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Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
[quote:bbed63057f]On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
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"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
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Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
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On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
[/quote:bbed63057f]
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it, natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:40 pm |
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:28 -0500, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
<snuhwolf at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
[quote:d5ddf53965]Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4A3168D3.3BEB at (no spam) earthlink.net:
"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
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Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
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On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it, natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
[/quote:d5ddf53965]
The fastest evolving organism are the smallest, the Virus. Those
critters pickup and change out pieces of DNA fast. The
Orthomyxoviridae family of Virus is a prime example of a fast
changing organism, in a matter of years it has made some very minor
changes.
Another fast changing organism is the Streptococcus Family of
Bacteria Which has several strains now which are very resistant to
what used to be very powerful anti-biotics. Some Members of the
insect family have been show to be relative fast evolvers, and some
of the earliest examples on known selection of species was in the
insect family.
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| Kali... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:51 pm |
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In article <4a32b448$0$867$c5fe31e7 at (no spam) read01.usenet4all.se>, amm-
j at (no spam) now-flushed.org says...
[quote:d29ad54a24]
On 11 Jun 2009, BaronLurk <vonlurk at (no spam) gmail.com> posted some
news:ram135hgkrvdq1eib72npnmbftivs6qnqo at (no spam) 4ax.com:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:33:49 +0000 (UTC), Cujo DeSockpuppet
cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b99f627-2eb9-4937-9a74-169b227dac6d at (no spam) b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way. Dolphins or
chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign Language. Does
this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Her DoB is July 4th 1971. Wonder what her chart would show?
Thanks for the rest of the posting. I quite agree. Although I'm
not
sure
how numerology came into it?
A. B.
If you study metaphysics, it is quite impossible to not know that
numerology, palmistry, astrology, alchemy--all were once considered
the "higher learning" that signified an intelligent and evolved
person. Astrology and numerology are different manifestations of
numbers.
It's what's called superstition because it's lacking in validity. It's
amazing how you'll whine about religion and not see that astrology has
even less basis in fact than most religions. That's one of the many
reasons why you have no credibility, Pantyhead.
As for the astrology of animals or pets etc./ I do think they will
carry the qualities of the astrological signature,
[/quote:d29ad54a24]
Well, my Pisces doxie does live in her own little world; is gentle,
sensitive, graceful, and quiet, while the the Gemini doxie is
"psycho doggie"; addicted to love, a clown, a barker, an
entertainer. But...
I could take all the astrological signs and apply them to each dog.
I'd find enough to convince anyone that they were any other sign.
[quote:d29ad54a24]but a human (and
cetation) are the only individual "souls" on the planet
[/quote:d29ad54a24]
Descarte was wrong, Ed.
[quote:d29ad54a24]that can
experience the effect of a persona, which is an outgrowth of the
chosen path in this life. The animal really does not have free will
in that sense, and so the idea of instinct (in my world) is the
animals linking to the consciousness of the species it belongs to.
Hence, they act more as a collective consciousness than individual
ego constructs. I hope that explains it.
[/quote:d29ad54a24]
woo woo - Ed has jumped the shark.
[quote:d29ad54a24]This is right up there with your "dinosaurs and lesser gravity"
theory.
I hereby nominate Edmo "Pantyhead" Wollmann for the Victor Von
Frankenstein Weird Science Award for his astrology for animals that
have souls post above.
Seconds?
This fine nomination is Seconded.
Thirded.
[/quote:d29ad54a24]
Fourthded.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:19 pm |
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Bob Officer pinched a steaming load of this:
[quote:9115f8ae29]On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:28 -0500, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
snuhwolf at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4A3168D3.3BEB at (no spam) earthlink.net:
"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:h0q4vr$c5m$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b99f627-2eb9-4937-9a74-
169b227dac6d at (no spam) b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
m:
On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it, natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
The fastest evolving organism are the smallest, the Virus. Those
critters pickup and change out pieces of DNA fast. The
Orthomyxoviridae family of Virus is a prime example of a fast
changing organism, in a matter of years it has made some very minor
changes.
[/quote:9115f8ae29]
Mainly its a factor of lifespan and response to environmental pressure.
Things that die quickly and reproduce as fast are going to show adaptations.
Drug adapted microbes are a nice example :)
[quote:9115f8ae29]
Another fast changing organism is the Streptococcus Family of
Bacteria Which has several strains now which are very resistant to
what used to be very powerful anti-biotics. Some Members of the
insect family have been show to be relative fast evolvers, and some
of the earliest examples on known selection of species was in the
insect family.
