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| ZB00N... |
 Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:45 pm |
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Fudgin' Hansen does not give up easily, even when proved wrong again,
and again, and again .... ad nauseum
July 21, 2008
The widely reported scare last month:
Arctic warming has become so dramatic that the North Pole may melt this
summer...
The under-reported truth this week:
Arctic sea ice extent on July 16 stood at 8.91 million square kilometers
(3.44 million square miles). While extent was below the 1979 to 2000
average of 9.91 square kilometers (3.83 million square miles), it was
1.05 million square kilometers (0.41 million square miles) ABOVE the
value for July 16, 2007...
Which is a good time to recall the typical apocalypse mongering of Al
Gore's warming advisor, NASA scientist James Hansen, last year:
A record melt of Arctic summer sea ice this month may be a sign that
global warming is reaching a critical trigger point that could
accelerate the northern thaw, some scientists say.
"The reason so much of the Arctic ice went suddenly is that it is
hitting a tipping point that we have been warning about for the past few
years," James Hansen, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space
Studies, told Reuters.
Speaking of false predictions, remember the widely discussed scare-claim
just a couple of months ago that although the ice around the North Pole
this year was more widepsread than last, it was much thinner and would
melt away fast?
New Arctic sea ice is now so perilously thin on average that it melts
under the sunshine of clear summer skies it once could survive, American
researchers conclude in a study published today.
"When we had similar weather patterns in the past, they didn't appear to
have as strong an effect on sea ice," said Jennifer Kay, an atmospheric
scientist who led the U.S. research team.
"Now because the ice is thinner you can have a chain reaction of runaway
melting with a reduction in cloud cover," she said.
Er, correction, the US National Snow and Ice Center now says:
Previous discussion (see April 7, 2008) presented evidence that much of
the Arctic Ocean this winter and spring, including the area near the
North Pole, was covered with fairly thin, first-year ice. This thin,
young ice is vulnerable to melting completely in summer. The large areas
of low-concentration ice discussed above reinforce this concern.
Figure 5 shows sea ice thickness for late winter of 2006, 2007, and 2008
derived from the NASA ICESat laser altimeter instrument and provided by
Ronald Kwok at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Based on Kwok's analysis,
the first-year ice that formed since last autumn, while spatially
extensive, has a mean thickness of 1.6 meters (5.2 feet), which is close
to the thickness seen in 2006 and 2007. Much of this season's first-year
ice formed rather late last autumn, so we had expected to see thinner
first-year ice.
So why is the first-year ice thicker than anticipated?
The debunking of this popular scare, too, has received almost zero
publicity.
Do you see a pattern here?
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/north_pole_still_icy_predictions_still_wrong/
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Warmest Regards
Bonzo
". researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany
report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years,
accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over
the last 100 years."
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175 |
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| Feces bomb Throwing Democrap Protester... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:04 pm |
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Yet the gullible warming k00ks will try and discredit this report because
someone working for this newspaper at some time accepted money for an Oil
company advertisement, yad yada yada.
"ZB00N" <ZB00N at (no spam) g00g00.com> wrote in message
news:4883ebb5$1 at (no spam) dnews.tpgi.com.au...
Quote: Fudgin' Hansen does not give up easily, even when proved wrong again, and
again, and again .... ad nauseum
July 21, 2008
The widely reported scare last month:
Arctic warming has become so dramatic that the North Pole may melt this
summer...
The under-reported truth this week:
Arctic sea ice extent on July 16 stood at 8.91 million square kilometers
(3.44 million square miles). While extent was below the 1979 to 2000
average of 9.91 square kilometers (3.83 million square miles), it was 1.05
million square kilometers (0.41 million square miles) ABOVE the value for
July 16, 2007...
Which is a good time to recall the typical apocalypse mongering of Al
Gore's warming advisor, NASA scientist James Hansen, last year:
A record melt of Arctic summer sea ice this month may be a sign that
global warming is reaching a critical trigger point that could accelerate
the northern thaw, some scientists say.
"The reason so much of the Arctic ice went suddenly is that it is hitting
a tipping point that we have been warning about for the past few years,"
James Hansen, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, told
Reuters.
Speaking of false predictions, remember the widely discussed scare-claim
just a couple of months ago that although the ice around the North Pole
this year was more widepsread than last, it was much thinner and would
melt away fast?
New Arctic sea ice is now so perilously thin on average that it melts
under the sunshine of clear summer skies it once could survive, American
researchers conclude in a study published today.
"When we had similar weather patterns in the past, they didn't appear to
have as strong an effect on sea ice," said Jennifer Kay, an atmospheric
scientist who led the U.S. research team.
"Now because the ice is thinner you can have a chain reaction of runaway
melting with a reduction in cloud cover," she said.
Er, correction, the US National Snow and Ice Center now says:
Previous discussion (see April 7, 2008) presented evidence that much of
the Arctic Ocean this winter and spring, including the area near the North
Pole, was covered with fairly thin, first-year ice. This thin, young ice
is vulnerable to melting completely in summer. The large areas of
low-concentration ice discussed above reinforce this concern.
