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| Roadrunner... |
 Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:39 am |
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On 26 Sep, 08:00, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:c79b3c1afd]On Sep 24, 1:40 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Sep, 07:29, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 23, 6:45 pm, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Modern psychiatry is a medical hoax," said Mike Adams, author of Natural
Health Solutions and the Conspiracy to Keep You From Knowing About Them.
"The financial success of the psychiatric industry is almost entirely based
on diagnosing people with fictitious disorders, then prescribing overpriced,
patented synthetic chemicals to treat those disorders. There is no
scientific merit whatsoever to most of what goes on in psychiatry today.
Children are being routinely exploided by drug companies to generate
profits, not health."
pot, meet kettle. Like people aren't making profits from bogus
"natural remedies".
The difference is that psychiatry is government supported, and thus
tax money is spent there. This creates a totally different situation.
How dare you compare that with natural methods...
Oh yes, "natural methods" are government supported! They are not
_regulated_ however, nearly as much as pharmaceuticals.
[/quote:c79b3c1afd]
Well, well, thus your medical insurance will cover them and pay for
them. That's a new one! I guess I have met too many persons that had
to pay it all themselves or take the no charge prescribed drugs (or
something).
RR
[quote:c79b3c1afd]
There's a basic rule you should keep in mind: if it exists, the U.S.
government funds it.
Here is a link to the website of the part of the NIH that supports
"natural health solutions":
They're called "The National Center for Complementary and Alternative
Medicine"http://nccam.nih.gov/[/quote:c79b3c1afd] |
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| Piet de Arcilla... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:57 am |
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On Sep 27, 8:33 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:536aa935ee]But every facet of mental variation must have a physical basis,
regardless of whether we say it's "bad" or "pathological" or
"biologically based" or blame the victim, or God's will, or pass some
other judgement.
The physical is not our basis...
[/quote:536aa935ee]
The mind is a manifestation of physical reality. You can't get your
brain drunk without your mind being drunk too. You can't drill a hole
in your head without affecting your mind. Go ahead and try it. |
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| Piet de Arcilla... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:02 am |
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On Sep 27, 8:33 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:25f2178b34]Just because sometimes a diagnosis is subjective because people fall
in a gray area doesn't mean that other cases aren't clear cut.
Then these clearcut examples should be forwarded and examined.
[/quote:25f2178b34]
You're crossposting to alt.support.schizophrenia! Why don't you try
reading it for a while if you want examples? |
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| Piet de Arcilla... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:05 am |
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On Sep 27, 8:39 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:df8292693e]On 26 Sep, 08:00, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 24, 1:40 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Sep, 07:29, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 23, 6:45 pm, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Modern psychiatry is a medical hoax," said Mike Adams, author of Natural
Health Solutions and the Conspiracy to Keep You From Knowing About Them.
"The financial success of the psychiatric industry is almost entirely based
on diagnosing people with fictitious disorders, then prescribing overpriced,
patented synthetic chemicals to treat those disorders. There is no
scientific merit whatsoever to most of what goes on in psychiatry today.
Children are being routinely exploided by drug companies to generate
profits, not health."
pot, meet kettle. Like people aren't making profits from bogus
"natural remedies".
The difference is that psychiatry is government supported, and thus
tax money is spent there. This creates a totally different situation.
How dare you compare that with natural methods...
Oh yes, "natural methods" are government supported! They are not
_regulated_ however, nearly as much as pharmaceuticals.
Well, well, thus your medical insurance will cover them and pay for
them.
[/quote:df8292693e]
Not necessarily. The government funding appears to be for research. |
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| Roadrunner... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:57 am |
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On 27 Sep, 21:57, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:aae53de853]On Sep 27, 8:33 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
But every facet of mental variation must have a physical basis,
regardless of whether we say it's "bad" or "pathological" or
"biologically based" or blame the victim, or God's will, or pass some
other judgement.
The physical is not our basis...
The mind is a manifestation of physical reality. You can't get your
brain drunk without your mind being drunk too. You can't drill a hole
in your head without affecting your mind. Go ahead and try it.
[/quote:aae53de853]
Works both ways. This is the old question what was first, the egg or
the chicken... A simple calculation however reveals that before
anything is done in the physical universe it has been in the mind.
Then energy existed before the physical. Try to establish something
constructive in the physical universe without having a sketch of some
sort in your mind, it will not work.