Pesticide resistant insects exist. Too bad the honeybee cant deal with[/quote:9115f8ae29]
the one-two punch of microbes and man-made chemicals.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:07 am |
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Bob Officer wrote:
[quote:a93a02b5bc]On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:28 -0500, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
snuhwolf at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4A3168D3.3BEB at (no spam) earthlink.net:
"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:h0q4vr$c5m$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b99f627-2eb9-4937-9a74-
169b227dac6d at (no spam) b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
m:
On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it, natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
The fastest evolving organism are the smallest, the Virus. Those
critters pickup and change out pieces of DNA fast. The
Orthomyxoviridae family of Virus is a prime example of a fast
changing organism, in a matter of years it has made some very minor
changes.
Another fast changing organism is the Streptococcus Family of
Bacteria Which has several strains now which are very resistant to
what used to be very powerful anti-biotics. Some Members of the
insect family have been show to be relative fast evolvers, and some
of the earliest examples on known selection of species was in the
insect family.
[/quote:a93a02b5bc]
In general, the quicker the breeding, the quicker the evolving.
Bacteria, for example, evolve really fast.
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| Bob Larter... |
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§ñühw¤£f wrote:
[quote:1d65157ada]Bob Officer pinched a steaming load of this:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:28 -0500, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
snuhwolf at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4A3168D3.3BEB at (no spam) earthlink.net:
"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:h0q4vr$c5m$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b99f627-2eb9-4937-9a74-
169b227dac6d at (no spam) b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
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On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it, natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
The fastest evolving organism are the smallest, the Virus. Those
critters pickup and change out pieces of DNA fast. The
Orthomyxoviridae family of Virus is a prime example of a fast
changing organism, in a matter of years it has made some very minor
changes.
Mainly its a factor of lifespan and response to environmental pressure.
Things that die quickly and reproduce as fast are going to show
adaptations.
Drug adapted microbes are a nice example :)
Another fast changing organism is the Streptococcus Family of
Bacteria Which has several strains now which are very resistant to
what used to be very powerful anti-biotics. Some Members of the
insect family have been show to be relative fast evolvers, and some
of the earliest examples on known selection of species was in the
insect family.
Pesticide resistant insects exist. Too bad the honeybee cant deal with
the one-two punch of microbes and man-made chemicals.
[/quote:1d65157ada]
Indeed. The USA has been having to import bees from Australia.
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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:38 am |
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Bob Larter <bobbylarter at (no spam) gmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile
of<h0vqd6$g3v$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
[quote:f1df6c424f]§ñühw¤£f wrote:
Bob Officer pinched a steaming load of this:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:28 -0500, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
snuhwolf at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4A3168D3.3BEB at (no spam) earthlink.net:
"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:h0q4vr$c5m$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b99f627-2eb9-4937-9a74-
169b227dac6d at (no spam) b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
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On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign
Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what
does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure
that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it,
natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
The fastest evolving organism are the smallest, the Virus. Those
critters pickup and change out pieces of DNA fast. The
Orthomyxoviridae family of Virus is a prime example of a fast
changing organism, in a matter of years it has made some very minor
changes.
Mainly its a factor of lifespan and response to environmental
pressure.
Things that die quickly and reproduce as fast are going to show
adaptations.
Drug adapted microbes are a nice example :)
Another fast changing organism is the Streptococcus Family of
Bacteria Which has several strains now which are very resistant to
what used to be very powerful anti-biotics. Some Members of the
insect family have been show to be relative fast evolvers, and some
of the earliest examples on known selection of species was in the
insect family.
Pesticide resistant insects exist. Too bad the honeybee cant deal
with
the one-two punch of microbes and man-made chemicals.
Indeed. The USA has been having to import bees from Australia.
[/quote:f1df6c424f]
That little pouch they have makes them soooo endearing :)
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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:19:33 -0600, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
<snuhwolf at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:ceaf21a1af]Bob Officer pinched a steaming load of this:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:28 -0500, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
snuhwolf at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4A3168D3.3BEB at (no spam) earthlink.net:
"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:h0q4vr$c5m$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b99f627-2eb9-4937-9a74-
169b227dac6d at (no spam) b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
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On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it, natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
The fastest evolving organism are the smallest, the Virus. Those
critters pickup and change out pieces of DNA fast. The
Orthomyxoviridae family of Virus is a prime example of a fast
changing organism, in a matter of years it has made some very minor
changes.
Mainly its a factor of lifespan and response to environmental pressure.
Things that die quickly and reproduce as fast are going to show adaptations.
Drug adapted microbes are a nice example :)
Another fast changing organism is the Streptococcus Family of
Bacteria Which has several strains now which are very resistant to
what used to be very powerful anti-biotics. Some Members of the
insect family have been show to be relative fast evolvers, and some
of the earliest examples on known selection of species was in the
insect family.
