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| PolicySpy... |
 Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:35 am |
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The entries for the 100 MPG X-Prize are set...
http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams
And it looks very good.
There are some tricycles, there are some very small cars, and there are some
cars converted from standard cars. But many other cars look like exotic
prototypes. And there is some surprising technology...like compressed air.
The Loremo diesel looks very practical and very capable. But there is some
highly developed hybrid technology as well.
So at the web link...click every team like that offers a photo or a
video...and then ask yourself...does this look like something or not ? |
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| Don Stauffer... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:19 am |
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PolicySpy wrote:
[quote:6ce9d2d784]The entries for the 100 MPG X-Prize are set...
http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams
And it looks very good.
There are some tricycles, there are some very small cars, and there are some
cars converted from standard cars. But many other cars look like exotic
prototypes. And there is some surprising technology...like compressed air.
[/quote:6ce9d2d784]
Wouldn't you have to count the fuel cost of whatever drives the
compressor? In that case, the compressed air engine is not that great.
[quote:6ce9d2d784]
The Loremo diesel looks very practical and very capable. But there is some
highly developed hybrid technology as well.
[/quote:6ce9d2d784]
How well a hybrid would do depends on the exact duty cycle. Hybrids are
efficient only if the power requirement is very cyclical. If it is a lot
of high speed cruise the hybrid doesn't help much. Notice that most
current hybrids get better gas milage in town than on highway.
The trick on a high milage car for winning a prize is to size engine for
top speed requirement, which likely means a small engine. It is amazing
how little power is required to drive today's cars at 60 mph. No
acceleration performance, but if that is not required for the prize,
fine. Whether folks would buy a production car like that is another
question.
[quote:6ce9d2d784]
So at the web link...click every team like that offers a photo or a
video...and then ask yourself...does this look like something or not ?
[/quote:6ce9d2d784] |
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| Kevin... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:16 am |
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Scotius <yodasbud at (no spam) mnsi.net> wrote in
news:k7l075ppokl91ajg4gk9p4rsls6irl4n0m at (no spam) 4ax.com:
[quote:f9fbecdff0]On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 04:35:07 -0400, "PolicySpy" <PIntell at (no spam) notmail.com
wrote:
The entries for the 100 MPG X-Prize are set...
http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams
And it looks very good.
There are some tricycles, there are some very small cars, and there
are some cars converted from standard cars. But many other cars look
like exotic prototypes. And there is some surprising technology...like
compressed air.
The Loremo diesel looks very practical and very capable. But there is
some highly developed hybrid technology as well.
So at the web link...click every team like that offers a photo or a
video...and then ask yourself...does this look like something or not ?
The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".
However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas.
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if you truly beleive there is a super carb I feel sorry for you. you
must beleive in Santa Clause also. No such thing, no such how, not one
creditable example of such ever been. (aside from the fact the science
doesn`t show it possible.) KB
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| Scotius... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:57 am |
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On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 04:35:07 -0400, "PolicySpy" <PIntell at (no spam) notmail.com>
wrote:
[quote:79b59f79d5]The entries for the 100 MPG X-Prize are set...
http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams
And it looks very good.
There are some tricycles, there are some very small cars, and there are some
cars converted from standard cars. But many other cars look like exotic
prototypes. And there is some surprising technology...like compressed air.
The Loremo diesel looks very practical and very capable. But there is some
highly developed hybrid technology as well.
So at the web link...click every team like that offers a photo or a
video...and then ask yourself...does this look like something or not ?
[/quote:79b59f79d5]
The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".
However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas. |
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| Scott Dorsey... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:33 am |
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Scotius <yodasbud at (no spam) mnsi.net> wrote:
[quote:4a2b2b8c38] The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".
[/quote:4a2b2b8c38]
This technology is called the "motorcycle" and I have it on good word
that several companies in Japan and Germany, as well as at least one in
the US, are currently developing these "motorcycles" which should be on
the market soon.
[quote:4a2b2b8c38] However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas.
[/quote:4a2b2b8c38]
There is no miracle fuel system, there is only efficiency caused by reducing
wind resistance and decreasing mass. There's only so much you can do with
a monster SUV design.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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| Ted \"I survived Chappaquiddick\" Kennedy... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:53 am |
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On Jul 29, 2:00 pm, Scotius <yodas... at (no spam) mnsi.net> wrote:
[quote:ce527445d3]On 29 Jul 2009 10:33:08 -0400, klu... at (no spam) panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Scotius <yodas... at (no spam) mnsi.net> wrote:
The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".
This technology is called the "motorcycle" and I have it on good word
that several companies in Japan and Germany, as well as at least one in
the US, are currently developing these "motorcycles" which should be on
the market soon.
However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas.
There is no miracle fuel system, there is only efficiency caused by reducing
wind resistance and decreasing mass. There's only so much you can do with
a monster SUV design.
--scott
A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I think he would
know.
[/quote:ce527445d3]
So, was he dressed as Clark Kent, or as Superman? |
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| hls... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:41 am |
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge at (no spam) panix.com> wrote in message
news:h4pmj4$rui$1 at (no spam) panix2.panix.com...
