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| Peter Hucker... |
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We have a wireless network at work which appears to have gone downhill since the workmen installed PIRs for the burglar alarm. One of them in particular appears to cause dropped packets the closer a laptop is to it. Is this possible?? It's not a wireless PIR as far as I know, as I can see some leftover cable he was using which is a multicore (about 10 cores) type similar to phone systems, so I assume this is for the signal aswell as power. The person in that office swears blind that there were absolutely no problems until the PIR was installed above her desk, and now when I check, about 60% of the packets are being dropped. Moving her laptop to the opposite side of the room it drops only 5% of packets. PIRs used to just pick up infrared of your bodyheat, but I think now they are also motion sensors? Perhaps this means they are sending out a signal and bouncing it off you? Perhaps this could interfere with wireless networking?
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| John Fields... |
| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:18 pm |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:20:10 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com>
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We have a wireless network at work which appears to have gone downhill
since the workmen installed PIRs for the burglar alarm. One of them in
particular appears to cause dropped packets the closer a laptop is to
it. Is this possible?? It's not a wireless PIR as far as I know, as I
can see some leftover cable he was using which is a multicore (about 10
cores) type similar to phone systems, so I assume this is for the signal
aswell as power. The person in that office swears blind that there were
absolutely no problems until the PIR was installed above her desk, and
now when I check, about 60% of the packets are being dropped. Moving
her laptop to the opposite side of the room it drops only 5% of packets.
PIRs used to just pick up infrared of your bodyheat, but I think now
they are also motion sensors? Perhaps this means they are sending out a
signal and bouncing it off you? Perhaps this could interfere with
wireless networking?
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If its PIR it shouln't.
PIR is Passive Infra Red, and it's body heat which triggers the sensor,
not anthing the device transmits.
http://www.glolab.com./pirparts/pirmanual.PDF
Maybe the wiring is affecting the strength of the RF field areound where
she sits.
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| Peter Hucker... |
| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:44 pm |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:18:14 -0000, John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote:1d042d77f3]On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:20:10 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com
wrote:
We have a wireless network at work which appears to have gone downhill
since the workmen installed PIRs for the burglar alarm. One of them in
particular appears to cause dropped packets the closer a laptop is to
it. Is this possible?? It's not a wireless PIR as far as I know, as I
can see some leftover cable he was using which is a multicore (about 10
cores) type similar to phone systems, so I assume this is for the signal
aswell as power. The person in that office swears blind that there were
absolutely no problems until the PIR was installed above her desk, and
now when I check, about 60% of the packets are being dropped. Moving
her laptop to the opposite side of the room it drops only 5% of packets.
PIRs used to just pick up infrared of your bodyheat, but I think now
they are also motion sensors? Perhaps this means they are sending out a
signal and bouncing it off you? Perhaps this could interfere with
wireless networking?
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If its PIR it shouln't.
PIR is Passive Infra Red, and it's body heat which triggers the sensor,
not anthing the device transmits.
http://www.glolab.com./pirparts/pirmanual.PDF
[/quote:1d042d77f3]
I'm not sure if it's PIR or not. Aren't a lot of them nowadays multifunction?
[quote:1d042d77f3]Maybe the wiring is affecting the strength of the RF field areound where
she sits.
[/quote:1d042d77f3]
The wiring? It shouldn't have that strong a field from its wiring surely?
The effect is as such: within about 2-3 metres the network is unusable. The next 2-3 metres it works most of the time. After that it's almost perfect.
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| John Fields... |
| Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:07 am |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:44:44 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com>
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[quote:1dcee2f982]On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:18:14 -0000, John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:20:10 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com
wrote:
We have a wireless network at work which appears to have gone downhill
since the workmen installed PIRs for the burglar alarm. One of them in
particular appears to cause dropped packets the closer a laptop is to
it. Is this possible?? It's not a wireless PIR as far as I know, as I
can see some leftover cable he was using which is a multicore (about 10
cores) type similar to phone systems, so I assume this is for the signal
aswell as power. The person in that office swears blind that there were
absolutely no problems until the PIR was installed above her desk, and
now when I check, about 60% of the packets are being dropped. Moving
her laptop to the opposite side of the room it drops only 5% of packets.