Pesticide resistant insects exist. Too bad the honeybee cant deal with
the one-two punch of microbes and man-made chemicals.
[/quote:ceaf21a1af]
The microbes, plus mites plus chemicals is a one two three punch.
Google "Varroa mites" for the latest group of bad guys, as if the
Acari wasn't bad enough.
http://www.ca.uky.edu/entomology/entfacts/ef608.asp
http://www.sel.barc.usda.gov/acari/content/trachealmites.html
http://www.sel.barc.usda.gov/acari/content/trachealmites.html
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| Bob Officer... |
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:07:36 +1000, in alt.astrology, Bob Larter
<bobbylarter at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:1933620ed8]Bob Officer wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:28 -0500, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
snuhwolf at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4A3168D3.3BEB at (no spam) earthlink.net:
"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:h0q4vr$c5m$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b99f627-2eb9-4937-9a74-
169b227dac6d at (no spam) b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
m:
On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it, natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
The fastest evolving organism are the smallest, the Virus. Those
critters pickup and change out pieces of DNA fast. The
Orthomyxoviridae family of Virus is a prime example of a fast
changing organism, in a matter of years it has made some very minor
changes.
Another fast changing organism is the Streptococcus Family of
Bacteria Which has several strains now which are very resistant to
what used to be very powerful anti-biotics. Some Members of the
insect family have been show to be relative fast evolvers, and some
of the earliest examples on known selection of species was in the
insect family.
In general, the quicker the breeding, the quicker the evolving.
Bacteria, for example, evolve really fast.
[/quote:1933620ed8]
and then there is edmond, the throwback.
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| Bob Larter... |
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§ñühw¤£f wrote:
[quote:76761b0181]Bob Larter <bobbylarter at (no spam) gmail.com> pinched out a steaming pile
of<h0vqd6$g3v$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com>:
§ñühw¤£f wrote:
Bob Officer pinched a steaming load of this:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:28 -0500, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
snuhwolf at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4A3168D3.3BEB at (no spam) earthlink.net:
"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:h0q4vr$c5m$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b99f627-2eb9-4937-9a74-
169b227dac6d at (no spam) b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
m:
On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign
Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what
does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure
that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it,
natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
The fastest evolving organism are the smallest, the Virus. Those
critters pickup and change out pieces of DNA fast. The
Orthomyxoviridae family of Virus is a prime example of a fast
changing organism, in a matter of years it has made some very minor
changes.
Mainly its a factor of lifespan and response to environmental
pressure.
Things that die quickly and reproduce as fast are going to show
adaptations.
Drug adapted microbes are a nice example :)
Another fast changing organism is the Streptococcus Family of
Bacteria Which has several strains now which are very resistant to
what used to be very powerful anti-biotics. Some Members of the
insect family have been show to be relative fast evolvers, and some
of the earliest examples on known selection of species was in the
insect family.
Pesticide resistant insects exist. Too bad the honeybee cant deal
with
the one-two punch of microbes and man-made chemicals.
Indeed. The USA has been having to import bees from Australia.
That little pouch they have makes them soooo endearing 
[/quote:76761b0181]
LOL.
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| Bob Larter... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:41 am |
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Bob Officer wrote:
[quote:7048083d84]On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:07:36 +1000, in alt.astrology, Bob Larter
bobbylarter at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Bob Officer wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:28 -0500, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
snuhwolf at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4A3168D3.3BEB at (no spam) earthlink.net:
"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:h0q4vr$c5m$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b99f627-2eb9-4937-9a74-
169b227dac6d at (no spam) b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
m:
On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it, natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
The fastest evolving organism are the smallest, the Virus. Those
critters pickup and change out pieces of DNA fast. The
Orthomyxoviridae family of Virus is a prime example of a fast
changing organism, in a matter of years it has made some very minor
changes.
Another fast changing organism is the Streptococcus Family of
Bacteria Which has several strains now which are very resistant to
what used to be very powerful anti-biotics. Some Members of the
insect family have been show to be relative fast evolvers, and some
of the earliest examples on known selection of species was in the
insect family.
In general, the quicker the breeding, the quicker the evolving.
Bacteria, for example, evolve really fast.
and then there is edmond, the throwback.
[/quote:7048083d84]
Maybe Koko's trainers could teach Edmo ASL?
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| BaronLurk... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:16 am |
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:41:09 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:
[quote:e054011882]Bob Officer wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:07:36 +1000, in alt.astrology, Bob Larter
bobbylarter at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Bob Officer wrote:
In general, the quicker the breeding, the quicker the evolving.
Bacteria, for example, evolve really fast.
and then there is edmond, the throwback.
Maybe Koko's trainers could teach Edmo ASL?
