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| Franz Gnaedinger... |
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On Oct 17, 2:46 pm, analys... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
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Mo hen jo Daro although has phonetic plausibilty
M U C DAL
(velar to palatal and l to r are typical sound changes in Skt.)
has been etymologized as "Mound of the Dead".
Let your imagination and creativity run on this one - if you can make
a convincing case for "valley of the bulls" - I personally would be
convinced that your theories are not only interesting, but have
scholarly merit and ought to be seriously considered by the
establishment.
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What a phantastic proposition! The connection is easily made.
The moon and its phases - waxing, full moon, wanig, disappearing,
emerging again - was a common symbol for the cycles of life
including a promise for a next life either on earth or in the beyond,
in ancient India somewhere along the Milky Way (Michael Janda,
based on his thorough studies of the Rig Veda). The horned god
seated in the Yoga position on a dais who appears on a couple
of Indus seals has been connected with the horned Celtic god
Cernunnos. This one, wearing stag antlers, was the Lord of the
animals, and, I dare say, also of the plants, for three leaves
appear between his antlers, whereas one Indus seal shows
the Indus god with a twig of three pipal leaves between the
buffalo horns, the number three being the symbol of life in the
ancient Indus valley (life, health, offspring). Cernunnos wearing
bull antlers was the god of the Underworld, while the three-faced
equivalent from the Indus valley anticipated Shiva who was also
dwelling in the Underworld, his wife Kali reminding of KAL
meaning Underworld, while the sacred bull Nandi personifies
Shiva's creative powers in the case of a famous shrine, from the
7th century AD, and a miniature stupa from Tibet, 19th century,
is crowned by the same symbol that we know from the Ottoman
empire, a horizontal crescent, above the sun, the lunar sickle
representing both the moon and the journey of the moon and
sun through the Underworld, between setting in the west and
rising in the east, from horizon to horizon, the curve above
the valley of bulls, the lower curve the trajectories of moon and
sun, also the symbol of a new life, a next life, when this one
is over and the Underworld traversed ... The sacred bull Nandi
in the above shrine has short stumps of horns that remind of
mounds, and we can well assume that a mound in the west
(consider the mastabas and pyramids along the western bank
of the Nile) was both a grave and a symbolic horn of the god,
indicating the journey through the Underworld and reappearance
in the east, where we then may expect another mound as symbol
of the other horn ... Will have to look up the archaeological reports
from Mohenjo Daro. I already see a possibility: tombs in the west,
buried in mounds, and the calendar sanctuary of the seven hills
in the east (see my page www.seshat.ch/home/lascaux3.htm ,
please scroll down to the second part) which sanctuary could
account for the Sumerian name of the Indus Valley, land of the
Seven High Places, represented by discs that show seven
circles around a central one - this would then not only have been
a calendar sanctuary but also the place where people were
born again, even more sacred a place! We have now an
archaeological test in petto: tombs under former mounds
should be present in the west of Mohenjo Daro, and seven
former mounds in the east, symbolical places where the
moon and sun set and rose again, places where the dead
went on their travel through the Underworld and emerged
again, and in between the valley of bulls MUC DAL that
would have become Mohenjo Daro ... |
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| Richard Herring... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:28 am |
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In message <7ju6f5F363fusU1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net>, Harlan Messinger
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[quote]Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
I may add Italian mucca meaning cow, milk cow.
The cow is sacred in India. Considering the role
the bull / gaur / buffalo /zebu plays on the seals
from Harappa and Mohenjo daro, the Indus Valley
could justly have been called MUC DAL, valley DAL
of bulls MUC, the moon and the sun rising from the
eastern mountain range and setting on the western
mountain range and emerging again in the east,
performing great circles mandala ... MUC DAL also
became Latin mundus Italian mondo French monde
'world'.
No, it didn't.
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Of course it didn't. "mucca" is obviously a reference to Mother Mucca,
the "moon" is the Blue Moon Lodge, or possibly a near-anagram of Mona,
and there must be enough spare letters up there to spell Michael and
Madrigal...
I like this game!
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On Oct 19, 3:35 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f... at (no spam) bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 17, 2:46 pm, analys... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
Mo hen jo Daro although has phonetic plausibilty
M U C DAL
(velar to palatal and l to r are typical sound changes in Skt.)
has been etymologized as "Mound of the Dead".
Let your imagination and creativity run on this one - if you can make
a convincing case for "valley of the bulls" - I personally would be
convinced that your theories are not only interesting, but have
scholarly merit and ought to be seriously considered by the
establishment.
