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| Richard Crowley... |
 Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:07 am |
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"Ken" wrote ...
[quote:ca923368d9]"TKM" wrote:
Outlook Express works fine as a newsreader.
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Agree that Outlook Express works great as a newsreader. I continue
to use it even after trying all the leading contenders.
[quote:ca923368d9]Almost
http://www.google.se/search?q=quotefix
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Frankly, Quotefix is turning out to be more trouble than it's worth.
My installation didn't include the apparently required graphics icons
for the emoticons, so I just get the red-x "missing graphic" icon to
replace any emoticon in the message. Wasn't clear from the web-
site where to get these images or where to install them. And besides,
it installs YET ANNOTHER resident process to further slow down
my machine. I think I'll be dumping it for negative cost/benefit. |
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| Carnations... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:21 pm |
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On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:35:13 -0400, Victor Roberts wrote:
[quote:e78ad1c855]This is enough to
kill the interest of 95% of computer users.
[/quote:e78ad1c855]
That is enough to prove they are NOT computer users - if they can't even drive an email client!
Sorry, but I truly dislike having to compensate for PEBKAK errors.
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"Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean" |
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| Christopher Jahn... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:10 pm |
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"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley at (no spam) xp7rt.net> wrote in
news:7i4bmtF30di88U1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net:
[quote:b2c7b1456b]"Ken" wrote ...
"TKM" wrote:
Outlook Express works fine as a newsreader.
Agree that Outlook Express works great as a newsreader. I
continue to use it even after trying all the leading
contenders.
Almost
http://www.google.se/search?q=quotefix
Frankly, Quotefix is turning out to be more trouble than it's
worth. My installation didn't include the apparently required
graphics icons for the emoticons, so I just get the red-x
"missing graphic" icon to replace any emoticon in the message.
Wasn't clear from the web- site where to get these images or
where to install them. And besides, it installs YET ANNOTHER
resident process to further slow down my machine. I think
I'll be dumping it for negative cost/benefit.
[/quote:b2c7b1456b]
Switch to Xnews. It's easy, once you get it setup. Quick and
clean, you can keep it on a thumb-drive.
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} Christopher Jahn
{ http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
You're never alone with schizophrenia. |
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| Richard Crowley... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:57 pm |
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"Victor Roberts" wrote ...
[quote:7a5c2f1ea9]After thinking about my original post, I now believe that
Google Groups may be the best choice for new and casual
participants in sci.engr.lighting. I know that the user
interface for Google Groups is terrible, but to use any
newsreader, even one people may already have installed on
their computers, such as Outlook Express or Thunderbird,
requires people to figure out the address of their ISP's
NewsServer, and then configure the newsreader, assuming even
that they know that Outlook Express and Thunderbird have
newsreader capabilities. This is enough to kill the
interest of 95% of computer users.
[/quote:7a5c2f1ea9]
So instead, Google makes posting to Usenet newsgroups available
to every slimeball spammer on the planet. Furthermore, they actually
encourage spamming from their other products like Blogspot and
Youtube, et.al. Remember also that more and more Usenet users
are simply filtering everything from Google Groups (and/or people
with a gmail address) as an effective spam-blocking technique.
Note that it takes 5-10 minutes at most to configure even Outlook
Express to connect to independent news services like Eternal-
September or Individual.net, etc. |
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| TimR... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:06 am |
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On Sep 25, 5:35 pm, Victor Roberts <x... at (no spam) lighting-research.com> wrote:
[quote:570a4fb2f1]
Outlook Express works fine as a newsreader.
Not really. It can be used as one, but it is rife with flaws.
After thinking about my original post, I now believe that
Google Groups may be the best choice for new and casual
participants in sci.engr.lighting. I know that the user
interface for Google Groups is terrible, but to use any
newsreader, even one people may already have installed on
their computers, such as Outlook Express or Thunderbird,
requires people to figure out the address of their ISP's
NewsServer, and then configure the newsreader, assuming even
that they know that Outlook Express and Thunderbird have
newsreader capabilities. This is enough to kill the
interest of 95% of computer users.
