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| Roger Coppock... |
 Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:11 pm |
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Latest Satellite Data Show A Warming Global Climate
The satellite record, in all its current interpretations,
shows that the air near the surface is warming.
For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements
The URL below is one of the more conservative records
from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2
The global data given above are graphed here:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg
The regression statistics for the line in the graph above
are below.
Coefficients:
Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
(Intercept) -25.39055 2.13541 -11.9 <2e-16
YEARMON 0.01277 0.00107 11.9 7.27e-28
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Residual standard error: 0.179 on 362 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-Squared: 0.282
F-statistic: 142 on 1 and 362 DF, p-value: 7.27e-28 |
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| Roger Coppock... |
| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:34 pm |
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On Apr 6, 8:31 pm, "BobLl" <bob_ll... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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[quote:46eb5f38be]However, I'm happy to accept your statistical argument that it cannot be
determined whether the global temperature has been warming or cooling for
the last 10 years. Make sure to tell the politicians.
[/quote:46eb5f38be]
Well, I'll be!
[quote:46eb5f38be]How about the hemisphere disparity? No answers for that one I see.
[/quote:46eb5f38be]
That the Northern Hemisphere would warm faster
than the Southern was predicted by Arrhenius
in 1896. CO2 has more effect over land than
sea, and the Northern Hemisphere has more land
than the Southern. |
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| What A. Fool... |
| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:37 pm |
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On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:11:41 -0700 (PDT), Roger Coppock
<rcoppock at (no spam) adnc.com> wrote:
[quote:4e811fe529]Latest Satellite Data Show A Warming Global Climate
The satellite record, in all its current interpretations,
shows that the air near the surface is warming.
For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements
The URL below is one of the more conservative records
from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2
The global data given above are graphed here:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg
The regression statistics for the line in the graph above
are below.
Coefficients:
Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
(Intercept) -25.39055 2.13541 -11.9 <2e-16
YEARMON 0.01277 0.00107 11.9 7.27e-28
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Residual standard error: 0.179 on 362 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-Squared: 0.282
F-statistic: 142 on 1 and 362 DF, p-value: 7.27e-28
[/quote:4e811fe529]
Broken promises, you keep promising warming,
I keep freezing. |
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| matt_sykes... |
| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:05 pm |
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On Apr 7, 7:34 am, Roger Coppock <rcopp... at (no spam) adnc.com> wrote:
[quote:efdc4d5020]On Apr 6, 8:31 pm, "BobLl" <bob_ll... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[ . . . ]
However, I'm happy to accept your statistical argument that it cannot be
determined whether the global temperature has been warming or cooling for
the last 10 years. Make sure to tell the politicians.
Well, I'll be!
How about the hemisphere disparity? No answers for that one I see.
That the Northern Hemisphere would warm faster
than the Southern was predicted by Arrhenius
in 1896. CO2 has more effect over land than
sea, and the Northern Hemisphere has more land
than the Southern.
[/quote:efdc4d5020]
But the land in the south isnt warming. In fact much of it is
cooling. So Arrhenius is wrong, and so are you. AGW is nothing but
natural variability and intentionaly fraudulent scinece. |
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| oonbz... |
| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:51 am |
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"Roger Coppock" <rcoppock at (no spam) adnc.com> wrote in message
news:dea9d01d-fd01-4563-9f28-a73c0cef4ea9 at (no spam) p11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 8:31 pm, "BobLl" <bob_ll... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[ . . . ]
[quote:c3e5c853df]However, I'm happy to accept your statistical argument that it cannot be
determined whether the global temperature has been warming or cooling for
the last 10 years. Make sure to tell the politicians.
[/quote:c3e5c853df]
Well, I'll be!
[quote:c3e5c853df]How about the hemisphere disparity? No answers for that one I see.
[/quote:c3e5c853df]
That the Northern Hemisphere would warm faster
than the Southern was predicted by Arrhenius
in 1896. CO2 has more effect over land than
sea, and the Northern Hemisphere has more land
than the Southern.
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And MUCH, MUCH MORE UHI !!!!!
Warmest Regards
Bonzo |
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| Catoni... |
| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:20 pm |
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On Apr 6, 11:37 pm, What A. Fool <Wh... at (no spam) fool.ami> wrote:
[quote:9675ea638b]On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:11:41 -0700 (PDT), Roger Coppock
rcopp... at (no spam) adnc.com> wrote:
Latest Satellite Data Show A Warming Global Climate
The satellite record, in all its current interpretations,
shows that the air near the surface is warming.
For background on the satellite temperature proxy please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements
The URL below is one of the more conservative records
from the University of Alabama at Huntsville.
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2
The global data given above are graphed here:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg
The regression statistics for the line in the graph above
are below.
Coefficients:
Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
(Intercept) -25.39055 2.13541 -11.9 <2e-16
YEARMON 0.01277 0.00107 11.9 7.27e-28
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Residual standard error: 0.179 on 362 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-Squared: 0.282
F-statistic: 142 on 1 and 362 DF, p-value: 7.27e-28
Broken promises, you keep promising warming,
I keep freezing.- Hide quoted text -
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Yeah, same here. They keep making warming promises, for about thirty
years now, but we keep getting cooler weather then usual. Shouldn't it
be a little warmer then usual after so many years of "Warming"?