What a phantastic proposition! The connection is easily made.
The moon and its phases - waxing, full moon, wanig, disappearing,
emerging again - was a common symbol for the cycles of life
including a promise for a next life either on earth or in the beyond,
in ancient India somewhere along the Milky Way (Michael Janda,
based on his thorough studies of the Rig Veda). The horned god
seated in the Yoga position on a dais who appears on a couple
of Indus seals has been connected with the horned Celtic god
Cernunnos. This one, wearing stag antlers, was the Lord of the
animals, and, I dare say, also of the plants, for three leaves
appear between his antlers, whereas one Indus seal shows
the Indus god with a twig of three pipal leaves between the
buffalo horns, the number three being the symbol of life in the
ancient Indus valley (life, health, offspring). Cernunnos wearing
bull antlers was the god of the Underworld, while the three-faced
equivalent from the Indus valley anticipated Shiva who was also
dwelling in the Underworld, his wife Kali reminding of KAL
meaning Underworld, while the sacred bull Nandi personifies
Shiva's creative powers in the case of a famous shrine, from the
7th century AD, and a miniature stupa from Tibet, 19th century,
is crowned by the same symbol that we know from the Ottoman
empire, a horizontal crescent, above the sun, the lunar sickle
representing both the moon and the journey of the moon and
sun through the Underworld, between setting in the west and
rising in the east, from horizon to horizon, the curve above
the valley of bulls, the lower curve the trajectories of moon and
sun, also the symbol of a new life, a next life, when this one
is over and the Underworld traversed ... The sacred bull Nandi
in the above shrine has short stumps of horns that remind of
mounds, and we can well assume that a mound in the west
(consider the mastabas and pyramids along the western bank
of the Nile) was both a grave and a symbolic horn of the god,
indicating the journey through the Underworld and reappearance
in the east, where we then may expect another mound as symbol
of the other horn ... Will have to look up the archaeological reports
from Mohenjo Daro. I already see a possibility: tombs in the west,
buried in mounds, and the calendar sanctuary of the seven hills
in the east (see my pagewww.seshat.ch/home/lascaux3.htm,
please scroll down to the second part) which sanctuary could
account for the Sumerian name of the Indus Valley, land of the
Seven High Places, represented by discs that show seven
circles around a central one - this would then not only have been
a calendar sanctuary but also the place where people were
born again, even more sacred a place! We have now an
archaeological test in petto: tombs under former mounds
should be present in the west of Mohenjo Daro, and seven
former mounds in the east, symbolical places where the
moon and sun set and rose again, places where the dead
went on their travel through the Underworld and emerged
again, and in between the valley of bulls MUC DAL that
would have become Mohenjo Daro ...
[/quote]
I can see the vague outline of a "big bang" origin of Eurasian culture
dealing with birth, death, observed cycles on earth and in the
heavens.
"bull" was used to praise Vedic Gods and didn't Zeus take the form of
a bull to ravish an earthly maiden?
I think you have to get the relationships between the earliest
semitic, Greek, Indian and Celtic myths nailed down - the linguistic
relationships would fall out naturally from a unified narrative
linking the earliest myths of Eurasia. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:02 pm |
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On Oct 19, 9:03 pm, analys... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
[quote]I can see the vague outline of a "big bang" origin of Eurasian culture
dealing with birth, death, observed cycles on earth and in the
heavens.
"bull" was used to praise Vedic Gods and didn't Zeus take the form of
a bull to ravish an earthly maiden?
[/quote]
Zeus took many, many forms to ravish earthly maidens and ephebes.
[quote]I think you have to get the relationships between the earliest
semitic, Greek, Indian and Celtic myths nailed down - the linguistic
relationships would fall out naturally from a unified narrative
linking the earliest myths of Eurasia.-
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Have you ever heard of Georges Dumezil or Joseph Campbell or Calvert
Watkins? |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:03 pm |
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On Oct 19, 9:01 pm, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]Richard Herring wrote:
In message <7ju6f5F363fu... at (no spam) mid.individual.net>, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet... at (no spam) comcast.net> writes
Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
I may add Italian mucca meaning cow, milk cow.
The cow is sacred in India. Considering the role
the bull / gaur / buffalo /zebu plays on the seals
from Harappa and Mohenjo daro, the Indus Valley
could justly have been called MUC DAL, valley DAL
of bulls MUC, the moon and the sun rising from the
eastern mountain range and setting on the western
mountain range and emerging again in the east,
performing great circles mandala ... MUC DAL also
became Latin mundus Italian mondo French monde
'world'.
