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| BradGuth... |
 Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:06 pm |
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On Sep 4, 12:26 pm, "Hagar" <ha... at (no spam) sahm.name> wrote:
[quote:f473caf0e3]"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
In other words, you and others of your kind have nothing objective or
even reasonably subjective to contribute on behalf of this topic, but
you merely enjoy topic/author stalking and teasing others for sport
(kinda like having your puppet warlord Hitler, and otherwise putting
Christ on a stick was so much fun).
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No, GuthBall, we're only attempting to prevent your stupidity on the
subject of the origin of our Moon from spreading and becoming a
world-wide pandemic.
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I accept your pandemic status, and call your kosher parrot status-quo
of pretend objectivity.
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:28 pm |
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On Sep 7, 5:44 pm, "-7/9 n n + 1.76666666 + 2/"
<marty.musa... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:50cdc09b20]Actually I am a real person see:http://MeAmI.orgis my engine andhttp://myspace.com/screenwriterblues
is me!
Signed, Musatov, Martin M.BradGuth wrote:
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Got anything else to say for yourself? (besides a bogus link)
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:47 pm |
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On Sep 13, 8:00 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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Here’s another good one from the Brad Guth School of Revisionism
(BGSR).
With retro-reflectors that can be easily robotic deployed in each
quadrant (one near each pole and at the maximum viewable E/W equator)
upon our unusually passive and otherwise inert moon that’s apparently
devoid of minerals or anything of UV fluorescence, and having the
laser transmitting and receiving situated within the Earth-moon L1
(Selene L1), as such the Einstein SR and multiple other science data
(including Earth science) can be independently replicated to death.
This SR contraction seems more like an interaction to the weak force
of gravity that’s surrounding us and every photon of our universe,
instead of tied into the physical constraints imposed by the speed of
light, as the theory of SR contends.
Where’s the objective observable/measurable SR “length contraction,
time dilation and relativity of simultaneity” associated within our
very own trajectory and velocity of 600<1000 km/sec that’s taking us
into “The Great Attractor”, along with dozens upon dozens of other
merging galaxies entering from all directions towards their own
eventual cosmic GA blueshift demise at <750 km/sec (plus whatever’s
the GA trajectory and velocity itself amounts to, not to mention the
best swag of direction and 550 km/s velocity what the entire Milky Way
has to offer)?
All velocities combined, we could easily be looking at our local
cosmic frame velocity of perhaps 3000 km/s (1% c SR contraction
99.995%), as heading us towards/away from whatever point of cosmic
reference, whereas other portions of our universe and even a few items
within our galaxy may have <0.5c/sec to contend with a contraction of
86.6%.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/tdil.html
Even though 750 km/sec is only offering an insignificant value of SR
contraction (perhaps < 99.9997%), none the less it should be rather
easily measured in physics and science labs that exist just about
anywhere on Earth, better within ISS or on the moon, though perhaps
best performed within the zero delta-V of Selene L1, as otherwise we
can not get ourselves entirely away from the influence of gravity,
positrons or electrons, not even deep within the IGM that remains
saturated with dark/clear matter and loads of cosmic energy, in that
anything and everything as having trajectory/motion/velocity has to
contend with this IGM plus those continual motions of most everything
else that’ll have to include the gauntlet of electromagnetic
distortion factors via gravitational lensing.
In other few words, a perfect sphere of any material will supposedly
(according to Einstein and others) always become distorted via
contraction in the direction and velocity of travel. A one meter
diameter sphere should contract by .003 mm in the direction of the 750
km/sec travel, and such measurements are certainly well within 5th
grade physics and science capability. 3 microns is actually a good
million fold larger measurement than most public funded labs
(including JPL and other high technology outfitted institutions) can
easily perform. A km rod or beam should contract by 3 mm.
So what’s the excuse this time for those of our mainstream Einstein(s)
not having provided such easily replicated results, as objective proof-
positive of their SR theory?