RR |
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| Roadrunner... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:00 pm |
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On 27 Sep, 22:05, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:7ddb90588c]On Sep 27, 8:39 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 26 Sep, 08:00, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 24, 1:40 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Sep, 07:29, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 23, 6:45 pm, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Modern psychiatry is a medical hoax," said Mike Adams, author of Natural
Health Solutions and the Conspiracy to Keep You From Knowing About Them.
"The financial success of the psychiatric industry is almost entirely based
on diagnosing people with fictitious disorders, then prescribing overpriced,
patented synthetic chemicals to treat those disorders. There is no
scientific merit whatsoever to most of what goes on in psychiatry today.
Children are being routinely exploided by drug companies to generate
profits, not health."
pot, meet kettle. Like people aren't making profits from bogus
"natural remedies".
The difference is that psychiatry is government supported, and thus
tax money is spent there. This creates a totally different situation.
How dare you compare that with natural methods...
Oh yes, "natural methods" are government supported! They are not
_regulated_ however, nearly as much as pharmaceuticals.
Well, well, thus your medical insurance will cover them and pay for
them.
Not necessarily. The government funding appears to be for research.
[/quote:7ddb90588c]
Well, I haven't seen much of that here in Europe... if any at all...
You take the pill or you pay it yourself.
RR |
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| DP... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:06 pm |
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"Roadrunner" <roadrunner.enigma at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4d39fb31-93ea-4700-8b32-bb574b912e0c at (no spam) f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On 27 Sep, 21:57, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:df15914bb3]On Sep 27, 8:33 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
But every facet of mental variation must have a physical basis,
regardless of whether we say it's "bad" or "pathological" or
"biologically based" or blame the victim, or God's will, or pass some
other judgement.
The physical is not our basis...
The mind is a manifestation of physical reality. You can't get your
brain drunk without your mind being drunk too. You can't drill a hole
in your head without affecting your mind. Go ahead and try it.
[/quote:df15914bb3]
Works both ways. This is the old question what was first, the egg or
the chicken... A simple calculation however reveals that before
anything is done in the physical universe it has been in the mind.
Then energy existed before the physical. Try to establish something
constructive in the physical universe without having a sketch of some
sort in your mind, it will not work.
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That is interesting the egg or the chicken. If a chicken already exists then
it's a chicken so it must be the egg that came first.
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| Roadrunner... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:48 am |
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On 28 Sep, 01:06, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
[quote:d746915b98]"Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4d39fb31-93ea-4700-8b32-bb574b912e0c at (no spam) f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On 27 Sep, 21:57, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 27, 8:33 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
But every facet of mental variation must have a physical basis,
regardless of whether we say it's "bad" or "pathological" or
"biologically based" or blame the victim, or God's will, or pass some
other judgement.
The physical is not our basis...
The mind is a manifestation of physical reality. You can't get your
brain drunk without your mind being drunk too. You can't drill a hole
in your head without affecting your mind. Go ahead and try it.
Works both ways. This is the old question what was first, the egg or
the chicken... A simple calculation however reveals that before
anything is done in the physical universe it has been in the mind.
Then energy existed before the physical. Try to establish something
constructive in the physical universe without having a sketch of some
sort in your mind, it will not work.
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That is interesting the egg or the chicken. If a chicken already exists then
it's a chicken so it must be the egg that came first.
[/quote:d746915b98]
And what lay the egg....?
RR
[quote:d746915b98]
--www.destroypsychiatry.org[/quote:d746915b98] |
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| Piet de Arcilla... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:13 pm |
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On Sep 28, 11:48 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:399a4cbc0e]On 28 Sep, 01:06, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4d39fb31-93ea-4700-8b32-bb574b912e0c at (no spam) f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com....
On 27 Sep, 21:57, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 27, 8:33 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
But every facet of mental variation must have a physical basis,
regardless of whether we say it's "bad" or "pathological" or
"biologically based" or blame the victim, or God's will, or pass some
other judgement.
The physical is not our basis...
The mind is a manifestation of physical reality. You can't get your
brain drunk without your mind being drunk too. You can't drill a hole
in your head without affecting your mind. Go ahead and try it.
Works both ways. This is the old question what was first, the egg or
the chicken... A simple calculation however reveals that before
anything is done in the physical universe it has been in the mind.
Then energy existed before the physical. Try to establish something
constructive in the physical universe without having a sketch of some
sort in your mind, it will not work.
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That is interesting the egg or the chicken. If a chicken already exists then
it's a chicken so it must be the egg that came first.
And what lay the egg....?