No, it didn't.
Of course it didn't. "mucca" is obviously a reference to Mother Mucca,
the "moon" is the Blue Moon Lodge, or possibly a near-anagram of Mona,
and there must be enough spare letters up there to spell Michael and
Madrigal...
Ah, yes, the Maupins--a well-known family in Magdalenian society.
[/quote]
Why, "Armistead" is hiding right there in those very syllables!
And the Amistad! |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:01 pm |
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Richard Herring wrote:
[quote]In message <7ju6f5F363fusU1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net>, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removethis at (no spam) comcast.net> writes
Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
I may add Italian mucca meaning cow, milk cow.
The cow is sacred in India. Considering the role
the bull / gaur / buffalo /zebu plays on the seals
from Harappa and Mohenjo daro, the Indus Valley
could justly have been called MUC DAL, valley DAL
of bulls MUC, the moon and the sun rising from the
eastern mountain range and setting on the western
mountain range and emerging again in the east,
performing great circles mandala ... MUC DAL also
became Latin mundus Italian mondo French monde
'world'.
No, it didn't.
Of course it didn't. "mucca" is obviously a reference to Mother Mucca,
the "moon" is the Blue Moon Lodge, or possibly a near-anagram of Mona,
and there must be enough spare letters up there to spell Michael and
Madrigal...
[/quote]
Ah, yes, the Maupins--a well-known family in Magdalenian society.
[quote]
I like this game!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:20 pm |
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On Oct 20, 3:03 am, analys... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
[quote]
I can see the vague outline of a "big bang" origin of Eurasian culture
dealing with birth, death, observed cycles on earth and in the
heavens.
"bull" was used to praise Vedic Gods and didn't Zeus take the form of
a bull to ravish an earthly maiden?
I think you have to get the relationships between the earliest
semitic, Greek, Indian and Celtic myths nailed down - the linguistic
relationships would fall out naturally from a unified narrative
linking the earliest myths of Eurasia.
[/quote]
I still have a problem I can't solve. Mohenjo-Daro was
the name given by the Sindh to the ruin of the ancient
metropole: Mound of the Dead. When did the Sindh
arrive and populate the river plain? and did a derivative
of hypothetical MUC DAL survive locally and allow that
meaningful and appropriate overforming reinterpretation?
We have to await an answer from archaeology, perhaps.
(Could Mohenjo-Daro have been the center of a wide
ancient agricultural aera, one hundred miles across,
with sacred mounds on the western and eastern
circumference or periphery?)
Meanwhile I may introduce a further compound. BIR
means fur, and MUC means bull. BIR FUR could have
been the term for the hide of a bull invoking the labor
of producing and processing leather --- hunting the bull,
skinning the big animal, scraping the remains of flesh
and tendons from the hide, washing the hide, stretching
it between trees, later in wooden frames, letting it dry
in the sun, cutting the leather, sawing pieces together,
fabricating shoes and garments and other articles of
leather. Producing and processing leather could have
been a paradigm of early work, so that hypothetical
BIR MUC would have become something like bir m-c
and then PIE *werg- and English work ... |
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| Harlan Messinger... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:20 am |
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Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
[quote]On Oct 20, 3:03 am, analys... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
I can see the vague outline of a "big bang" origin of Eurasian culture
dealing with birth, death, observed cycles on earth and in the
heavens.
"bull" was used to praise Vedic Gods and didn't Zeus take the form of
a bull to ravish an earthly maiden?
I think you have to get the relationships between the earliest
semitic, Greek, Indian and Celtic myths nailed down - the linguistic
relationships would fall out naturally from a unified narrative
linking the earliest myths of Eurasia.
I still have a problem I can't solve. Mohenjo-Daro was
the name given by the Sindh to the ruin of the ancient
metropole: Mound of the Dead. When did the Sindh
arrive and populate the river plain? and did a derivative
of hypothetical MUC DAL survive locally and allow that
meaningful and appropriate overforming reinterpretation?
We have to await an answer from archaeology, perhaps.
(Could Mohenjo-Daro have been the center of a wide
ancient agricultural aera, one hundred miles across,
with sacred mounds on the western and eastern
circumference or periphery?)
Meanwhile I may introduce a further compound. BIR
means fur, and MUC means bull. BIR FUR could have
been the term for the hide of a bull invoking the labor
of producing and processing leather --- hunting the bull,
skinning the big animal, scraping the remains of flesh
and tendons from the hide, washing the hide, stretching
it between trees, later in wooden frames, letting it dry
in the sun, cutting the leather, sawing pieces together,
fabricating shoes and garments and other articles of
leather.