I already know I'm going to take a lot of heat for this
comment, but I'm interested to see how bad the comments
really are :-)
[/quote:570a4fb2f1]
My home internet is through Comcast cable along with my television.
I use Google because it requires only typing the URL.
I would be willing to make the experiment to try something else, I'm
not sure it is even possible? |
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| Duncan Wood... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:11 am |
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On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:21:29 +0100, Carnations <Beautiful at (no spam) carnations.com>
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[quote:63fd7ed4b9]On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:35:13 -0400, Victor Roberts wrote:
This is enough to
kill the interest of 95% of computer users.
That is enough to prove they are NOT computer users - if they can't even
drive an email client!
Sorry, but I truly dislike having to compensate for PEBKAK errors.
[/quote:63fd7ed4b9]
Are either of these groups about computing? |
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| Richard Crowley... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:14 am |
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TimR wrote:
[quote:bfb1eba895]My home internet is through Comcast cable along with my television.
I use Google because it requires only typing the URL.
I would be willing to make the experiment to try something else, I'm
not sure it is even possible?
[/quote:bfb1eba895]
It is possible. Thousands of people who have connectivity
via Comcast use proper news servers every hour.
A newsreader client doesn't even require "typing the URL". |
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| Richard Crowley... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:16 am |
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Victor Roberts wrote:
[quote:583684d0f4]Well, based on this post, I don't see any reason you should
change. The subject is intact, the message is threaded
properly on my newsreader and the message you are replying
to has been properly quoted. Why is it that your messages
look OK, while others from Google Groups do not?
Does AOL even have a news server?
[/quote:583684d0f4]
The question is irrelevant. News service can be accessed from
scores (hundreds?) of different providers online. It has nothing to
do with your ISP. |
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| Richard Crowley... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:21 pm |
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Victor Roberts wrote:
[quote:59d5cce012]"Richard Crowley" wrote:
The question is irrelevant. News service can be accessed from
scores (hundreds?) of different providers online. It has nothing to
do with your ISP.
Well, my ISP requires a username and password to use their
newsserver. I know that there are many other newsservers I
can choose to use if I am willing to pay for the privilege.
So, do you mean that there are "hundreds" of newsservers
that people can use for no additional charge, or that people
[/quote:59d5cce012]
For example here is a free news server that has been
mentioned here before (perhaps you missed it)....
http://www.eternal-september.org/
Many users who have had their ISP-provided news service
disappeared have switched to this provider and they all seem
quite satisfied. I can't remember hearing any complaints about it. |
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| Carnations... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:40 pm |
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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:11:47 +0100, Duncan Wood wrote:
[quote:0acf211f58]On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:21:29 +0100, Carnations
Beautiful at (no spam) carnations.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:35:13 -0400, Victor Roberts wrote:
This is enough to
kill the interest of 95% of computer users.
That is enough to prove they are NOT computer users - if they can't
even drive an email client!
Sorry, but I truly dislike having to compensate for PEBKAK errors.
Are either of these groups about computing?
[/quote:0acf211f58]
No. However, lighting software runs on top of computers, and all DMX equipment is digital (ie computer
based).  )
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"Filtering the Internet is like trying to boil the ocean" |
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| Richard Crowley... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:26 pm |
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Richard Crowley wrote:
[quote:30dc9811e8]Linked-In appears to be instantly useless. Searching for a
discussion group with the keyword "lighting" returns 238 different groups.
TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY-EIGHT!!! Displaying them at 10 per page, you will
have to slog through 24 web pages just to try to guess which ones look
promising.