PIRs used to just pick up infrared of your bodyheat, but I think now
they are also motion sensors? Perhaps this means they are sending out a
signal and bouncing it off you? Perhaps this could interfere with
wireless networking?
---
If its PIR it shouln't.
PIR is Passive Infra Red, and it's body heat which triggers the sensor,
not anthing the device transmits.
http://www.glolab.com./pirparts/pirmanual.PDF
I'm not sure if it's PIR or not. Aren't a lot of them nowadays multifunction?
[/quote:1dcee2f982]
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Dunno; you were the one who tagged it as PIR.
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[quote:1dcee2f982]Maybe the wiring is affecting the strength of the RF field areound where
she sits.
The wiring? It shouldn't have that strong a field from its wiring surely?
[/quote:1dcee2f982]
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I didn't say the wiring was responsible for generating the field, I said
it might have an _effect_ on the [already existing] field.
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| Peter Hucker... |
| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:18 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:07:06 -0000, John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote:9a4d6dba41]On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:44:44 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:18:14 -0000, John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:20:10 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com
wrote:
We have a wireless network at work which appears to have gone downhill
since the workmen installed PIRs for the burglar alarm. One of them in
particular appears to cause dropped packets the closer a laptop is to
it. Is this possible?? It's not a wireless PIR as far as I know, as I
can see some leftover cable he was using which is a multicore (about 10
cores) type similar to phone systems, so I assume this is for the signal
aswell as power. The person in that office swears blind that there were
absolutely no problems until the PIR was installed above her desk, and
now when I check, about 60% of the packets are being dropped. Moving
her laptop to the opposite side of the room it drops only 5% of packets.
PIRs used to just pick up infrared of your bodyheat, but I think now
they are also motion sensors? Perhaps this means they are sending out a
signal and bouncing it off you? Perhaps this could interfere with
wireless networking?
---
If its PIR it shouln't.
PIR is Passive Infra Red, and it's body heat which triggers the sensor,
not anthing the device transmits.
http://www.glolab.com./pirparts/pirmanual.PDF
I'm not sure if it's PIR or not. Aren't a lot of them nowadays multifunction?
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Dunno; you were the one who tagged it as PIR.
[/quote:9a4d6dba41]
Force of habit, as that's all they used to be.
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| John Fields... |
| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:22 pm |
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:41:59 -0500, "ABLE1" <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net>
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[quote:58608de282]Very interesting!!!! Golly good show on the biscuit tin. Would have never
thought of that one.
It would be interesting to do one or both of the following.
Replace the offensive unit first with another of the same model.
Replace the offensive unit with another manufactures dual tech model.
Do your same evaluation on each and see if there is a difference for the
better or for the worse. As a back up plan have someone authorize the
install a high end PIR only unit.
On a lighter note this could be the reason for the snow in London. Some
days you just never know what is going to happen next.
I certainly hope that someone is not jerking a chain as it were.
Good luck.
Les
[/quote:58608de282]
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This is USENET, not email.
Please bottom post or, when appropriate, inline post.
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| Peter Hucker... |
| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:37 pm |
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On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:22:11 -0000, John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote:c63534ba6d]On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:41:59 -0500, "ABLE1" <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
Very interesting!!!! Golly good show on the biscuit tin. Would have never
thought of that one.
It would be interesting to do one or both of the following.
Replace the offensive unit first with another of the same model.
Replace the offensive unit with another manufactures dual tech model.
Do your same evaluation on each and see if there is a difference for the
better or for the worse. As a back up plan have someone authorize the
install a high end PIR only unit.
On a lighter note this could be the reason for the snow in London. Some
days you just never know what is going to happen next.
I certainly hope that someone is not jerking a chain as it were.
Good luck.
Les
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This is USENET, not email.
Please bottom post or, when appropriate, inline post.