[/quote:e054011882]
Doesn't the subject *have to be willing to learn* for that to be
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| §ñühw¤£f... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:23 am |
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Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<lno83553tm41m9ri5dei4jmq0kdjce10l7 at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
[quote:91ac277b69]On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:19:33 -0600, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
snuhwolf at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Bob Officer pinched a steaming load of this:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:38:28 -0500, in alt.astrology, §ñühw¤£f
snuhwolf at (no spam) netscape.net> wrote:
Bob Officer <bobofficer at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> pinched out a steaming pile
of<cu6335hp2cqst94g18a3rk9g914r3lamiv at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:43:53 +0000 (UTC), in alt.astrology, Cujo
DeSockpuppet <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
Edmond Wollmann <arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4A3168D3.3BEB at (no spam) earthlink.net:
"The Honest One" wrote:
"Cujo DeSockpuppet" <cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:h0q4vr$c5m$1 at (no spam) blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0b99f627-2eb9-4937-9a74-
169b227dac6d at (no spam) b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
m:
On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "A B" <a at (no spam) a> wrote:
"BOfL" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote (8th June):
...all other species evolve only in a biological way.
Dolphins
or chimps do not get smarter. There biological progress is
complete. Little point in doing the chart of a gorilla for
instance.
A lowland gorilla called Koko learnt American Sign
Language.
Does this count as "getting smarter", and if not, what
does?
See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(gorilla)
Animals evolve over periods of time that are hard to comprehend/
measure in human terms so unless theres an enviromental pressure
that
appears in an animals biome and the species can adapt to it,
natural
selection will express itself in the survivors.
What part of that basic Bio101 is so hard to grasp?
No "unseen hand" is necessary.
Discuss.
The fastest evolving organism are the smallest, the Virus. Those
critters pickup and change out pieces of DNA fast. The
Orthomyxoviridae family of Virus is a prime example of a fast
changing organism, in a matter of years it has made some very minor
changes.
Mainly its a factor of lifespan and response to environmental
pressure.
Things that die quickly and reproduce as fast are going to show
adaptations.
Drug adapted microbes are a nice example :)
Another fast changing organism is the Streptococcus Family of
Bacteria Which has several strains now which are very resistant to
what used to be very powerful anti-biotics. Some Members of the
insect family have been show to be relative fast evolvers, and some
of the earliest examples on known selection of species was in the
insect family.
Pesticide resistant insects exist. Too bad the honeybee cant deal
with
the one-two punch of microbes and man-made chemicals.
The microbes, plus mites plus chemicals is a one two three punch.
Google "Varroa mites" for the latest group of bad guys, as if the
Acari wasn't bad enough.
http://www.ca.uky.edu/entomology/entfacts/ef608.asp
http://www.sel.barc.usda.gov/acari/content/trachealmites.html
They'd have to be really tiny to live in a bees *trachea*...[/quote:91ac277b69]
"The honey bee tracheal mite, Acarapis woodi (Rennie), is an internal
parasite of adult honey bees, Apis mellifera L. Due to its small size
(143-167 µm)"
Nasty little buggars...
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| BaronLurk... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:30 am |
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:09:25 +0000 (UTC), Cujo DeSockpuppet
<cujo at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
[quote:e79a7a416d]BaronLurk <vonlurk at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
news:e9j935diepe9d7bq2586kgbfvh43pts2nv at (no spam) 4ax.com:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:41:09 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
Bob Officer wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:07:36 +1000, in alt.astrology, Bob Larter
bobbylarter at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Bob Officer wrote:
In general, the quicker the breeding, the quicker the evolving.
Bacteria, for example, evolve really fast.
and then there is edmond, the throwback.
Maybe Koko's trainers could teach Edmo ASL?
Doesn't the subject *have to be willing to learn* for that to be
effective?
Doesn't the subject *have to capable of learning* for that to be
effective??2??
[/quote:e79a7a416d]
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| A B... |
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"Edmond Wollmann" <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote(11th June):
[quote:89350636b4]As for the astrology of animals or pets etc./ I do think they will
carry the qualities of the astrological signature, but a human (and
cetation) are the only individual "souls" on the planet that can
experience the effect of a persona, which is an outgrowth of the
chosen path in this life. The animal really does not have free will in
that sense, and so the idea of instinct (in my world) is the animals
linking to the consciousness of the species it belongs to. Hence, they
act more as a collective consciousness than individual ego constructs.
I hope that explains it.
[/quote:89350636b4]
I know what you meant, but I'm not sure where you get it from. I have never
found any indication that animals are basically any different from humans
(and cetaceans, if you like). Please could you explain why you think this?
I am particularly interested in this topic so would like to have all the
facts.
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