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| Don Lancaster... |
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tj Frazir wrote:
[quote]Whale.Steam.Engine.2.jpg
Address:http://jeffrelf.f-m.fm/Whale.Steam.Engine.2.jpg Changed:4:43 PM
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175 MPG per -ton is the standard .
250 MPG at 277 HP and 400 mpg at 71 hp.
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I could have sworn that was a whiteboard and not a steam engine.
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:28 pm |
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DanB wrote:
[quote]Eeyore wrote:
Sam West wrote:
For example, William Mook, in conjunction with Boeing's Spectrolab and
MokEnergy, claims that he produces solar energy using equipment that
costs as little as $50 per peak kilowatt!
You pay for energy by the kilowatt hour not by the kilowatt !
As ever someone who hasn't a clue about scientific units.
You must be into pints.
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I enjoy drinking a few ! UK ones are bigger than US ones of course.
[quote]I've pointed out before that production cost is measured in watts.
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Then you don't understand some very basic principles. Not least the
lifetime of the generation source. It's a simplistic view to befuddle
idiot politicians and the like and confuse the public.
[quote]Try google, here is the URL if you haven't heard of it...
http://www.google.com
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Google is set as the default search engine on both browsers I use, even
IE ( yes you can do it ).
[quote]On the other hand William Mook's claim of 5 cents/watt is ludicrous.
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Like his other ideas.
[quote]You do know that Sam is Mook's sock puppet don't you?
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I've been away from Usenet for a few months, so no, I wasn't aware of
this. Your evidence is ... ?
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| DanB... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:35 pm |
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Don Lancaster wrote:
[quote]DanB wrote:
Don Lancaster wrote:
Anything over 25 cents per peak watt is a gasoline destroying net
energy sink....
Hay Don,
Did you pull that number from ...?
Detailed analysis at http://www.tinaja.com/glib/pvlect2.asp
Breakeven is a system cost of $1 per peak watt which demands 50 cents
per peak watt for the panel.
Breakeven accomplishes nothing but "paint it green" peaking power.
Net energy from pv demands about half breakeven, or a quarter per peak
watt. And then not until many years after breakeven is achieved.
Who do you think you are kidding???[/quote] |
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| DanB... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:52 pm |
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Don Lancaster wrote:
[quote]DanB wrote:
So take the 6kwh/day in AZ.
As the Springerville stats <http://www.greenwatts.com/Docs/TEPSolar.pdf
clearly show, 4 to 5 kwh per day in arizona is typical and realistic.
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The first number I saw was 2175 hours/year, in your reference. Do you
know how to divide? That comes out to 5.95.
[quote]At ten cents per kilowatt hour peaking equivalent, 40 cents per kilowatt
panel per day.
$12 per month.
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$217.50/year.
[quote]Using http://www.hsh.com/calc-amort.html $1000 at 10 percent for 10
years amortizes out to around $12 per month. So, a dollar per peak watt
gives you breakeven for your total system cost.
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Now you are at a buck a watt and interest right now is more like 5%.
But what the hell, a buck a watt. At 5% a five year loan runs
$18.87/month almost the same as the income.
[quote]The magic "holy grail" (but totally useless and to date unattainable)
number.
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You mean your stinky numbers?
<snip the rest of the same copy and paste rant that lacks any substance...> |
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| DanB... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:57 pm |
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Eeyore wrote:
[quote]DanB wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Sam West wrote:
For example, William Mook, in conjunction with Boeing's Spectrolab and
MokEnergy, claims that he produces solar energy using equipment that
costs as little as $50 per peak kilowatt!
You pay for energy by the kilowatt hour not by the kilowatt !
As ever someone who hasn't a clue about scientific units.
You must be into pints.
I enjoy drinking a few ! UK ones are bigger than US ones of course.
I've pointed out before that production cost is measured in watts.
Then you don't understand some very basic principles. Not least the
lifetime of the generation source. It's a simplistic view to befuddle
idiot politicians and the like and confuse the public.
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You can claim what you want. But the industry does it in cost/watt. Last
I looked coal was $1/watt installed and $3-5/watt over the life time of
the plant. Wind, coal, nuclear, all of them do their numbers in
cost/watt. I'm talking about the industry and they have no reason to
confuse.
[quote]I've been away from Usenet for a few months, so no, I wasn't aware of
this. Your evidence is ... ?
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If you can't see it by reading his posts, I can't help you. |
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:18 pm |
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DanB wrote:
[quote]PV wrote:
DanB <abc at (no spam) some.net> writes:
Don Lancaster wrote:
Anything over 25 cents per peak watt is a gasoline destroying net
energy sink....
