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| Immortalist... |
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....Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish;
but wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will have
a tranquil flow of life. Men are not worried by things, but by their
ideas about things. When we meet difficulties, become anxious or
troubled, let us not blame others, but rather ourselves, that is: our
idea about things
....Some things are up to us and some are not up to us. Our opinions
are up to us, our impulses, desires, aversions, in-short whatever is
our doing. Our bodies are not up to us, nor our possessions, our
reputations, or our public offices, or that is, whatever is not of our
own doing.
--Epictetus |
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| ZerkonXXXX... |
| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:37 am |
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 19:05:26 -0700, Immortalist wrote:
[quote:23daca0eca]...Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish; but
wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will have a
tranquil flow of life. Men are not worried by things, but by their ideas
about things. When we meet difficulties, become anxious or troubled, let
us not blame others, but rather ourselves, that is: our idea about
things
...Some things are up to us and some are not up to us. Our opinions are
up to us, our impulses, desires, aversions, in-short whatever is our
doing. Our bodies are not up to us, nor our possessions, our
reputations, or our public offices, or that is, whatever is not of our
own doing.
--Epictetus
[/quote:23daca0eca]
"Suffering arises from trying to control what is uncontrollable, or from
neglecting what is within our power." ...and lacking the wisdom to tell
the difference. |
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:49 pm |
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On May 26, 7:05 pm, Immortalist <reanimater_2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:d80d600e00]...Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish;
but wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will have
a tranquil flow of life. Men are not worried by things, but by their
ideas about things. When we meet difficulties, become anxious or
troubled, let us not blame others, but rather ourselves, that is: our
idea about things
...Some things are up to us and some are not up to us. Our opinions
are up to us, our impulses, desires, aversions, in-short whatever is
our doing. Our bodies are not up to us, nor our possessions, our
reputations, or our public offices, or that is, whatever is not of our
own doing.
--Epictetus
[/quote:d80d600e00]
Or, as I have said for years, the universe has no built-in meaning.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.astrology/msg/cc03ab8ff7f7e8d6?hl=en
"Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality
Open your eyes, Look up to the skies and seeeee,
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy,
Because I'm easy come, easy go, Little high, little low,
Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me, to me." Queen,
Bohemian Rahpsody
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2009 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
The SUN http://www.edmondwollmann.com/ |
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:14 pm |
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On 27 Maj, 04:05, Immortalist <reanimater_2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:91a0662897]...Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish;
but wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will have
a tranquil flow of life. Men are not worried by things, but by their
ideas about things. When we meet difficulties, become anxious or
troubled, let us not blame others, but rather ourselves, that is: our
idea about things
...Some things are up to us and some are not up to us. Our opinions
are up to us, our impulses, desires, aversions, in-short whatever is
our doing. Our bodies are not up to us, nor our possessions, our
reputations, or our public offices, or that is, whatever is not of our
own doing.
--Epictetus
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Well, unless you are proposing a dualism then our judgments are not up
to us if epictetus is right, since he says our bodies are not up to
us. From where do our judgments arise? |
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:21 pm |
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On 27 Maj, 04:05, Immortalist <reanimater_2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:9b459b0f7f]...Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish;
but wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will have
a tranquil flow of life. Men are not worried by things, but by their
ideas about things. When we meet difficulties, become anxious or
troubled, let us not blame others, but rather ourselves, that is: our
idea about things
...Some things are up to us and some are not up to us. Our opinions
are up to us, our impulses, desires, aversions, in-short whatever is
our doing. Our bodies are not up to us, nor our possessions, our
reputations, or our public offices, or that is, whatever is not of our
own doing.
--Epictetus
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Stoics trained themselves to accept everything except their own
'negative' emotions and reactions and those of others. These they
judged and resented.
So for them emotions had a quasi realness and so did what they
considered untoward reactions. These could be seen as optional, but
everything else should be accepted as it is.
A very odd metaphysics.
And a modern materialist must come up with some sort of dualism to
defend stoicism. The Real and the Optional become the new substances. |
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 5:25 pm |
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On May 27, 7:14 pm, greasethew... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
[quote:b38e690037]On 27 Maj, 04:05, Immortalist <reanimater_2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
...Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish;
but wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will have
a tranquil flow of life. Men are not worried by things, but by their
ideas about things. When we meet difficulties, become anxious or
troubled, let us not blame others, but rather ourselves, that is: our
idea about things
[/quote:b38e690037]
There is no "that's the way they are." The way "things are, is the way
you create them to be. Consciously or UNconsciously.
[quote:b38e690037]...Some things are up to us and some are not up to us. Our opinions
are up to us, our impulses, desires, aversions, in-short whatever is
our doing. Our bodies are not up to us, nor our possessions, our
[/quote:b38e690037]
Not true. When you say "us" is where the critical point lies. Exactly
how do you define identity? When you say us it is assumed that you
speak of the conscious self. There is conscious commandment, but there
is also unconscious creation, and that is what is created and
determined by what you call our --
Body--created by the whole self. The body is the physical translation
of all levels of consciousness made manifest. That is why they call it
dis-ease.