~ BG
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Odd that only the Zionist/Jewish mindsets are those replying in
alt.astronomy, insisting (w/o objective science) that our moon is
solid as a rock, all the way into its supposed iron core that's
entirely passive none the less. Must be why we never needed that
LUNAR-A mission, or anything parked within Selene L1, as well as why
our Apollo seismology was never made directly public accessible
(including 700 large boxes of Apollo mission and science data that's
entirely missing in action).
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
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| Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:35 am |
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On Sep 22, 7:00 pm, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Brad
In fact Mountains foldings of any type demonstrate that twisting of
solid formations in all directions had no time to cool, as in the Mad
& Fraudulent Geology model of 60 millionz yearz for the Alpine
Orogenesis by ex.
The immediate uprise further brought up the whole horizontal layers,
as in the Himalaya, in the exact position they were laid out. NO dip
on most of the Himalaya Plateaux indeed !
Hence the solid structures had no choice except than to break up, to
fold or to metamorphose, and the whole work was over in a mere 6 to
12 hours to the most.
Incidentally Hydraulic counter reaction is called a fluid pressure
transfer.
Best
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| The Other Guy... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:15 pm |
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On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Greatest Mining Pioneer of
Australia of all Times <australia.mining-pioneer at (no spam) neuf.fr> wrote:
[quote:5fe81e1962]
Dear Mr Brad Guth
[/quote:5fe81e1962]
PLEASE don't feed the trolls.. |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:41 pm |
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On Sep 22, 2:35 pm, Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
<australia.mining-pion... at (no spam) neuf.fr> wrote:
[quote:3c69b66479]On Sep 22, 7:00 pm, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Brad
In fact Mountains foldings of any type demonstrate that twisting of
solid formations in all directions had no time to cool, as in the Mad
& Fraudulent Geology model of 60 millionz yearz for the Alpine
Orogenesis by ex.
The immediate uprise further brought up the whole horizontal layers,
as in the Himalaya, in the exact position they were laid out. NO dip
on most of the Himalaya Plateaux indeed !
Hence the solid structures had no choice except than to break up, to
fold or to metamorphose, and the whole work was over in a mere 6 to
12 hours to the most.
Incidentally Hydraulic counter reaction is called a fluid pressure
transfer.
Best
jpturcaud
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Too bad that Zionist/Jews like rabbi Saul Levy and other Nazis are
scared to death of ever allowing our public funded supercomputers to
run models of our interpretation, as to the forming of these more
recent antipodes and/or hydraulic counter reactions from an icy Selene
impacting Earth.
~ BG |
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| Hagar... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:00 pm |
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"The Other Guy" <knewskgnus at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:th8ib5d4rh2kuoj9tegtj1j9rgulj6ejst at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote:554d958569]On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT), Greatest Mining Pioneer of
Australia of all Times <australia.mining-pioneer at (no spam) neuf.fr> wrote:
Dear Mr Brad Guth
PLEASE don't feed the trolls..
[/quote:554d958569]
Way, way too late. These two loons have incited each other and the
resulting outpouring of mutual mental waste could rival the famous
Krakatau eruption ... |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:35 am |
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[quote:0019638530]Where's the mainstream science proving that our Selene/moon is not
somewhat hollow?
[/quote:0019638530]
Our Selene/moon simply isn't that of a solid rock with an iron core.
There's simply not sufficient mass (or average density) for such being
solid clean through. Its unusually thick crust of mostly basalt
proves there's less density inside of that nearby and physically dark
sucker that's transferring and/or extracting 2e20 N/sec worth of
orbital tidal force.
~ BG |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:38 am |
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[quote:d370a03781]Where's the mainstream science proving that our Selene/moon is not
somewhat hollow?
[/quote:d370a03781]
Our Selene/moon simply isn't that of a solid rock with an iron core.
There's simply not sufficient mass (or average density) for such being
of a solid clean through. Its unusually thick crust of mostly basalt
proves there's less density inside of that nearby and physically dark
sucker that's transferring and/or extracting 2e20 N/sec worth of
orbital tidal force.
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:22 pm |
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On Sep 29, 11:38 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:7445a73349]Where's the mainstream science proving that our Selene/moon is not
somewhat hollow?
Our Selene/moon simply isn't that of a solid rock with an iron core.
