be a better place to be. It is
taking the chance at maturing as an adult, instead being caught up in
acting out the biblical admonition of being "like little children" to
not just God in heaven, but to everyone, in every circumstance.
If there is a better understanding of hyperreligiosity, many of the
problems of the world can be further solved. But for a religious
person to even admit the term "hyperreligiosity" is a valid term, is
itself difficult. People talk about the changes that need to take
place as changes in the heart, but religious texts such as the bible,
do not limit it in such a way. There needs to be a growth of wisdom, a
growth of intellectual understanding of truth, for the world to
change. Understanding that religious action is not always fruitful is
a part of that knowledge and in fact much of the bible itself
discusses this.
My disclaimer to this book is that if a person's religion brings them
to a state of being that one becomes like a Mother Teresa or an Albert
Schweitzer, and truly helps many other people, that is wonderful. I
would never make an argument against that type of behavior, only
encourage it. I believe it is such individuals that caused the
evolution of humanity throughout time.
This work examines not so much how religion works miraculously in some
people's lives, but instead focuses on when it works disastrously in
others. I would be just as happy to write about religion's virtues
because I strongly believe in religion and its ability to produce all
the virtues. I noticed that there is not much written on this subject
of religious mental illness by people who still uphold religious
beliefs. I am in no way trying to make people "less religious" who
have hyperreligiosity. Making Mother Teresa less religious probably
would have also made her less helpful to the starving people of India.
The aim is to find a way to free what religion actually is about and
to know what is the form of mental illness and societal dysfunction
that hides in a religious costume. The result will be freeing those
with sincere religious desires to become more active in following the
true spiritual life. There will be no limit to the time or money
commitment such a life may have, but it will be free from the
psychological shackles that this book describes.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:41 pm |
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"Brainstormer" <paramindsoftware at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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That is not true. Jesus had a large following. He wasn't
"hyperreligious" -- having more (hyper) religion than a
human being can process mentally. The
same thing goes for Moses.
Check out this book:
http://telicalbooks.com/hyperreligiosity.html
There are psychological reasons why a person with
hyperreligiosity needs to have the assurance that they know the
complete mind of God. This book will explore some of them and some
possible ways out of the dysfunctions of hyperreligiosity.
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How can any human being possibly know the complete mind of God? You can then
be god or god-like. What is this guy smoking?
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