[/quote:399a4cbc0e]
A prehistoric bird that was not a chicken yet. |
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| DP... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:57 pm |
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"Roadrunner" <roadrunner.enigma at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bd474dc8-7fd1-47c3-9c1d-bbeda65bcc08 at (no spam) p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
[quote:2930ca9ff6]On 28 Sep, 01:06, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4d39fb31-93ea-4700-8b32-bb574b912e0c at (no spam) f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On 27 Sep, 21:57, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 27, 8:33 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
But every facet of mental variation must have a physical basis,
regardless of whether we say it's "bad" or "pathological" or
"biologically based" or blame the victim, or God's will, or pass
some
other judgement.
The physical is not our basis...
The mind is a manifestation of physical reality. You can't get your
brain drunk without your mind being drunk too. You can't drill a hole
in your head without affecting your mind. Go ahead and try it.
Works both ways. This is the old question what was first, the egg or
the chicken... A simple calculation however reveals that before
anything is done in the physical universe it has been in the mind.
Then energy existed before the physical. Try to establish something
constructive in the physical universe without having a sketch of some
sort in your mind, it will not work.
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That is interesting the egg or the chicken. If a chicken already exists
then
it's a chicken so it must be the egg that came first.
And what lay the egg....?
It can't be a chicken because it would then be a chicken.[/quote:2930ca9ff6]
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| DP... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:09 pm |
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"Piet de Arcilla" <dearcilla at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fadeee3-70e1-4a47-b847-95d3085c12d3 at (no spam) z24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 28, 11:48 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:4ae141c79e]On 28 Sep, 01:06, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4d39fb31-93ea-4700-8b32-bb574b912e0c at (no spam) f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On 27 Sep, 21:57, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 27, 8:33 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
But every facet of mental variation must have a physical basis,
regardless of whether we say it's "bad" or "pathological" or
"biologically based" or blame the victim, or God's will, or pass
some
other judgement.
The physical is not our basis...
The mind is a manifestation of physical reality. You can't get your
brain drunk without your mind being drunk too. You can't drill a hole
in your head without affecting your mind. Go ahead and try it.
Works both ways. This is the old question what was first, the egg or
the chicken... A simple calculation however reveals that before
anything is done in the physical universe it has been in the mind.
Then energy existed before the physical. Try to establish something
constructive in the physical universe without having a sketch of some
sort in your mind, it will not work.
---------------
That is interesting the egg or the chicken. If a chicken already exists
then
it's a chicken so it must be the egg that came first.
And what lay the egg....?
[/quote:4ae141c79e]
A prehistoric bird that was not a chicken yet.
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Right, because a chicken just can't magically appear. |
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| Mike Thomas... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:33 pm |
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[quote:62a16a57f4]On 28 Sep, 01:06, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4d39fb31-93ea-4700-8b32-bb574b912e0c at (no spam) f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On 27 Sep, 21:57, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 27, 8:33 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
But every facet of mental variation must have a physical basis,
regardless of whether we say it's "bad" or "pathological" or
"biologically based" or blame the victim, or God's will, or pass some
other judgement.
The physical is not our basis...
The mind is a manifestation of physical reality. You can't get your
brain drunk without your mind being drunk too. You can't drill a hole
in your head without affecting your mind. Go ahead and try it.
Works both ways. This is the old question what was first, the egg or
the chicken... A simple calculation however reveals that before
anything is done in the physical universe it has been in the mind.
Then energy existed before the physical. Try to establish something
constructive in the physical universe without having a sketch of some
sort in your mind, it will not work.
---------------
That is interesting the egg or the chicken. If a chicken already exists then
it's a chicken so it must be the egg that came first.
And what lay the egg....?
RR
--www.destroypsychiatry.org
A number of events could have occurred. My knowledge on this is somewhat[/quote:62a16a57f4]
limited but I believe that an evolution of DNA has probably taken place
at some point, and since DNA is modified before birth it's most likely
that a mutation must have taken place at conception or within the egg.
That process could make a species similar to a chicken, that most likely
laid the first chicken egg. If this is the case both the chicken and the
egg evolved simultaneously.
Another possibility is that two similar species that were not chickens,
but similar bred and had a hybrid offspring that was a chicken, in this
scenario the egg comes first.
Another possibility is that God created everything so the chicken would
have to come first.
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| Roadrunner... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:37 pm |
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On 29 Sep, 01:13, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:6780b61240]On Sep 28, 11:48 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 28 Sep, 01:06, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4d39fb31-93ea-4700-8b32-bb574b912e0c at (no spam) f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com....
On 27 Sep, 21:57, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 27, 8:33 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
But every facet of mental variation must have a physical basis,
regardless of whether we say it's "bad" or "pathological" or
"biologically based" or blame the victim, or God's will, or pass some
other judgement.