[quote:cd151cebfe]There is no miracle fuel system, there is only efficiency caused by
reducing
wind resistance and decreasing mass. There's only so much you can do with
a monster SUV design.
--scott
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Ditto...and to take it further, acetone, hydrolyzed water, etc are not magic
either. There is still no free lunch. |
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| Scotius... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:00 pm |
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On 29 Jul 2009 10:33:08 -0400, kludge at (no spam) panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
[quote:0ff633a3ce]Scotius <yodasbud at (no spam) mnsi.net> wrote:
The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".
This technology is called the "motorcycle" and I have it on good word
that several companies in Japan and Germany, as well as at least one in
the US, are currently developing these "motorcycles" which should be on
the market soon.
However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas.
There is no miracle fuel system, there is only efficiency caused by reducing
wind resistance and decreasing mass. There's only so much you can do with
a monster SUV design.
--scott
[/quote:0ff633a3ce]
A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I think he would
know. |
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| Scott Dorsey... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:40 pm |
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Scotius <yodasbud at (no spam) mnsi.net> wrote:
[quote:66012d39bd]
A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I think he would
know.
[/quote:66012d39bd]
So, why isn't he using one?
--scott
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| necromancer - ECHM... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:13 pm |
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:00:57 -0400, Scotius <yodasbud at (no spam) mnsi.net> wrote:
[quote:26f93d5e32]A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I think he would
know.
[/quote:26f93d5e32]
Then why doesn't Ford bring it to market and capitalize on the,
"green," trend with some 100+ MPG cars that don't rely on highly
sophisticated junk like hybrid drives?
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| hls... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:36 pm |
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"necromancer - ECHM"
[quote:2b7d8355bd]Then why doesn't Ford bring it to market and capitalize on the,
"green," trend with some 100+ MPG cars that don't rely on highly
sophisticated junk like hybrid drives?
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Because it is all horse carp. Pogue designed a carburetor that was
supposed to do this, but it failed miserably. Fish also put out some
"high mileage" carburetors, but they werent.
You CANNOT avoid the laws of thermodynamics. There is NO
perpetual motion,and there is no super high economy carburetor.
Anyone who believes there is has to be severaly under-educated. |
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| Brent... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:36 am |
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On 2009-07-30, hls <hls at (no spam) nospam.nix> wrote:
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"Scotius" <yodasbud at (no spam) mnsi.net> wrote in message
You CANNOT avoid the laws of thermodynamics. There is NO
perpetual motion,and there is no super high economy carburetor.
No one was talking about "perpetual motion" as far as I know.
That's a straw man argument, and not one I was trying to make. And by
the way, the universe is in perpetual motion.
Are you versed in thermodynamics? If not, spend a little time and
educate yourself. When you do, you will realize the defects in your
arguments.
One cannot, with magic carburetors or anything else, avoid the rules
of thermo.
Yes, some engines in some vehicles can deliver 100 mpg, but these
are not magically carburetted. They follow the same rules of science
that all other engines follow.
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laws of phsyics... bah. Just have congress legislate a 100mpg minimum
and cars will get that. The government defines reality! |
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| Brent... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:38 am |
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On 2009-07-30, jim <".sjedgingN0sp" at (no spam) m> wrote:
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Brent wrote:
laws of phsyics... bah. Just have congress legislate a 100mpg minimum
and cars will get that. The government defines reality!
All congress would have to do is put a $200/barrel tax on petroleum and lots of
fuel efficient transportation solutions would come popping out of the woodwork.
[/quote:cacc6edfcd]
um no. government intervention cannot change reality and its
consequences are usually worse than what the intervention was supposed
to correct. |
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| Scotius... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:00 am |
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On 29 Jul 2009 15:40:07 -0400, kludge at (no spam) panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
[quote:bc482f73a7]Scotius <yodasbud at (no spam) mnsi.net> wrote:
A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I think he would
know.
So, why isn't he using one?
--scott
[/quote:bc482f73a7]
I've read that they work for a while, but the additives gas
companies put in make it gum up rather quickly and it degrades back to
about average. |
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| Scotius... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:02 am |
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On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:13:30 -0400, necromancer - ECHM
<a_septic_yank at (no spam) worldofnecromancer_no_spam_no_way.org> wrote:
[quote:e4e5404607]On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:00:57 -0400, Scotius <yodasbud at (no spam) mnsi.net> wrote:
A former Ford executive I met at a dinner I recently went to
for a friend told me the "super-carburetor" was real. I think he would
know.
Then why doesn't Ford bring it to market and capitalize on the,
"green," trend with some 100+ MPG cars that don't rely on highly
sophisticated junk like hybrid drives?
[/quote:e4e5404607]
Duh! It's called a "gentlemen's agreement". I'm sure they have
one with the oil companies.
Maybe the oil companies promised to start releasing such
patents if they were allowed to gouge for a few years, and that's why
they were allowed to get away with it? Or maybe they just wanted to be
able to buy up all the alternative energy stuff so once cars start
running on fuels other than gas they'll be supplying those too... |
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