I hope for Global Warming, and look forward to it. Less snow to
shovel, and maybe I won't have to retire to Florida.
I hope we aren't headed for Global Cooling. |
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| z... |
| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:40 am |
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On Apr 6, 11:31 pm, "BobLl" <bob_ll... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote:d2e6ce38d9]
However, I'm happy to accept your statistical argument that it cannot be
determined whether the global temperature has been warming or cooling for
the last 10 years. Make sure to tell the politicians.
[/quote:d2e6ce38d9]
like so?
"The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) requires the calculation
of averages for consecutive periods of 30 years, with the latest
covering the 1961-1990 period. However, many WMO members, including
the UK, update their averages at the completion of each decade. Thirty
years was chosen as a period long enough to eliminate year-to-year
variations." http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/ |
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| z... |
| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:42 am |
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On Apr 7, 5:05 am, matt_sykes <zzeb... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote:bb8c1671e7]But the land in the south isnt warming. In fact much of it is
cooling. So Arrhenius is wrong, and so are you. AGW is nothing but
natural variability and intentionaly fraudulent scinece.- Hide quoted text -
[/quote:bb8c1671e7]
ah yes, denialism, the theory that this graph http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg
is flat. |
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| z... |
| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:17 am |
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On Apr 7, 8:20 pm, Catoni <caton... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
[quote:0f2ceb66d3]
Yeah, same here. They keep making warming promises, for about thirty
years now, but we keep getting cooler weather then usual. Shouldn't it
be a little warmer then usual after so many years of "Warming"?
[/quote:0f2ceb66d3]
"The Arbor Day Foundation has recently completed an extensive updating
of U.S. Hardiness Zones based upon data from 5,000 National Climatic
Data Center cooperative stations across the continental United States.
"This animation illustrates the general warming that has occurred from
1990 to 2006. Click the play button to see how the hardiness zones
have changed. "
http://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm |
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| Roger Coppock... |
| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:29 am |
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On Apr 16, 7:18 am, Robert Grumbine <b... at (no spam) saltmine.radix.net> wrote:
[quote:a64579d055]In article <6dc81b8d-7d07-48d2-bd43-0b1af566f... at (no spam) w40g2000yqd.googlegroups..com>, z wrote:
On Apr 6, 11:31 pm, "BobLl" <bob_ll... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
However, I'm happy to accept your statistical argument that it cannot be
determined whether the global temperature has been warming or cooling for
the last 10 years. Make sure to tell the politicians.
like so?
"The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) requires the calculation
of averages for consecutive periods of 30 years, with the latest
covering the 1961-1990 period. However, many WMO members, including
the UK, update their averages at the completion of each decade. Thirty
years was chosen as a period long enough to eliminate year-to-year
variations."http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/
For some more illustration of why you need 20-30 years to determine a
climate trend, seehttp://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2009/01/results-on-deciding-t...
and its preceding 'how to' note.
For more on why it's also 20-30 years to get an average, seehttp://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-is-climate-2.html
--
Robert Grumbinehttp://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/Science blog
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences
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Thank you, Robert! |
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| Robert Grumbine... |
| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:18 am |
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In article <6dc81b8d-7d07-48d2-bd43-0b1af566f26c at (no spam) w40g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, z wrote:
[quote:d13ee68444]On Apr 6, 11:31 pm, "BobLl" <bob_ll... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
However, I'm happy to accept your statistical argument that it cannot be
determined whether the global temperature has been warming or cooling for
the last 10 years. Make sure to tell the politicians.
like so?
"The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) requires the calculation
of averages for consecutive periods of 30 years, with the latest
covering the 1961-1990 period. However, many WMO members, including
the UK, update their averages at the completion of each decade. Thirty
years was chosen as a period long enough to eliminate year-to-year
variations." http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/
[/quote:d13ee68444]
For some more illustration of why you need 20-30 years to determine a
climate trend, see
http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2009/01/results-on-deciding-trends.html
and its preceding 'how to' note.
For more on why it's also 20-30 years to get an average, see
http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-is-climate-2.html
--
Robert Grumbine http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/ Science blog
Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they
would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences |
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| enigma... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:41 am |
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..... an argument that has been discussed time and time again
in this group because people like you do not seem to have the capacity
to
comprehend.
Are you lost ?
The door is over there ==============> |
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| Roger Coppock... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:51 pm |
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On Oct 12, 1:41 pm, enigma <enigma_... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:ead0e5a93c] ..... an argument that has been discussed time and time again
in this group because people like you do not seem to have the capacity
to
comprehend.
Are you lost ?
The door is over there ==============
[/quote:ead0e5a93c]
Tom continually demonstrates that he's no chemist.
I don't know how anyone can get a science degree
without knowing how to analyze a time series. |
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