There's simply not sufficient mass (or average density) for such being
of a solid clean through. Its unusually thick crust of mostly basalt
proves there's less density inside of that nearby and physically dark
sucker that's transferring and/or extracting 2e20 N/sec worth of
orbital tidal force.
[/quote:7445a73349]
Our Selene/moon simply is not through and through a solid rock, and
it's core isn't very hot nor nearly as dense as we've been told by
those we're supposed to trust with our lives and most all of our hard
earned loot. In other words, our textbooks are simply wrong, or at
the very least incomplete.
Our NASA remains unusually secretive, obfuscating and otherwise in
nondisclosure denial of anything that might rock their job and benefit
security boat. If you or I did such with public loot, as such we'd be
tossed in jail.
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:12 am |
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On Aug 31, 1:27 pm, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:58082f329f]Any LEO habitat stuff simply isn't viable, because it's simply too
spendy and otherwise unsustainable, as well as undefendable against
whatever is headed our way. We can hardly manage to keep our own LEO
stuff from controlled or rogue encountering or otherwise interacting
with one another as is. If something seriously bad should happen to
Earth, there’s certainly no good odds that being in whatever LEO
habitat is going to be entirely failsafe, and certainly doomed if
there’s no further ground support.
If your sun was about to shift from its relatively supermassive red
giant phase, down to that of a little white dwarf of less than an
eighth its original (pre red supergiant) stellar mass, and if an icy
planetoid or proto-moon were going to suddenly become tidal radii
discarded and headed in the right/general direction, away from its
failing home solar system and migrating towards that of another nearby
passive solar system, then by all means such an icy planetoid could
become safely utilized as your multi-generation interstellar space
craft, as an entirely capable sphere of hosting sustainable life (no
matters how weird, dumb or unnecessary some of that life might
represent).
However, many are correct in thinking that most of us can't seem to
manage or otherwise pay for living here on Earth, especially within
any similar controlled ecosystem as would be required in space travels
or upon some other planet or moon that isn't already Eden approved.
Our unusual Selene/moon is however nearby but not too close, and it
likely has most everything except fresh water to work with as is,
including interior voids our hollows worth utilizing as is.
If you don’t happen to like that idea of ever utilizing our moon,
there’s always the planet Venus that’s only a hundred times further
away every 19 months, and it certainly has more than a sufficient
cache of fresh water in those acidic clouds as is, as well as all the
minerals and elements of Earth, plus unlimited local energy that’s
essentially renewable to boot.
~ BG
On Jul 28, 5:16 pm, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here’s yet another edited food for thought topic, about our local
planetoid Selene/moon that has a little something hollow to say about
itself;
Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Mechanics/sphshell2.html#wtls
This zero gravity environment of course wouldn't fully apply to our
naked Selene/moon interior unless that hollow was a substantial sphere
at nearly dead center, but none the less it's still worth our
considering the possible implications, and it’s especially what-if
topic worthy when the bulk of lunar mass is clearly being held within
its thick and highly paramagnetic basalt crust, with no obvious
indications of an iron or otherwise dense core.
Natural/geothermal and isotope generated gas bubbles could easily have
created such a geode hollow(s) or even pockets of trapped mineral
brines and perhaps a few as having become crystal lined volumes of
weird geological anomalies representing livable voids deep within the
moon, as well as for the continual tidal pull of Earth’s gravity may
have significantly offset the original soft/molten interior core,
leaving a substantial hollow/caverness void rising towards the
extremely thick backside crust, as well as for the Earth/Selene
lithobraking encounter should have caused something to shift within
this unusual planetoid we call our moon.
First of all, I have never once suggested anything lower mass than
7.35e22 kg (if anything I’ve proposed an extra mass of <262 km worth
of ice for a grand total of 8.5e22 kg), nor have I ever suggested that
our Selene/moon was 90% hollow, nor otherwise have I ever insisted the
interior density below the thick basalt crust being as low as 1 kg/m3
(although the element sodium is kinda minimal density at .97 g/cm3,
not to mention lithium). So don’t get yourselves all defensively
crazy and huffy about any of this.