JF
[/quote:c63534ba6d]
Why do you say "not email"? It annoys me when people top post in email aswell. Email discussions often end with a few topics within them, then top posting just gets confusing.
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| Peter Hucker... |
| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:34 pm |
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:25:48 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net> wrote:
[quote:6d24201005]
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uox20xc74buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:24:14 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uov9vsfd4buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
I cannot locate whsat you've written.
That is because I have followed USENET protocol and bottom posted as I
was instructed to do so in such a nice way. Have a good day.
I usually bottom post aswell, unless the thread has already been top
posted, in which case I continue at the top to make it neater.
I didn't see your reply as it was after my sig. You didn't follow the sig
seperator snip guideline :-P
Just breaking all the rules..................................... one at a
time ..........
[/quote:6d24201005]
Why limit yourself?
[quote:6d24201005]On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:17:51 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uouhiyua4buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:41:59 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
Very interesting!!!! Golly good show on the biscuit tin. Would have
never
thought of that one.
I can't take credit for it. It was suggested in this thread (or in
the
same thread in some other groups).
It would be interesting to do one or both of the following.
Replace the offensive unit first with another of the same model.
They replaced it with an identical model, and the problem went away.
I
suspected it might as they had put one in every office and only one
office
showed problems. The installer was bewildered and had never seen such
a
thing before.
Replace the offensive unit with another manufactures dual tech model.
Do your same evaluation on each and see if there is a difference for
the
better or for the worse. As a back up plan have someone authorize
the
install a high end PIR only unit.
On a lighter note this could be the reason for the snow in London.
Some
days you just never know what is going to happen next.
I certainly hope that someone is not jerking a chain as it were.
Good luck.
Les
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uoqtgb024buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
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http://www.petersphotos.com
Two fish are in a tank. One says to the other, "I'll man the guns, you
drive".
Good Show!!!
--
http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com
http://www.petersphotos.com
A woman walks into a drugstore and asks the pharmacist if he sells size
extra large condoms.
He replies, "Yes we do. Would you like to buy some?"
She responds, "No, but do you mind if I wait around here until someone
does?
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http://www.petersphotos.com
Why is it that when you transport something by car, it's called a
shipment, but when you transport something by ship, it's called cargo?
[/quote:6d24201005]
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| ABLE1... |
| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:27 pm |
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"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uoz0rfzv4buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
[quote:44048a75a1]On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:25:48 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uox20xc74buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:24:14 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uov9vsfd4buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
I cannot locate whsat you've written.
That is because I have followed USENET protocol and bottom posted as
I
was instructed to do so in such a nice way. Have a good day.
I usually bottom post aswell, unless the thread has already been top
posted, in which case I continue at the top to make it neater.
I didn't see your reply as it was after my sig. You didn't follow the
sig
seperator snip guideline :-P
Just breaking all the rules..................................... one at a
time ..........
[/quote:44048a75a1]
Making it last longer gives more satisfaction. So many rules too little
time.
[quote:44048a75a1]Why limit yourself?
[/quote:44048a75a1]
[quote:44048a75a1]
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:17:51 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uouhiyua4buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:41:59 -0000, ABLE1
royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
Very interesting!!!! Golly good show on the biscuit tin. Would
have
never
thought of that one.
I can't take credit for it. It was suggested in this thread (or in
the
same thread in some other groups).
It would be interesting to do one or both of the following.
Replace the offensive unit first with another of the same model.
They replaced it with an identical model, and the problem went away.
I
suspected it might as they had put one in every office and only one
office
showed problems. The installer was bewildered and had never seen
such
a
thing before.
Replace the offensive unit with another manufactures dual tech
model.
Do your same evaluation on each and see if there is a difference
for
the
better or for the worse. As a back up plan have someone authorize
the
install a high end PIR only unit.
On a lighter note this could be the reason for the snow in London.
Some
days you just never know what is going to happen next.
I certainly hope that someone is not jerking a chain as it were.
Good luck.
Les
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uoqtgb024buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
--
http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com
http://www.petersphotos.com
Two fish are in a tank. One says to the other, "I'll man the guns,
you
drive".