[/quote]
You continue to delude yourself into thinking that if you paint a grant,
detailed picture like this, it makes your fantasies seem like the truth.
Well, no, your nonsense continues to look like nonsense despite your
evocative but irrelevant litany of steps in the process.
[quote]Producing and processing leather could have
been a paradigm of early work, so that hypothetical
BIR MUC would have become something like bir m-c
and then PIE *werg- and English work ...
[/quote]
Could have been--but it's a quintillion to the tenth power times more
likely that it wasn't, since you just made it up. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:49 am |
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On Oct 20, 1:20 pm, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:03 am, analys... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
I can see the vague outline of a "big bang" origin of Eurasian culture
dealing with birth, death, observed cycles on earth and in the
heavens.
"bull" was used to praise Vedic Gods and didn't Zeus take the form of
a bull to ravish an earthly maiden?
I think you have to get the relationships between the earliest
semitic, Greek, Indian and Celtic myths nailed down - the linguistic
relationships would fall out naturally from a unified narrative
linking the earliest myths of Eurasia.
I still have a problem I can't solve. Mohenjo-Daro was
the name given by the Sindh to the ruin of the ancient
metropole: Mound of the Dead. When did the Sindh
arrive and populate the river plain? and did a derivative
of hypothetical MUC DAL survive locally and allow that
meaningful and appropriate overforming reinterpretation?
We have to await an answer from archaeology, perhaps.
(Could Mohenjo-Daro have been the center of a wide
ancient agricultural aera, one hundred miles across,
with sacred mounds on the western and eastern
circumference or periphery?)
Meanwhile I may introduce a further compound. BIR
means fur, and MUC means bull. BIR FUR could have
been the term for the hide of a bull invoking the labor
of producing and processing leather --- hunting the bull,
skinning the big animal, scraping the remains of flesh
and tendons from the hide, washing the hide, stretching
it between trees, later in wooden frames, letting it dry
in the sun, cutting the leather, sawing pieces together,
fabricating shoes and garments and other articles of
leather.
You continue to delude yourself into thinking that if you paint a grant,
detailed picture like this, it makes your fantasies seem like the truth.
Well, no, your nonsense continues to look like nonsense despite your
evocative but irrelevant litany of steps in the process.
Producing and processing leather could have
been a paradigm of early work, so that hypothetical
BIR MUC would have become something like bir m-c
and then PIE *werg- and English work ...
Could have been--but it's a quintillion to the tenth power times more
likely that it wasn't, since you just made it up.
[/quote]
Between zero and 'one divided by a quintillon to the tenth
power' is just the difference between impossible and possible.
Thanks for admitting so much. German Werk means work in
the sense of opus, werken means to work, and wirken to
effect, and in another sense to knit. We have here the
transition from fur to wool and knitting, fur Old English fell
German Fell English wool German Wolle, and French file
'thread', threads of wool used either for weaving or then
for knitting. BIR MAN means fur BIR and right hand MAN,
together he or she who works on fur, which gave way
to something like 'weave man' that became woman ...
We have here a similar transition as above, which reduces
your giant number to a quintillon to the fifth power only,
I'd say. Tomorrow more on India and the idea of a mighty
bull as creator of the world ... |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:24 pm |
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Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
[quote]On Oct 20, 1:20 pm, Harlan Messinger
hmessinger.removet... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
On Oct 20, 3:03 am, analys... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
I can see the vague outline of a "big bang" origin of Eurasian culture
dealing with birth, death, observed cycles on earth and in the
heavens.
"bull" was used to praise Vedic Gods and didn't Zeus take the form of
a bull to ravish an earthly maiden?
I think you have to get the relationships between the earliest
semitic, Greek, Indian and Celtic myths nailed down - the linguistic
relationships would fall out naturally from a unified narrative
linking the earliest myths of Eurasia.
I still have a problem I can't solve. Mohenjo-Daro was
the name given by the Sindh to the ruin of the ancient
metropole: Mound of the Dead. When did the Sindh
arrive and populate the river plain? and did a derivative
of hypothetical MUC DAL survive locally and allow that
meaningful and appropriate overforming reinterpretation?
We have to await an answer from archaeology, perhaps.
(Could Mohenjo-Daro have been the center of a wide
ancient agricultural aera, one hundred miles across,
with sacred mounds on the western and eastern
circumference or periphery?)