If the thick and paramagnetic basalt plus mineral saturated crust with
many of those heavier lunar elements (including thorium, uranium,
plutonium and of course radium as supposedly derived from the core of
Earth plus via whatever else as having impacted Earth) are situated or
somehow having been coagulated/solidified near the surface, not to
mention a bazillion naked meteor deposits of carbonado/lonsdaleite and
of course always those much heavier metallic elements including
thorium, iron, nickel, platinum and loads of titanium, plus a little
of whatever else was part of Earth. So, for the purely what-if of
this semi-hollow moon topic, how about our considering a 10% hollow
moon (2.2 billion cubic kilometers worth)?
How many personally safe interior habitats is 2.2e18 m3 actually
worth?
At 1000 m3 per habitat is offering 2.2e12 units. Given a wide
percentage (more than half) for a perfectly rational (meaning
intelligent) infrastructure is still going to offer 1e12 units of 1e3
m3 each.
However, even if we’re talking of a 1% hollow Selene is still offering
an off-world viable habitat that’s worthy of safely hosting 100
billion units, along with 55% as still going for infrastructure.
Seems more than adequate if such a semi-hollow moon were to be
utilized as an off-world shelter or that of an interstellar survival
craft (red supergiant and helium flashover lifeboat), and of course it
gets all the better yet if it should became heavily iced over along
the way.
Along with my LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator and Counter Mass with
the terrific amount of ISS habitat interior) is what makes the to/from
aspects of utilizing our semi-hollow Selene/moon rather simple and
energy efficient, though most likely as owned and operated by China
and India (so expect to pay a hefty toll).
Father Haskell:
How will you feed all 100 billion of those units?
Chinese and India takeout from their LSE-CM/ISS (Selene L1) outpost/
gateway, and otherwise direct fly-by-rocket shipments of fish and rice
via North Korea, and perhaps fresh fruit from Cuba (via Guantanamo
Space Port).
As I'd said, roughly 55% as the lunar community infrastructure should
provide enough volume as industrial greenhouse and accommodating
whatever assortments of chickens, turkeys and pigs. You know, Earth
isn't ever going to be very far away, and even I can think of all
kinds of ways for a continuous supply of just about anything, in
exchange for He3 and any number of other precious elements that would
be mostly robotic mined, processed and efficiently exported to Earth,
or effectively stored for future needs.
Obviously we'd need to accommodate at most fewer than 10 billion such
units as our lunar interior habitats, thereby leaving 95% available as
infrastructure for working within this 1% hollow moon.
Remember, if most everyone is living inside the moon, Eden/Earth
stands a darn good chance of once again becoming a thriving plant and
animal sanctuary that's nearly devoid of humans and their industrial
scale polluting. (perhaps at most 1% stays with Earth in order to
repair/salvage the frail environment and help feed the other 99% of
folks living within the moon, and the subsequent visiting of Earth by
these others would become a highly restricted privilege).
However, if our continuing recession turns into WWIII, that gets all-
out and downright nuclear dirty, plus otherwise chemical and
biologically lethal, there may be few if any safe places on Earth
worth risking further genetic mutations to your frail DNA.
Trust me, I have a reasonably failsafe plan. It's rather complex and
certainly not perfect, but at least it's offering a whole lot better
constructive option than most any other plan of salvaging humanity
that’s designed mostly to benefit only the rich and powerful surviving
off-world, while the rest of us village idiots get to tough it out and
otherwise end up paying for everything that primarily benefits these
rich and powerful individuals (including fighting their wars).
Btw; If a black hole were merely that of an event horizon shell of
whatever horrific mass and density (say a thick swarm of tightly
packed electrons orbiting this hollow void or perhaps sustaining a
small core of positron antimatter) as surrounded by whatever makes you
a happy camper:
Once again, a little physics food for thought: The gravity force
inside a spherical shell is always zero, that is unless it has some
kind of an extremely massive core that’s magnetically centered or
somehow electrostatic isolated within this otherwise hollow sphere.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Mechanics/sphshell2.html#wtls
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Apparently our physically dark Selene/moon and the otherwise extremely
vibrant and geothermally active planet Venus are still taboo/
nondisclosure rated. Even the moon's L1 is forbidden, and our spendy
LRO/LCROSS missions aren't telling us anything that we didn't already
know.