Good Show!!!
--
http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com
http://www.petersphotos.com
A woman walks into a drugstore and asks the pharmacist if he sells
size
extra large condoms.
He replies, "Yes we do. Would you like to buy some?"
She responds, "No, but do you mind if I wait around here until someone
does?
--
http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com
http://www.petersphotos.com
Why is it that when you transport something by car, it's called a
shipment, but when you transport something by ship, it's called cargo?
--
http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com
http://www.petersphotos.com
He was deeply in love. When she spoke, he thought he heard bells, as if
she were a dustcart reversing.[/quote:44048a75a1] |
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| Peter Hucker... |
| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:35 am |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:27:43 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net> wrote:
[quote:a03e88058f]
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uoz0rfzv4buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:25:48 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uox20xc74buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 02:24:14 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uov9vsfd4buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
I cannot locate whsat you've written.
That is because I have followed USENET protocol and bottom posted as
I
was instructed to do so in such a nice way. Have a good day.
[/quote:a03e88058f]
Replying in silly places won't work with me. Opera colour codes things.
[quote:a03e88058f]I usually bottom post aswell, unless the thread has already been top
posted, in which case I continue at the top to make it neater.
I didn't see your reply as it was after my sig. You didn't follow the
sig
seperator snip guideline :-P
Just breaking all the rules..................................... one at a
time ..........
Making it last longer gives more satisfaction. So many rules too little
time.
Why limit yourself?
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:17:51 -0000, ABLE1 <royboynospam at (no spam) somewhere.net
wrote:
"Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com> wrote in message
news:op.uouhiyua4buhsv at (no spam) fx62.mshome.net...
Good Show!!!
--
http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com
http://www.petersphotos.com
A woman walks into a drugstore and asks the pharmacist if he sells
size
extra large condoms.
He replies, "Yes we do. Would you like to buy some?"
She responds, "No, but do you mind if I wait around here until someone
does?
--
http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com
http://www.petersphotos.com
Why is it that when you transport something by car, it's called a
shipment, but when you transport something by ship, it's called cargo?
--
http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com
http://www.petersphotos.com
He was deeply in love. When she spoke, he thought he heard bells, as if
she were a dustcart reversing.
[/quote:a03e88058f]
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| John Fields... |
| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:11 pm |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:37:40 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com>
wrote:
[quote:4a5680484e]On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:22:11 -0000, John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
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This is USENET, not email.
Please bottom post or, when appropriate, inline post.
JF
Why do you say "not email"? It annoys me when people top post in email aswell.
Email discussions often end with a few topics within them,
then top posting just gets confusing.
[/quote:4a5680484e]
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'Email' as in private email when the communicators know what went before
seems to be the convention.
This isn't private email and, since the discussion can twist and turn in
time and readers can join the thread at any time, reducing the confusion
by in-line or bottom posting is a good thing.
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| John Fields... |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:11:42 -0600, John Fields
<jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote:b39205e9c6]On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:37:40 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:22:11 -0000, John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
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This is USENET, not email.
Please bottom post or, when appropriate, inline post.
JF
Why do you say "not email"? It annoys me when people top post in email aswell.
Email discussions often end with a few topics within them,
then top posting just gets confusing.
---
'Email' as in private email when the communicators know what went before
seems to be the convention.
This isn't private email and, since the discussion can twist and turn in
time and readers can join the thread at any time, reducing the confusion
by in-line or bottom posting is a good thing.
[/quote:b39205e9c6]
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I almost forgot about this part:
"I usually bottom post aswell, unless the thread has already been top
posted, in which case I continue at the top to make it neater."
So you support confusion for the sake of "neatness"?
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| krw... |
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In article <u51uo49cm2pcve33vem32c9men6e3e27cm at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com says...>
[quote:0294d24556]On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:11:42 -0600, John Fields
jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:37:40 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:22:11 -0000, John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
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This is USENET, not email.
Please bottom post or, when appropriate, inline post.
JF
Why do you say "not email"? It annoys me when people top post in email aswell.