Figure 5 shows sea ice thickness for late winter of 2006, 2007, and 2008
derived from the NASA ICESat laser altimeter instrument and provided by
Ronald Kwok at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Based on Kwok's analysis,
the first-year ice that formed since last autumn, while spatially
extensive, has a mean thickness of 1.6 meters (5.2 feet), which is close
to the thickness seen in 2006 and 2007. Much of this season's first-year
ice formed rather late last autumn, so we had expected to see thinner
first-year ice.
So why is the first-year ice thicker than anticipated?
The debunking of this popular scare, too, has received almost zero
publicity.
Do you see a pattern here?
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/north_pole_still_icy_predictions_still_wrong/
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
". researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany
report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years,
accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over
the last 100 years."
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175
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| harry k... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:54 am |
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On Jul 22, 7:16 pm, "V for Vendicar"
<Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_Ho... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: "ZB00N" <ZB... at (no spam) g00g00.com> wrote
Arctic warming has become so dramatic that the North Pole may melt this
summer...
http://www.socc.ca/seaice/seaice_current_e.cfm
Looks like the pole will be free of ice in about 3 weeks.
That's all right. As long as there is one ice cube remaining the
deniers will claim that the pole is not ice free.
Harry K |
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| John M.... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:12 am |
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On Jul 23, 7:52 pm, "Feces bomb Throwing Democrap Protester" <Feces
eating & throwing Democrap at (no spam) democrap.org> wrote:
Quote: "V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_Ho... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote
in messagenews:dxwhk.18973$Ec.12448 at (no spam) read2.cgocable.net...
"Feces bomb Throwing Democrap Protester" <Feces eating & throwing Democrap
at (no spam) democrap.org> wrote
Yet the gullible warming k00ks will try and discredit this report
because
someone working for this newspaper at some time accepted money for an Oil
company advertisement, yad yada yada.
http://www.socc.ca/seaice/seaice_current_e.cfm
Looks like the pole will be ice free in about 3 weeks.
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Only with your bad eysight.
Arctic sea ice back to its previous level,
In the late summer and early fall of 2007, there were a number of alarming
media reports about the arctic sea ice melting. Additionally, there were
predictions that it would not recover to its previous levels.
But, we have this graph charting the rise and fall of arctic sea ice for the
last 365 days, notice that the arctic sea ice is right back where it started
at in February 2007.
From the University of Illinois Cryosphere Today:http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/arctic-sea-ice-back-t...
Here on our planet it is July already. You need to update your
information from the U of Illinois (U-C) if you want to play with the
big boys here on alt.g-w.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/ |
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| Feces bomb Throwing Democrap Protester... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:52 pm |
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"V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:dxwhk.18973$Ec.12448 at (no spam) read2.cgocable.net...
Quote:
"Feces bomb Throwing Democrap Protester" <Feces eating & throwing Democrap
at (no spam) democrap.org> wrote
Yet the gullible warming k00ks will try and discredit this report
because
someone working for this newspaper at some time accepted money for an Oil
company advertisement, yad yada yada.
http://www.socc.ca/seaice/seaice_current_e.cfm
Looks like the pole will be ice free in about 3 weeks.
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Only with your bad eysight.
Arctic sea ice back to its previous level,
In the late summer and early fall of 2007, there were a number of alarming
media reports about the arctic sea ice melting. Additionally, there were
predictions that it would not recover to its previous levels.
But, we have this graph charting the rise and fall of arctic sea ice for the
last 365 days, notice that the arctic sea ice is right back where it started
at in February 2007.
From the University of Illinois Cryosphere Today:
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/arctic-sea-ice-back-to-its-previous-level-bears-safe-film-at-11/ |
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| V for Vendicar... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:16 pm |
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"Feces bomb Throwing Democrap Protester" <Feces eating & throwing Democrap at (no spam)
democrap.org> wrote
Ahahahahahahaah... A link from March 3, 2008 that uses data from February
2008. The coldest part of winter.
You Can't get any dumber than Stupid AmeriKKKunts.
Can't find any recent data?
Hay, what's up with that?
Ahahahahahahahahahahhahah MMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRROOOOOOONNNN
Meanwhile, here is the actual data.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg |
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| V for Vendicar... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:18 pm |
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"harry k" <turnkey4099 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote
Quote: That's all right. As long as there is one ice cube remaining the
deniers will claim that the pole is not ice free.
The denialists are such Liars that they have taken ice data from Late
February (winter) and presenting it as if it were recent (summer).
Hay do they really have an IQ smaller than their shoe size?
What's up with that.
Ahahahahahahahahahahh |
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| Peter Muehlbauer... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:39 pm |
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harry k <turnkey4099 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jul 22, 7:16 pm, "V for Vendicar"
Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_Ho... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
"ZB00N" <ZB... at (no spam) g00g00.com> wrote
Arctic warming has become so dramatic that the North Pole may melt this
summer...
http://www.socc.ca/seaice/seaice_current_e.cfm
Looks like the pole will be free of ice in about 3 weeks.
That's all right. As long as there is one ice cube remaining the
deniers will claim that the pole is not ice free.