Amazing what a firm kosher grip they have on the public brain and
private parts. It's almost as though their puppet warlord Hitler was
still in charge of telling us exactly what to believe regardless of
those pesky laws of physics or the best available science.
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:15 am |
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On Sep 29, 11:38 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:a0466a985a]Where's the mainstream science proving that our Selene/moon is not
somewhat hollow?
Our Selene/moon simply isn't that of a solid rock with an iron core.
There's simply not sufficient mass (or average density) for such being
of a solid clean through. Its unusually thick crust of mostly basalt
proves there's less density inside of that nearby and physically dark
sucker that's transferring and/or extracting 2e20 N/sec worth of
orbital tidal force.
~ BG
[/quote:a0466a985a]
Apparently our physically dark Selene/moon and the otherwise extremely
vibrant and geothermally active planet Venus are still taboo/
nondisclosure rated. Even the moon's L1 is forbidden, and our spendy
LRO/LCROSS missions aren't really telling us anything that we didn't
already know.
Amazing what a firm kosher grip they have on the public brain and most
of our private parts. It's almost as though their puppet warlord
Hitler was still in charge of telling us exactly what to believe
regardless of those pesky laws of physics or the best available
science.
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet” |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:18 am |
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On Sep 29, 11:38 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:e83b11b1da]Where's the mainstream science proving that our Selene/moon is not
somewhat hollow?
Our Selene/moon simply isn't that of a solid rock with an iron core.
There's simply not sufficient mass (or average density) for such being
of a solid clean through. Its unusually thick crust of mostly basalt
proves there's less density inside of that nearby and physically dark
sucker that's transferring and/or extracting 2e20 N/sec worth of
orbital tidal force.
~ BG
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The moon interior is offering something of a lower than any mineral
saturated basalt composite density (as well as possibly semi-hollow
and/or of least compacted interior, with little of any iron core) than
the mostly solid basalt and mineral saturated crust of what such an
unusual surface of mascons has to offer. The 1.5 tonne of TNT impact
wasn’t itself likely to be visible to the naked eye, although amateur
astronomy and their extremely sensitive and terrific dynamic range
capable cameras should not have had any problems whatsoever, unless
they were intentionally misinformed and/or simply not informed as to
where and when to look. And of course the renewed and extensively
upgraded Hubble should have almost filled an entire FOV of that event
(nearly as good as the 395 meter focal-length KECK resolution), except
the Hubble image would have had a perfectly clean shot and having been
loads sharper and way better at the near IR, visual and UV spectrum.
So, where’s the beef?
http://lunarnetworks.blogspot.com/2009/10/lcross-not-meant-as-entertainment.html
http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse/view/M107049825RE
btw; do bother yourself as to taking proper notice as to how the
average albedo of our Selene/moon as having been recorded by the
terrific dynamic range of our spendy LROC, as upon average is in fact
nearly as dark as coal. Too bad we’re still not being allowed to
review any of the UV fluorescence imaging of those lunar minerals. If
you look further, you’ll notice a few blocked out areas that the our
LROC team intentionally limited their zoom-on resolution (it’s what
one does whenever attempting to hide something like lunar clouds of
perhaps radon gas or possibly sodium).
Apparently our spendy LRO array of high resolution and extended DR
cameras, plus multiple other science instruments was nowhere in
position to image or record anything of the impact event or even of
its subsequent dust plume.
Of whatever electrostatic charged plume of physically sooty dark as
coal moon dust that was supposed to contain loads of near polar water
vapor, as such should have stood-out like a very sore thumb or even as
obvious as a red clown nose. At least thus far we have next to zip/
nothing new to add to our extremely limited or rather mainstream
moderated knowledge of our physically dark Selene/moon, that we’ve
supposedly walked upon but somehow forgot to accomplish any truly
objective science (must be why they discarded all of our public funded
fly-by-rocket technology and having tossed out those 700 large and
clearly marked boxes of those spendy Apollo missions, along with much
of their original science data).