Our possesions are the physical extension of ideas about self worth
(second house, Taurus) and self efficacy beliefs.
[quote:b38e690037]reputations, or our public offices, or that is, whatever is not of our
own doing.
[/quote:b38e690037]
Reputations, public offices are the effect of our belief definitions
regarding strategic effectiveness in the physical world, internalized
by the father figure (Saturn, Capricorn). Yes, they are in our
control, maybe not conscious control always, but effects none the
less.
[quote:b38e690037]--Epictetus
Well, unless you are proposing a dualism then our judgments are not up
to us if epictetus is right, since he says our bodies are not up to
us. From where do our judgments arise?
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Judgments arise from the conscious minds need to reinforce the
identity, and support its survival, but this can be carried to the
negative wherein the self percieves threats to that survival where
none actually exist.
25 "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you
will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will
put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?
26Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor
gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of
more value than they?
27Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?
28"So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the
field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29and yet I say to
you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of
these. 30Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is,
and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe
you, O you of little faith?
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2009 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
The SUN http://www.edmondwollmann.com/ |
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| Dave U. Random... |
| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 8:22 pm |
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In article <43d8f5f8-189e-40d1-9839-340927cb3c7b at (no spam) y17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net wrote:
[quote:c087327e89]
On May 27, 7:14=A0pm, greasethew... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
On 27 Maj, 04:05, Immortalist <reanimater_2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
...Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish;
but wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will have
a tranquil flow of life. Men are not worried by things, but by their
ideas about things. When we meet difficulties, become anxious or
troubled, let us not blame others, but rather ourselves, that is: our
idea about things
There is no "that's the way they are." The way "things are, is the way
you create them to be.
[/quote:c087327e89]
So that's why you created a reality where you're a net kook?! |
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| SuperPack... |
| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:04 am |
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In article <aff55589-5719-47c2-b7f8-4d1e40d37731 at (no spam) r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
arcturianone at (no spam) earthlink.net wrote:
[quote:43cb706a3e]
Or, as I have said for years, I AM A KOOK.
http://www.smbtech.com/ed
[/quote:43cb706a3e]
URL fixored!!1!! |
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| walterimlenz... |
| Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:00 pm |
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On 29 Mai, 10:55, walterimlenz <goo... at (no spam) mwelzel.de> wrote:
[quote:3bf1904116]But in our
days in the Western World, we are at least partly capable to control
our bodies, possessions etc. and we don't need to restrict ourselves
to mind-control.
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But - maybe - the climate change and other things might renew the need
for this kind of philosophy. |
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| Edmond Wollmann... |
| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:09 am |
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On May 27, 11:22 pm, Dave U. Random <anonym... at (no spam) anonymitaet-im-
inter.net> wrote:
[quote:d8ccd733d0]In article <43d8f5f8-189e-40d1-9839-340927cb3... at (no spam) y17g2000yqn.googlegroups..com
arcturian... at (no spam) earthlink.net wrote:
On May 27, 7:14=A0pm, greasethew... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
On 27 Maj, 04:05, Immortalist <reanimater_2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
...Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish;
but wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will have
a tranquil flow of life. Men are not worried by things, but by their
ideas about things. When we meet difficulties, become anxious or
troubled, let us not blame others, but rather ourselves, that is: our
idea about things
There is no "that's the way they are." The way "things are, is the way
you create them to be.
So that's why you created a reality where you're a net kook?!
[/quote:d8ccd733d0]
No, that is your reality, and an increasingly minority perspective.
You few stalkers have been so obsessed with me that you are missing
the fact that you are now regarded as the kooks and the rare event.
How does it serve you to tell you about your psyche and poor choices
to create a reality of such a small perspective and memebership based
only on your fear of me and the advance of empowerment? I am sure you
can find a positive reason, or you would not create it.
I have faith in you to create a positive rather than negative reality
no matter HOW miserable you insist on being. You may stop lying to
yourselves at any given moment and create a more preferable reality.
"A lie would have no sense unless the truth were felt dangerous."
Alfred Adler
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2009 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
The SUN http://www.edmondwollmann.com/ |
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| Edmond Wollmann, Eye in The Sky... |
| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:23 am |
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On May 29, 9:46 am, Cujo DeSockpuppet <c... at (no spam) petitmorte.net> wrote:
[quote:48872538ce]Edmond Wollmann <AArctophi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote innews:9d69d563-1cbb-49b4-9dd6-ddbdab091c0c at (no spam) z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com:
On May 27, 11:22 pm, Dave U. Random <anonym... at (no spam) anonymitaet-im-
inter.net> wrote:
In article
43d8f5f8-189e-40d1-9839-340927cb3... at (no spam) y17g2000yqn.googlegroups
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arcturian... at (no spam) earthlink.net wrote:
On May 27, 7:14=A0pm, greasethew... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
On 27 Maj, 04:05, Immortalist <reanimater_2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
...Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you
wish; but wish the things which happen to be as they are, and
you will ha
ve
a tranquil flow of life. Men are not worried by things, but by
thei
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ideas about things. When we meet difficulties, become anxious
or troubled, let us not blame others, but rather ourselves,
that is: o
ur
idea about things
There is no "that's the way they are." The way "things are, is the
way you create them to be.