The physical is not our basis...
The mind is a manifestation of physical reality. You can't get your
brain drunk without your mind being drunk too. You can't drill a hole
in your head without affecting your mind. Go ahead and try it.
Works both ways. This is the old question what was first, the egg or
the chicken... A simple calculation however reveals that before
anything is done in the physical universe it has been in the mind.
Then energy existed before the physical. Try to establish something
constructive in the physical universe without having a sketch of some
sort in your mind, it will not work.
---------------
That is interesting the egg or the chicken. If a chicken already exists then
it's a chicken so it must be the egg that came first.
And what lay the egg....?
A prehistoric bird that was not a chicken yet.
[/quote:6780b61240]
I guess you have no arguments left, you are drifting away from the
issues proposed and not answering them. You are after all just a
theorist then...
RR |
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| Miki... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:09 am |
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On Sep 28, 7:13 pm, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:232408560d]On Sep 28, 11:48 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
That is interesting the egg or the chicken. If a chicken already exists then
it's a chicken so it must be the egg that came first.
And what lay the egg....?
A prehistoric bird that was not a chicken yet.
[/quote:232408560d]
I read somewhere that this is the prevalent scientific view right now.
A pre-chicken can lay a chicken egg, but a chicken can't hatch out of
a pre-chicken egg.
Miki |
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| DP... |
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"Piet de Arcilla" <dearcilla at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 26, 9:15 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:e7f0921e6a]On 26 Sep, 07:47, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 25, 1:43 pm, Barbara loves Marty
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On Sep 24, 9:32 am, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Sep, 09:24, Rufus <saintinoure... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 24, 2:40 pm, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
On 24 Sep, 07:29, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 23, 6:45 pm, "DP" <d... at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
"Modern psychiatry is a medical hoax," said Mike Adams,
author of Natural
Health Solutions and the Conspiracy to Keep You From Knowing
About Them.
"The financial success of the psychiatric industry is almost
entirely based
on diagnosing people with fictitious disorders, then
prescribing overpriced,
patented synthetic chemicals to treat those disorders. There
is no
scientific merit whatsoever to most of what goes on in
psychiatry today.
Children are being routinely exploided by drug companies to
generate
profits, not health."
pot, meet kettle. Like people aren't making profits from bogus
"natural remedies".
The difference is that psychiatry is government supported, and
thus
tax money is spent there. This creates a totally different
situation.
How dare you compare that with natural methods...
RR
So you don't have a problem with the word bogus being applied,
just
where the money comes from then. :-)
Incorrect conclusion. My response did not imply that. However,
government supported bogus is pretty bad, ain't that so?
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Original Dianetics shed the light on that psychiatry is a hoax. And
there is nothing natural about psychiatry, indeed. It is a chemical/
electrical cult who can't deal with critic. People who disagree with
psychs are deliberately wrongfully labeled by p$ychs with a mental
illness.
You're making the mistake of focusing on 'gray' and thereby deciding
that black and white don't exist or are indistinguishable.
Sorry, doesn't make sense...
[/quote:e7f0921e6a]
Just because sometimes a diagnosis is subjective because people fall
in a gray area doesn't mean that other cases aren't clear cut.
[quote:e7f0921e6a]You're also
making the mistake of dismissing facts based on the inadequacies of
the accepted theory in explaining those facts.
And at that you are stuck with theorizing instead of using and working
with that which has been observed and is established with its
practice. The subject of Scientology/Dianetics is a practical
philosophy and thus does not require this.
[/quote:e7f0921e6a]
You can't deny a fact by attacking a theory. Creationists try this all
the time, and they don't understand why it doesn't make sense. People
observe phenomena like gravity, evolution, and mental illness,
regardless of their theories.
[quote:e7f0921e6a]
There are plenty of people whose diagnosis is uncertain and
subjective, and there is little true knowledge of what mental illness
is.
That knowledge exists. It is however the theory of psychiatry that is
making a mess of it all. They send out 'cured' patients and time after
time they return after having committed the same crime. This is a
recorded fact. Also they wish to determine if some person that
committed a crime is suffering from some mental illness in cases where
it is evident that the person would be mentally disturbed. check your
newspapers...
[/quote:e7f0921e6a]
Well, mental illness is orthogonal to being a criminal. And there are
no cures, because no one knows the root causes.
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That is exactly the point. Nobody knows the cause yet they claim to have the
medication to treat it. Isn't it strange? The belief of mine is that it is
man made that is why we do not KNOW the root cause. It is a deception.
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