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:19 am |
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The moon interior is offering something of a lower than any mineral
saturated basalt composite density (as well as possibly semi-hollow
and/or of least compacted interior, with little of any iron core) than
the mostly solid basalt and mineral saturated crust of what such an
unusual surface of mascons has to offer. The 1.5 tonne of TNT impact
wasn’t itself likely to be visible to the naked eye, although amateur
astronomy and their extremely sensitive and terrific dynamic range
capable cameras should not have had any problems whatsoever, unless
they were intentionally misinformed and/or simply not informed as to
where and when to look. And of course the renewed and extensively
upgraded Hubble should have almost filled an entire FOV of that event
(nearly as good as the 395 meter focal-length KECK resolution), except
the Hubble image would have had a perfectly clean shot and having been
loads sharper and way better at the near IR, visual and UV spectrum.
So, where’s the beef?
http://lunarnetworks.blogspot.com/2009/10/lcross-not-meant-as-entertainment.html
http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse/view/M107049825RE
btw; do bother yourself as to taking proper notice as to how the
average albedo of our Selene/moon as having been recorded by the
terrific dynamic range of our spendy LROC, as upon average is in fact
nearly as dark as coal. Too bad we’re still not being allowed to
review any of the UV fluorescence imaging of those lunar minerals. If
you look further, you’ll notice a few blocked out areas that the our
LROC team intentionally limited their zoom-on resolution (it’s what
one does whenever attempting to hide something like lunar clouds of
perhaps radon gas or possibly sodium).
Apparently our spendy LRO array of high resolution and extended DR
cameras, plus multiple other science instruments was nowhere in
position to image or record anything of the impact event or even of
its subsequent dust plume.
Of whatever electrostatic charged plume of physically sooty dark as
coal moon dust that was supposed to contain loads of near polar water
vapor, as such should have stood-out like a very sore thumb or even as
obvious as a red clown nose. At least thus far we have next to zip/
nothing new to add to our extremely limited or rather mainstream
moderated knowledge of our physically dark Selene/moon, that we’ve
supposedly walked upon but somehow forgot to accomplish any truly
objective science (must be why they discarded all of our public funded
fly-by-rocket technology and having tossed out those 700 large and
clearly marked boxes of those spendy Apollo missions, along with much
of their original science data).
~ BG
On Sep 5, 3:43 pm, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:28ef10dc06]On Jul 28, 5:16 pm, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here’s yet another edited food for thought topic, about our local
planetoid Selene/moon that has a little something hollow to say about
itself;
Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Mechanics/sphshell2.html#wtls
This zero gravity environment of course wouldn't fully apply to our
naked Selene/moon interior unless that hollow was a substantial sphere
at nearly dead center, but none the less it's still worth our
considering the possible implications, and it’s especially what-if
topic worthy when the bulk of lunar mass is clearly being held within
its thick and highly paramagnetic basalt crust, with no obvious
indications of an iron or otherwise dense core.
Natural/geothermal and isotope generated gas bubbles could easily have
created such a geode hollow(s) or even pockets of trapped mineral
brines and perhaps a few as having become crystal lined volumes of
weird geological anomalies representing livable voids deep within the
moon, as well as for the continual tidal pull of Earth’s gravity may
have significantly offset the original soft/molten interior core,
leaving a substantial hollow/caverness void rising towards the
extremely thick backside crust, as well as for the Earth/Selene
lithobraking encounter should have caused something to shift within
this unusual planetoid we call our moon.
First of all, I have never once suggested anything lower mass than
7.35e22 kg (if anything I’ve proposed an extra mass of <262 km worth
of ice for a grand total of 8.5e22 kg), nor have I ever suggested that
our Selene/moon was 90% hollow, nor otherwise have I ever insisted the
interior density below the thick basalt crust being as low as 1 kg/m3
(although the element sodium is kinda minimal density at .97 g/cm3,
not to mention lithium). So don’t get yourselves all defensively
crazy and huffy about any of this.