So that's why you created a reality where you're a net kook?!
No, that is your reality, and an increasingly minority perspective.
How did you figure that, Pantyhead? You can whine all you want to ISPs
and they *still* laugh at you. You're still powerless and haven't come up
with any new tricks in years.
It's still the same stale screed and even your lies have gotten moldy.
You few stalkers have been so obsessed with me that you are missing
the fact that you are now regarded as the kooks and the rare event.
Not from where I sit but you're free to continue your delusion as long as
you make it entertaining.
How does it serve you to tell you about your psyche and poor choices
to create a reality of such a small perspective and memebership based
only on your fear of me and the advance of empowerment? I am sure you
can find a positive reason, or you would not create it.
Let's see:
1. No rubes for you!
2. Foamage from the Uberkook.
3. It's free entertainment.
4. People learn how to make bad arguments from you.
[/quote:48872538ce]
It would be funny and entertaining if it wasn't for the fact that in
your years of obsession with me and this group that you actually
believe that you have accomplished something and stopped me from not.
That part is scary and reflects the severeity of your illness.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2009 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
The SUN http://www.edmondwollmann.com/ |
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| Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer... |
| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 3:38 pm |
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In article <cd8aeae9-1aad-4bf2-9943-9a7751453777 at (no spam) j12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>
"Edmond Wollmann, Loser" <acheaoptryx at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:b34688d5bc]
I dropped out of high school when I was 15 because I was burned 3rd
degree 50% of my body in an accident where a friend splashed lit
gasoline on me by
[/quote:b34688d5bc]
Translation: I was a stupid moron back then too. |
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| SuperPack... |
| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 4:36 pm |
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In article <9d69d563-1cbb-49b4-9dd6-ddbdab091c0c at (no spam) z19g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>
Edmond Wollmann <AArctophilax at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:ad44f63af5]
On May 27, 11:22=A0pm, Dave U. Random <anonym... at (no spam) anonymitaet-im-
inter.net> wrote:
In article <43d8f5f8-189e-40d1-9839-340927cb3... at (no spam) y17g2000yqn.googlegroups=
.com
arcturian... at (no spam) earthlink.net wrote:
On May 27, 7:14=3DA0pm, greasethew... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
On 27 Maj, 04:05, Immortalist <reanimater_2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
...Seek not that the things which happen should happen as you wish;
but wish the things which happen to be as they are, and you will ha=
ve
a tranquil flow of life. Men are not worried by things, but by thei=
r
ideas about things. When we meet difficulties, become anxious or
troubled, let us not blame others, but rather ourselves, that is: o=
ur
idea about things
There is no "that's the way they are." The way "things are, is the way
you create them to be.
So that's why you created a reality where you're a net kook?!
No, that is your reality, and an increasingly minority perspective.
[/quote:ad44f63af5]
http://www.smbtech.com/ed says otherwise, imbecile. |
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| Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:02 pm |
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:51 -0700 (PDT), "Edmond Wollmann, Eye in The
Sky" <acheaoptryx at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:96e297bee6]On May 28, 4:26 am, Bob Officer <boboffic... at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 18:49:42 -0700 (PDT), in alt.astrology,
arcturian... at (no spam) earthlink.net wrote:
Or, as I have said for years, the universe has no built-in meaning.
Which if you thought for a second (come on Eddie you can if you
really try hard) Astrology has no basis.
No, incorrect. Astrology reflects the archetypal meaning that the
COLLECTIVE assigns to it, that is why astrological interpretations are
not static.
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I still find no nexus from Astrology to traffic reporting. Mr. "Eye in
The Sky." Are you saying you predict tie-ups using the stars?
Does "Dr." Louis Turi know about this? |
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On May 29, 2:47 pm, Bob Officer <boboffic... at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote:
[quote:c97205de0a]On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:51 -0700 (PDT), in alt.astrology, "Edmond
Wollmann, Eye in The Sky" <acheaopt... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 28, 4:26 am, Bob Officer <boboffic... at (no spam) 127.0.0.7> wrote:
On Wed, 27 May 2009 18:49:42 -0700 (PDT), in alt.astrology,
arcturian... at (no spam) earthlink.net wrote:
Or, as I have said for years, the universe has no built-in meaning.
Which if you thought for a second (come on Eddie you can if you
really try hard) Astrology has no basis.
No, incorrect.
Actually eddie I was studying astrology at my godmother knee while
you were shifting your diapers.
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Yes, I shifted my diapers from one reality to another whenever the
desire came over me--or they were full of poop.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2009 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.astroconsulting.com/personal/
The SUN http://www.edmondwollmann.com/ |
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