Meanwhile I may introduce a further compound. BIR
means fur, and MUC means bull. BIR FUR could have
been the term for the hide of a bull invoking the labor
of producing and processing leather --- hunting the bull,
skinning the big animal, scraping the remains of flesh
and tendons from the hide, washing the hide, stretching
it between trees, later in wooden frames, letting it dry
in the sun, cutting the leather, sawing pieces together,
fabricating shoes and garments and other articles of
leather.
You continue to delude yourself into thinking that if you paint a grant,
detailed picture like this, it makes your fantasies seem like the truth.
Well, no, your nonsense continues to look like nonsense despite your
evocative but irrelevant litany of steps in the process.
Producing and processing leather could have
been a paradigm of early work, so that hypothetical
BIR MUC would have become something like bir m-c
and then PIE *werg- and English work ...
Could have been--but it's a quintillion to the tenth power times more
likely that it wasn't, since you just made it up.
Between zero and 'one divided by a quintillon to the tenth
power' is just the difference between impossible and possible.
[/quote]
The difference that you fail to comprehend is the difference--the vast
gulf--between "possible" on one hand and "significant", "meaningful",
"useful", "having value", "worthy of note" on the other. It would be a
good idea for you to understand this as well as you understand the
difference between an impossibility and the remotest possibility. It is
*possible* that a given man will win a hundred successive lotteries. If
that man, relying on this possibility, spends every last bit of his
earnings on lottery tickets and lives and dies a sick and starving
pauper, do you suppose anyone would talk about how clever and brilliant
he was for the strategy he chose to follow?
[quote]Thanks for admitting so much.
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That's like saying I "admit" that if a quintillion to the tenth power
monkeys type randomly for a sufficient number of years, one will type
the complete works of William Shakespeare. The point is (a) there will
be nothing special about the monkey that does first accomplish that
feat: it will not mean that there was anything clever about him; it will
only have been the result of the laws of chance, and (b) you are
choosing to identify yourself with that monkey, but (b)(1) the chances
are overwhelmingly large (and that's an understatement) that you are not
that monkey, but one of the monkeys that will almost never type anything
by gibberish, and (b)(2) even if you turned out to correspond to the
successful monkey, it would still mean that you had reached the right
result by luck, not because there was any value to the way you had
arrived at it. You might as well be making these things up totally at
random.
[quote]German Werk means work in
the sense of opus, werken means to work, and wirken to
effect, and in another sense to knit. We have here the
transition from fur to wool and knitting, fur Old English fell
German Fell English wool German Wolle, and French file
'thread', threads of wool used either for weaving or then
for knitting. BIR MAN means fur BIR and right hand MAN,
together he or she who works on fur, which gave way
to something like 'weave man' that became woman ...
[/quote]
We already know where "woman" came from and it contradicts your account.
The probability of your being right on that one IS zero. Not something
remotely different from zero, but *zero*.
[quote]We have here a similar transition as above, which reduces
your giant number to a quintillon to the fifth power only,
[/quote]
Because you say so?
[quote]I'd say. Tomorrow more on India and the idea of a mighty
bull as creator of the world ...[/quote] |
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On Oct 19, 11:02 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 19, 9:03 pm, analys... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
I can see the vague outline of a "big bang" origin of Eurasian culture
dealing with birth, death, observed cycles on earth and in the
heavens.
"bull" was used to praise Vedic Gods and didn't Zeus take the form of
a bull to ravish an earthly maiden?
Zeus took many, many forms to ravish earthly maidens and ephebes.
I think you have to get the relationships between the earliest
semitic, Greek, Indian and Celtic myths nailed down - the linguistic
relationships would fall out naturally from a unified narrative
linking the earliest myths of Eurasia.-
Have you ever heard of Georges Dumezil or Joseph Campbell or Calvert
Watkins?
[/quote]
I have heard of all three and have seen some PBS videos Campbell did.
In addition to these works, "Black Athena" and the writings of Jung
about archetypes and perhaps Franz's researches need to be put togther
into a great narrative that would be of great value in and of itself.
Linguistic reflexes can be used as confirmatory evidence that there
was a unity at one time at the level of cosmogony, ritual and worship
- such a unity, if demonstarted convincingly, would be of some
cultural significance, |
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On Oct 20, 7:58 pm, analys... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 19, 11:02 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
On Oct 19, 9:03 pm, analys... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
I can see the vague outline of a "big bang" origin of Eurasian culture
dealing with birth, death, observed cycles on earth and in the
heavens.