If the thick and paramagnetic basalt plus mineral saturated crust with
many of those heavier lunar elements (including thorium, uranium,
plutonium and of course radium as supposedly derived from the core of
Earth plus via whatever else as having impacted Earth) are situated or
somehow having been coagulated/solidified near the surface, not to
mention a bazillion naked meteor deposits of carbonado/lonsdaleite and
of course always those much heavier metallic elements including
thorium, iron, nickel, platinum and loads of titanium, plus a little
of whatever else was part of Earth. So, for the purely what-if of
this semi-hollow moon topic, how about our considering a 10% hollow
moon (2.2 billion cubic kilometers worth)?
How many personally safe interior habitats is 2.2e18 m3 actually
worth?
At 1000 m3 per habitat is offering 2.2e12 units. Given a wide
percentage (more than half) for a perfectly rational (meaning
intelligent) infrastructure is still going to offer 1e12 units of 1e3
m3 each.
However, even if we’re talking of a 1% hollow Selene is still offering
an off-world viable habitat that’s worthy of safely hosting 100
billion units, along with 55% as still going for infrastructure.
Seems more than adequate if such a semi-hollow moon were to be
utilized as an off-world shelter or that of an interstellar survival
craft (red supergiant and helium flashover lifeboat), and of course it
gets all the better yet if it should became heavily iced over along
the way.
Along with my LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator and Counter Mass with
the terrific amount of ISS habitat interior) is what makes the to/from
aspects of utilizing our semi-hollow Selene/moon rather simple and
energy efficient, though most likely as owned and operated by China
and India (so expect to pay a hefty toll).
Father Haskell:
How will you feed all 100 billion of those units?
Chinese and India takeout from their LSE-CM/ISS (Selene L1) outpost/
gateway, and otherwise direct fly-by-rocket shipments of fish and rice
via North Korea, and perhaps fresh fruit from Cuba (via Guantanamo
Space Port).
As I'd said, roughly 55% as the lunar community infrastructure should
provide enough volume as industrial greenhouse and accommodating
whatever assortments of chickens, turkeys and pigs. You know, Earth
isn't ever going to be very far away, and even I can think of all
kinds of ways for a continuous supply of just about anything, in
exchange for He3 and any number of other precious elements that would
be mostly robotic mined, processed and efficiently exported to Earth,
or effectively stored for future needs.
Obviously we'd need to accommodate at most fewer than 10 billion such
units as our lunar interior habitats, thereby leaving 95% available as
infrastructure for working within this 1% hollow moon.
Remember, if most everyone is living inside the moon, Eden/Earth
stands a darn good chance of once again becoming a thriving plant and
animal sanctuary that's nearly devoid of humans and their industrial
scale polluting. (perhaps at most 1% stays with Earth in order to
repair/salvage the frail environment and help feed the other 99% of
folks living within the moon, and the subsequent visiting of Earth by
these others would become a highly restricted privilege).
However, if our continuing recession turns into WWIII, that gets all-
out and downright nuclear dirty, plus otherwise chemical and
biologically lethal, there may be few if any safe places on Earth
worth risking further genetic mutations to your frail DNA.
Trust me, I have a reasonably failsafe plan. It's rather complex and
certainly not perfect, but at least it's offering a whole lot better
constructive option than most any other plan of salvaging humanity
that’s designed mostly to benefit only the rich and powerful surviving
off-world, while the rest of us village idiots get to tough it out and
otherwise end up paying for everything that primarily benefits these
rich and powerful individuals (including fighting their wars).
Btw; If a black hole were merely that of an event horizon shell of
whatever horrific mass and density (say a thick swarm of tightly
packed electrons orbiting this hollow void or perhaps sustaining a
small core of positron antimatter) as surrounded by whatever makes you
a happy camper:
Once again, a little physics food for thought: The gravity force
inside a spherical shell is always zero, that is unless it has some
kind of an extremely massive core that’s magnetically centered or
somehow electrostatic isolated within this otherwise hollow sphere.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBASE/Mechanics/sphshell2.html#wtls
Once again, it’s too bad we still don’t have any platform of
instruments parked within our Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1), or for that
matter any OCO mission under way. As of 1850 we’ve been screwing with
mother nature, and now she’s giving birth to an illegitimate kosher
lovechild that has a perpetual arrogance and faith racist induced
fever.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/04/MNB219HIR...