But then, you can't just browse the group to see what the people and
postings are like, you must *join* the group first, which means "applying"
for membership and then *waiting* for the owner to "approve" your
"membership". Who knows how long that will take (or whether I will still
remember them by the time they get back to me
[/quote:30dc9811e8]
Applied to two groups earlier this week. Also sent a follow-up
message to each "group owner". Still have not received any
clue that either of these people are still alive or that the groups
are still operating. Not even an automated response. Very
underwhelming. Quite possibly even worse than Google. |
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| Christopher Jahn... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:57 am |
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TimR <timothy42b at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in
news:fe225440-ef06-4aac-8f3a-0bdab49199b0 at (no spam) a6g2000vbp.googlegroups
..com:
[quote:69ec9a1bbd]I would be willing to make the experiment to try something
else, I'm not sure it is even possible?
[/quote:69ec9a1bbd]
Sure it is. I'm on comcast.
Download the news reader of your choice
enter a news server - news.aioe.org is free, and doesn't require
registration.
The newsreader should prompt you for the rest.
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} Christopher Jahn
{ http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
Anything is good and useful if it's made of chocolate. |
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| Christopher Jahn... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:58 am |
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"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley at (no spam) xp7rt.net> wrote in
news:k6mdnUCv7IZUxiPXnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d at (no spam) posted.pcez:
[quote:1d304ed92d]Victor Roberts wrote:
"Richard Crowley" wrote:
The question is irrelevant. News service can be accessed
from scores (hundreds?) of different providers online. It
has nothing to do with your ISP.
Well, my ISP requires a username and password to use their
newsserver. I know that there are many other newsservers I
can choose to use if I am willing to pay for the privilege.
So, do you mean that there are "hundreds" of newsservers
that people can use for no additional charge, or that people
For example here is a free news server that has been
mentioned here before (perhaps you missed it)....
http://www.eternal-september.org/
[/quote:1d304ed92d]
You do have to register to get a login, but it's free.
--
} Christopher Jahn
{ http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
I hate myself to sleep at night |
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| Christopher Jahn... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:03 am |
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Christopher Jahn <xjahn at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:Xns9C935B14AB0E0xjahn at (no spam) 188.40.43.213:
[quote:99a128dca1]TimR <timothy42b at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in
news:fe225440-ef06-4aac-8f3a-0bdab49199b0
at (no spam) a6g2000vbp.googlegroups
.com:
I would be willing to make the experiment to try something
else, I'm not sure it is even possible?
Sure it is. I'm on comcast.
Download the news reader of your choice
enter a news server - news.aioe.org is free, and doesn't
require
registration.
The newsreader should prompt you for the rest.
[/quote:99a128dca1]
In the news server window, you type "nntp.aioe.org"
--
} Christopher Jahn
{ http://soflatheatre.blogspot.com/
And the less I seek my source for some definitive, closer I am
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| RickR... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:43 am |
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On Sep 26, 7:06 am, TimR <timothy... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote:c81159a7af]On Sep 25, 5:35 pm, Victor Roberts <x... at (no spam) lighting-research.com> wrote:
Outlook Express works fine as a newsreader.
Not really. It can be used as one, but it is rife with flaws.
After thinking about my original post, I now believe that
Google Groups may be the best choice for new and casual
participants in sci.engr.lighting. I know that the user
interface for Google Groups is terrible, but to use any
newsreader, even one people may already have installed on
their computers, such as Outlook Express or Thunderbird,
requires people to figure out the address of their ISP's
NewsServer, and then configure the newsreader, assuming even
that they know that Outlook Express and Thunderbird have
newsreader capabilities. This is enough to kill the
interest of 95% of computer users.
I already know I'm going to take a lot of heat for this
comment, but I'm interested to see how bad the comments
really are :-)
My home internet is through Comcast cable along with my television.
I use Google because it requires only typing the URL.
I would be willing to make the experiment to try something else, I'm
not sure it is even possible?- Hide quoted text -
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[/quote:c81159a7af]
I am in a similar situation, except that I have tried other methods.
While I am not fond of GGroups, I have adapted to it.
I often think, I will find the time and effort to reconnect via
regular usenet. But, it's been almost 5 years and 3 computers since I
last used one.
BTW: Using DMX even wiring it does not require any computer skills. I
have clients and electricians that prove that point at least once a
week. |
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