Hay Don,
Did you pull that number from your stinky place?
It's pretty much dead on target if you pay any attention to amortizing
the investment. *
Really! And as you have shown no numbers...
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How about you do ?
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| tj Frazir... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:18 pm |
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Whale.Steam.Engine.3.jpg
Address:http://jeffrelf.f-m.fm/Whale.Steam.Engine.3.jpg Changed:4:44 PM
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Its a steam power 4 cylinder water rocket .
It drives a slide vane rotor OR you can push a boat without the rotor
with a jet nosel.
1 stroke per second the engine fires 60 per minut .
175 mpg is in fact the standard per ton.
Because a 25 ton truck gets 7 mpg thats 25 mpg per ton and is proof that
a 1 ton car will get 175 mpg if it has the same fuel gas air duration
the truck has.
You better look at the engine a bit harder .
Its a simple fucking drawing and the engine is simple as hell.
Its so fucking simple and works so fucking well you may as well kiss
the oil age good by.
1 stroke per second is 500 pounds thrust in a boat of the same stroke
your jet ski is but its at 400 strokes to my 1 stroke.
I beet the jet sli 400 to 1 .
I beet the car 100 to 1.
this engine is 10 to 1 in the pics.
tgotb is much better then this 4 cylinder water rocket but i the same
engine on steam thats injected with fuel and OČ .
P-max tgotb is 2800 psi . |
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| DanB... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:29 pm |
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Eeyore wrote:
[quote]DanB wrote:
PV wrote:
DanB <abc at (no spam) some.net> writes:
Don Lancaster wrote:
Anything over 25 cents per peak watt is a gasoline destroying net
energy sink....
Hay Don,
Did you pull that number from your stinky place?
It's pretty much dead on target if you pay any attention to
amortizing the investment. *
Really! And as you have shown no numbers...
How about you do ?
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I, of course, did, and you snipped them. Your pints are showing... |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:45 pm |
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| PV... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:58 pm |
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DanB <abc at (no spam) some.net> writes:
[quote]You can claim what you want. But the industry does it in cost/watt. Last
I looked coal was $1/watt installed and $3-5/watt over the life time of
the plant. Wind, coal, nuclear, all of them do their numbers in
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Coal plants can run all day, goofball. *
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* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews. |
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| DanB... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:43 pm |
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PV wrote:
[quote]DanB <abc at (no spam) some.net> writes:
You can claim what you want. But the industry does it in cost/watt. Last
I looked coal was $1/watt installed and $3-5/watt over the life time of
the plant. Wind, coal, nuclear, all of them do their numbers in
Coal plants can run all day, goofball. *
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You seem to get stupider by the post......
You can claim what you want. But the industry does it in cost/watt. Last
I looked coal was $1/watt installed and $3-5/watt over the life time of
the plant. Wind, coal, nuclear, all of them do their numbers in
cost/watt. I'm talking about the industry and they have no reason to
confuse. |
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| tj Frazir... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:17 am |
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The slide vane hydra plant above the whale in the whale 3 pic is just a
pipe run up a mountain to a stream that drives a slide vane rotor with
inner-cam wheel and uses 1/1000th the water a water turbine uses .
Its 100 times better then the power plants today .
http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA |
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| tj Frazir... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:33 am |
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| tj Frazir... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:00 pm |
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Cooke1A.GIF
Address:http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/Museum/Power/RotaryEngines/Cooke1A.GIF
1787 was a wile ago.
With the slide vane hyra pic above the whale engine in eng 3 pics on my
page is this same rotor built 200 years ago.
With a 20 inch pipe run up a hill 1000 feet up 3 mlies away is about
500 psi at the head.
20 x 20 inch vane at 500 psi is about 200,000 pounds turning the wheel.
It dont take much water as the rotor blocks the rotors flow and dont
change speeds when matched with a load .
100 ton thrust from a 22 inch cylinder or water pipe up a hill is all
the same.
http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA |
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| tj Frazir... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:10 pm |
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Cooke1A.GIF
Address:http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/Museum/Power/RotaryEngines/Cooke1A.GIF
All 8 locomotives Whale engines built ( whaling steam ships ) for train
engines got dumped in the sea off the east port usa as soon as the oil
boss found out they used just 10 % of the oil.
WHale ship builder was killed.
No one ever saw a steam power water rocket drive a slide vane rotor
again.
IF you did the math on evrything ever built then let the math build
the best engine .
What would this engine look like and how would it work if you did the
math on evrthing that ever was ?
Engine 2
http://community.webtv.net/GravityPhysics/WhaleSteamEngineA |
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