Email discussions often end with a few topics within them,
then top posting just gets confusing.
---
'Email' as in private email when the communicators know what went before
seems to be the convention.
This isn't private email and, since the discussion can twist and turn in
time and readers can join the thread at any time, reducing the confusion
by in-line or bottom posting is a good thing.
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I almost forgot about this part:
"I usually bottom post aswell, unless the thread has already been top
posted, in which case I continue at the top to make it neater."
So you support confusion for the sake of "neatness"?
Of course that PHucker supports confusion, though there is no[/quote:0294d24556]
"neatness" in unlimited line lengths. He basically doesn't care
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:47:19 -0600, krw <krw at (no spam) att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote:6191a8e80e]In article <u51uo49cm2pcve33vem32c9men6e3e27cm at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com says...
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:11:42 -0600, John Fields
jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:37:40 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:22:11 -0000, John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
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This is USENET, not email.
Please bottom post or, when appropriate, inline post.
JF
Why do you say "not email"? It annoys me when people top post in email aswell.
Email discussions often end with a few topics within them,
then top posting just gets confusing.
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'Email' as in private email when the communicators know what went before
seems to be the convention.
This isn't private email and, since the discussion can twist and turn in
time and readers can join the thread at any time, reducing the confusion
by in-line or bottom posting is a good thing.
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I almost forgot about this part:
"I usually bottom post aswell, unless the thread has already been top
posted, in which case I continue at the top to make it neater."
So you support confusion for the sake of "neatness"?
Of course that PHucker supports confusion, though there is no
"neatness" in unlimited line lengths. He basically doesn't care
what his readers have to go through. *He* is more impotent.
[/quote:6191a8e80e]
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Interestingly, reading his posts results in no "penalty" but, replying
to them does in that that invokes his unlimited line length message in
the "from" frame.
It's easy to fix by just mousing over to where you want the text to
break and clicking.
After that, the rest of the text shows up properly parsed, but without
the sequence indicator showing up.
It's easy enough to insert and fix up his post, but most of the time
it's "Why bother?"
JF |
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| krw... |
| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:54 pm |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:45:16 -0600, John Fields
<jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
[quote:d689b02e26]On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:47:19 -0600, krw <krw at (no spam) att.zzzzzzzzz> wrote:
In article <u51uo49cm2pcve33vem32c9men6e3e27cm at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com says...
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:11:42 -0600, John Fields
jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:37:40 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none at (no spam) spam.com
wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:22:11 -0000, John Fields <jfields at (no spam) austininstruments.com> wrote:
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This is USENET, not email.
Please bottom post or, when appropriate, inline post.
JF
Why do you say "not email"? It annoys me when people top post in email aswell.
Email discussions often end with a few topics within them,
then top posting just gets confusing.
---
'Email' as in private email when the communicators know what went before
seems to be the convention.
This isn't private email and, since the discussion can twist and turn in
time and readers can join the thread at any time, reducing the confusion
by in-line or bottom posting is a good thing.
---
I almost forgot about this part:
"I usually bottom post aswell, unless the thread has already been top
posted, in which case I continue at the top to make it neater."
So you support confusion for the sake of "neatness"?
Of course that PHucker supports confusion, though there is no
"neatness" in unlimited line lengths. He basically doesn't care
what his readers have to go through. *He* is more impotent.
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Interestingly, reading his posts results in no "penalty" but, replying
to them does in that that invokes his unlimited line length message in
the "from" frame.
[/quote:d689b02e26]
That depends on the newsreader and the way it's set up. In any case
*his* settings are wrong, though he insists on continuing, like a
spoiled child.
[quote:d689b02e26]It's easy to fix by just mousing over to where you want the text to
break and clicking.
[/quote:d689b02e26]
Easier to ignore his crap.
[quote:d689b02e26]After that, the rest of the text shows up properly parsed, but without
the sequence indicator showing up.
It's easy enough to insert and fix up his post, but most of the time
it's "Why bother?"
[/quote:d689b02e26]
Exactly. Why bother with those who don't care about standards or their
readers. |
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