Perhaps the thawing and total glacial melt of Eden is a good thing.
Just ask a mosquito or any number of voracious bugs and insects, as
well as those defrosted prehistoric bugs, microbes and spores. (what
could possibly go wrong?)
http://www.popfi.com/2009/09/03/crying-glacier-weeps-for-environment/
The moon as having extensively cooled and having long since radiated
and otherwise vented the vast bulk of its initial geothermal core
energy and subsequent gaseous volumes (including helium and radon), as
such is suggesting that portions of the interior should be either
hollow or displaced by trapped fluids and gaseous elements that could
be easily removed. That sort of expectation combined along with the
much lower gravity of compressing whatever available substances should
represent relatively easy robotic diggings, once through the tough
mineral saturated basalt portions of the outer crust.
This could represent a daunting task of our getting such tunnel
digging technology through a depth of perhaps 25 km in the thinnest
areas of that mineral saturated basalt crust (easier said than
accomplished), although natural pockets or layer configured voids may
exist within that crust. Too bad we still do not have the necessary
3D seismology that should have been in place as of at least 3 decades
ago.
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”[/quote:28ef10dc06] |
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How much of the whole moon is made of sodium?
I understand that our Selene/moon also has nitrogen. Isn't that a
formula for salt?
~ BG
On Oct 11, 1:18 pm, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:c0fa4c23d9]On Sep 29, 11:38 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Where's the mainstream science proving that our Selene/moon is not
somewhat hollow?
Our Selene/moon simply isn't that of a solid rock with an iron core.
There's simply not sufficient mass (or average density) for such being
of a solid clean through. Its unusually thick crust of mostly basalt
proves there's less density inside of that nearby and physically dark
sucker that's transferring and/or extracting 2e20 N/sec worth of
orbital tidal force.
~ BG
The moon interior is offering something of a lower than any mineral
saturated basalt composite density (as well as possibly semi-hollow
and/or of least compacted interior, with little of any iron core) than
the mostly solid basalt and mineral saturated crust of what such an
unusual surface of mascons has to offer. The 1.5 tonne of TNT impact
wasn’t itself likely to be visible to the naked eye, although amateur
astronomy and their extremely sensitive and terrific dynamic range
capable cameras should not have had any problems whatsoever, unless
they were intentionally misinformed and/or simply not informed as to
where and when to look. And of course the renewed and extensively
upgraded Hubble should have almost filled an entire FOV of that event
(nearly as good as the 395 meter focal-length KECK resolution), except
the Hubble image would have had a perfectly clean shot and having been
loads sharper and way better at the near IR, visual and UV spectrum.
So, where’s the beef?
http://lunarnetworks.blogspot.com/2009/10/lcross-not-meant-as-enterta....
http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse/view/M107049825RE
btw; do bother yourself as to taking proper notice as to how the
average albedo of our Selene/moon as having been recorded by the
terrific dynamic range of our spendy LROC, as upon average is in fact
nearly as dark as coal. Too bad we’re still not being allowed to
review any of the UV fluorescence imaging of those lunar minerals. If
you look further, you’ll notice a few blocked out areas that the our
LROC team intentionally limited their zoom-on resolution (it’s what
one does whenever attempting to hide something like lunar clouds of
perhaps radon gas or possibly sodium).
Apparently our spendy LRO array of high resolution and extended DR
cameras, plus multiple other science instruments was nowhere in
position to image or record anything of the impact event or even of
its subsequent dust plume.
Of whatever electrostatic charged plume of physically sooty dark as
coal moon dust that was supposed to contain loads of near polar water
vapor, as such should have stood-out like a very sore thumb or even as
obvious as a red clown nose. At least thus far we have next to zip/
nothing new to add to our extremely limited or rather mainstream
moderated knowledge of our physically dark Selene/moon, that we’ve
supposedly walked upon but somehow forgot to accomplish any truly
objective science (must be why they discarded all of our public funded
fly-by-rocket technology and having tossed out those 700 large and
clearly marked boxes of those spendy Apollo missions, along with much
of their original science data).
~ BG[/quote:c0fa4c23d9] |
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