"bull" was used to praise Vedic Gods and didn't Zeus take the form of
a bull to ravish an earthly maiden?
Zeus took many, many forms to ravish earthly maidens and ephebes.
I think you have to get the relationships between the earliest
semitic, Greek, Indian and Celtic myths nailed down - the linguistic
relationships would fall out naturally from a unified narrative
linking the earliest myths of Eurasia.-
Have you ever heard of Georges Dumezil or Joseph Campbell or Calvert
Watkins?
I have heard of all three and have seen some PBS videos Campbell did.
In addition to these works, "Black Athena" and the writings of Jung
about archetypes and perhaps Franz's researches need to be put togther
into a great narrative that would be of great value in and of itself.
Linguistic reflexes can be used as confirmatory evidence that there
was a unity at one time at the level of cosmogony, ritual and worship
- such a unity, if demonstarted convincingly, would be of some
cultural significance,-
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Black Athena, by my friend Martin Bernal, does not _remotely_ belong
in the company of those three.
And Campbell is essentially Jung for Dummies. |
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| Franz Gnaedinger... |
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On Oct 21, 2:12 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]
Black Athena, by my friend Martin Bernal, does not _remotely_ belong
in the company of those three.
[/quote]
Martin Bernal wrote me a long and very kind supportive
letter in November 1996, calling me "a scholar of your
caliber" and giving me further advice. I had written him
and sent him my reconstruction of the Egyptian systematic
method of calculating the circle, confirming what he said
in Black Athena about Egyptian mathematics.
Now for India. Some link Mohenjo-Daro with Mahon
the All Beautiful, byname, epithet and avatar of Krishna,
who, according to another of his many bynames, also
was the son of Nandi, the sacred bull personifying
Shiva's creative powers. Krishna was raised among
cows. He was an avatar of Vishnu whose heavenly
abode I located in the Summer Triangle Deneb Vega
Atair, both the vulva of the fertility giver BRI GID and
the head of the bull or bull man, supreme leader, born
again in the sky by the goddess (Venus and bull drawn
on a stalactite in the rear hall of the Chauvet cave, to
be considered together with the inscription in the
Brunel chamber, a domino five with an additional dot
in upper position, reading PAS CA --- may the bull man
or supreme leader, born again in the sky by the goddess,
roam heavens in his next life as he roams the land in
this life ... Michael Janda, concluding from his thorough
studies of the Rig Veda, assumes a Paleolithic abode
somewhere along the Milky Way). - While we explain
life as a 'product' of nature, the ancient ones explained
the cosmos in terms of living beings. An early myth,
I claim, may have explained the world as creation
of a mighty bull: his horns are present in the eastern
mountains where the moon and stars and the sun rise,
and in the western mountains where they set and then
traverse the Underworld in order to rise again, while
his head and body account for the mass of the earth.
Now his sperm, Latin semen, is present in the soma
that makes the soil fertile and created all the plants
and animals and humans, soma and semen coming
from IE *sew- 'what is pressed out' and going back to
Magdalenian SOMm 'body', namely the essence of the
body present īn the semen or sperm, able to generate
new life and generations. Also, the mysterious soma
inside the earth (my interpretation) can be extracted by
a variety of plants whose juices are combined with milk
and worked into vitalizing drinks called soma, while,
as a god, Soma was a bull and a bird and a lunar deity ...
All comes together once we have the right approach. |
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| Panu... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:40 pm |
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On Oct 21, 9:18 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f... at (no spam) bluemail.ch> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 21, 2:12 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Black Athena, by my friend Martin Bernal, does not _remotely_ belong
in the company of those three.
Martin Bernal wrote me a long and very kind supportive
letter in November 1996, calling me "a scholar of your
caliber"
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Are you sure he wasn't being sarchastic? |
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| PaulJK... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:45 am |
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Panu wrote:
[quote]On Oct 21, 9:18 am, Franz Gnaedinger <f... at (no spam) bluemail.ch> wrote:
On Oct 21, 2:12 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Black Athena, by my friend Martin Bernal, does not _remotely_ belong
in the company of those three.
Martin Bernal wrote me a long and very kind supportive
letter in November 1996, calling me "a scholar of your
caliber"
Are you sure he wasn't being sarchastic?
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It's a very safe and virtually meaningless phrase, isn't it. Everybody,
no matter who they are, are "scholars of *their* caliber".
Could he be thinking of BB gun caliber? 
pjk |
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