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| DP... |
 Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:53 pm |
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"Other eye-popping interviews with mental health experts include the claim
from Dr. Jerrold Rosenbaum, chairman of the Department of Psychopharmacology
at Massachusetts General Hospital, that nobody in the mental health industry
knows why, or how, psychiatric drugs work--even in cases in which they are
alleged to be effective."
Source:http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6878/is_4_11/ai_n28435519/
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| Piet de Arcilla... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:53 pm |
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On Sep 21, 8:48 pm, Skipper <skipSPAMpr... at (no spam) yahoo.not> wrote:
[quote:b4e40ec56b]WRONG.
http://www.brainphysics.com/howprozacworks.php
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Saying it is an SSRI is not explaining how it acts on mental illness,
because mental illness is not defined in terms of, say, having "too
much serotonin". We only assume mental illness involves serotonin
because the so-called SSRIs seem to have an effect.
Here's a cute quote:
"the fact that aspirin cures headaches does not prove that headaches
are due to low levels of aspirin in the brain."
http://phineasgage.wordpress.com/2007/04/20/death-to-the-serotonin-hypothesis/
Then too, calling something an SSRI doesn't define its behavior
totally, nor does it guarantee that it really only interacts with the
serotonin system. If that was true, then how could there be different
SSRI drugs with different behavior and side effects?
So, no, we don't have any idea how they work. |
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| eightnonos... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:01 pm |
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It is incorrect to say below that, "So, no, we don't have any idea how
they work." We do have an idea how they work.
There are many areas of the body where Serotonin has a function,
including but not limited to other parts of the nervous system. It
typically has the same function, but with different results.
Stimulation of nerve cells produces different results in different
tissue. SSRI's work for the most part specifically in the brain, but
there can be some adverse reactions in the body as the drug might have
some minor effects in other areas of the nervous system. Thus there
is added difficulty in trying to produce a medication which targets
one area/one result.
They are just beginning to understand how biochemistry can help and
eventually become more effective. They are just now beginning to
really understand how the brain works in great detail.
Remember we had to send messages via morse code 100 years ago over
wire, and a lot of people still rode on horseback.
On Sep 21, 7:40 pm, Piet de Arcilla <dearci... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:e6365ac7a1]On Sep 21, 8:48 pm, Skipper <skipSPAMpr... at (no spam) yahoo.not> wrote:
WRONG.
http://www.brainphysics.com/howprozacworks.php
Saying it is an SSRI is not explaining how it acts on mental illness,
because mental illness is not defined in terms of, say, having "too
much serotonin". We only assume mental illness involves serotonin
because the so-called SSRIs seem to have an effect.
Here's a cute quote:
"the fact that aspirin cures headaches does not prove that headaches
are due to low levels of aspirin in the brain."
http://phineasgage.wordpress.com/2007/04/20/death-to-the-serotonin-hy...
Then too, calling something an SSRI doesn't define its behavior
totally, nor does it guarantee that it really only interacts with the
serotonin system. If that was true, then how could there be different
SSRI drugs with different behavior and side effects?
So, no, we don't have any idea how they work.[/quote:e6365ac7a1] |
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| Skipper... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:48 pm |
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WRONG.
http://www.brainphysics.com/howprozacworks.php
In article <006623c0$0$24428$c3e8da3 at (no spam) news.astraweb.com>, DP
<dp at (no spam) destroypsychiatry.org> wrote:
[quote:2c6101efec]"Other eye-popping interviews with mental health experts include the claim
from Dr. Jerrold Rosenbaum, chairman of the Department of Psychopharmacology
at Massachusetts General Hospital, that nobody in the mental health industry
knows why, or how, psychiatric drugs work--even in cases in which they are
alleged to be effective."
Source:http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6878/is_4_11/ai_n28435519/[/quote:2c6101efec] |
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| Piet de Arcilla... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:34 pm |
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On Sep 22, 12:01 am, eightnonos <eightno... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:4980e2a4f4]It is incorrect to say below that, "So, no, we don't have any idea how
they work." We do have an idea how they work.
There are many areas of the body where Serotonin has a function,
[/quote:4980e2a4f4]
Chemicals do not have _a_ function in the body, because the human body
was not designed by an engineer. You sound like a creationist.
[quote:4980e2a4f4]including but not limited to other parts of the nervous system. It
typically has the same function, but with different results.
Stimulation of nerve cells produces different results in different
tissue. SSRI's work for the most part specifically in the brain, but
there can be some adverse reactions in the body as the drug might have
some minor effects in other areas of the nervous system.
[/quote:4980e2a4f4]
The effects can be _far_ from "minor". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome
[quote:4980e2a4f4]Thus there
is added difficulty in trying to produce a medication which targets
one area/one result.
[/quote:4980e2a4f4]
I think that the drugs that exist are quite targeted and focused, but
they do not produce dramatic results; instead they are just _slightly_
better than placebo, and at best, you get gradual improvement over a
long time, which is obviously not compatible with the hypothesis that
the immediate chemical environment is determinative of depression or
psychosis. It must be that the drugs somehow slightly stimulate
neurons to grow in some way that's helpful, if you're lucky.
[quote:4980e2a4f4] They are just beginning to understand how biochemistry can help and
eventually become more effective. They are just now beginning to
really understand how the brain works in great detail.
[/quote:4980e2a4f4]
Now you sound like you're agreeing that we don't know much. |
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