LOL
I don't know where you dig out your silly pictures, but the pole is fine
and it is summer.
http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=07&fd=22&fy=2007&sm=07&sd=22&sy=2008
There are enough ice cubes for thousands of years daily Caipirinha. |
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| Feces bomb Throwing Democrap Protester... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:14 pm |
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"V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:%rLhk.1$pm.0 at (no spam) read2.cgocable.net...
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/north_pole_still_icy_predictions_still_wrong/
Andrew Bolt
Monday, July 21, 2008 at 09:04am
The widely reported scare last month:
Arctic warming has become so dramatic that the North Pole may melt this
summer...
The under-reported truth this week:
Arctic sea ice extent on July 16 stood at 8.91 million square kilometers
(3.44 square miles). While extent was below the 1979 to 2000 average of 9.91
square kilometers (3.83 million square miles), it was 1.05 million square
kilometers (0.41 million square miles) above the value for July 16, 2007...
Which is a good time to recall the typical apocalypse mongering of Al Gore's
warming advisor, NASA scientist James Hansen, last year:
A record melt of Arctic summer sea ice this month may be a sign that
global warming is reaching a critical trigger point that could accelerate
the northern thaw, some scientists say.
"The reason so much (of the Arctic ice) went suddenly is that it is
hitting a tipping point that we have been warning about for the past few
years," James Hansen, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space
Studies, told Reuters.
Speaking of false predictions, remember the widely discussed scare-claim
just a couple of months ago that although the ice around the North Pole this
year was more widepsread than last, it was much thinner and would melt away
fast?
New Arctic sea ice is now so perilously thin on average that it melts
under the sunshine of clear summer skies it once could survive, American
researchers conclude in a study published today.
"When we had similar weather patterns in the past, they didn't appear to
have as strong an effect on sea ice," said Jennifer Kay, an atmospheric
scientist who led the U.S. research team.
"Now because the ice is thinner you can have a chain reaction of runaway
melting with a reduction in cloud cover," she said.
Er, correction, the US National Snow and Ice Center now says:
Previous discussion (see April 7, 2008) presented evidence that much of
the Arctic Ocean this winter and spring, including the area near the North
Pole, was covered with fairly thin, first-year ice. This thin, young ice is
vulnerable to melting completely in summer. The large areas of
low-concentration ice discussed above reinforce this concern.
Figure 5 shows sea ice thickness for late winter of 2006, 2007, and 2008
derived from the NASA ICESat laser altimeter instrument and provided by
Ronald Kwok at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Based on Kwok's analysis, the
first-year ice that formed since last autumn, while spatially extensive, has
a mean thickness of 1.6 meters (5.2 feet), which is close to the thickness
seen in 2006 and 2007. Much of this season's first-year ice formed rather
late last autumn, so we had expected to see thinner first-year ice.
So why is the first-year ice thicker than anticipated?
The debunking of this popular scare, too, has received almost zero |
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| V for Vendicar... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:01 pm |
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"Peter Muehlbauer" <spamtrap.AT at (no spam) AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote
Quote: http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=07&fd=22&fy=2007&sm=07&sd=22&sy=2008
There are enough ice cubes for thousands of years daily Caipirinha.
And it will mostly be gone in a month.
The bright orange sections are 40% open water, and the light purple 20%
open water.
Note the fingers of liquid eater extending to the north pole. |
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| V for Vendicar... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:09 pm |
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"Feces bomb Throwing Democrap Protester" <Feces eating & throwing Democrap at (no spam)
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Who is Andrew Bolt and why should anyone care what he says?
Do his words alter the rapid melt of arctic sea ice? |
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| harry k... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:35 am |
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On Jul 23, 12:39 pm, Peter Muehlbauer
<spamtrap... at (no spam) AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote:
Quote: harry k <turnkey4... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:16 pm, "V for Vendicar"
Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_Ho... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
"ZB00N" <ZB... at (no spam) g00g00.com> wrote
Arctic warming has become so dramatic that the North Pole may melt this
summer...
http://www.socc.ca/seaice/seaice_current_e.cfm
Looks like the pole will be free of ice in about 3 weeks.
That's all right. As long as there is one ice cube remaining the
deniers will claim that the pole is not ice free.
LOL
I don't know where you dig out your silly pictures, but the pole is fine
and it is summer.http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=07&fd=22&fy=2007...
There are enough ice cubes for thousands of years daily Caipirinha.
You _have_ noticed that the ice cover you keep ballyhooing is "new"
ice? I.e., very thin and easily melted. I feel that you have ignored
the uncomfortable fact that "old" ice, that which is mostly the cause
of the permanent (hah!) ice cover is almost all gone?
Ooops...I forgot, you are ignoring anything that gets in the way of
your fantasy.
Harry K |
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| Fredric L. Rice... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:57 pm |
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"V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House at (no spam) hotmail.com>
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Quote: "Obamessiah Occult Train" <Cultists at (no spam) Obama.org> wrote
Andrew Bolt
Monday, July 21, 2008 at 09:04am
Last year the solid ice was 3.2 meters thick on average.
This year it is 1.2 meters thick on average
Bolt Yammers about surface area, because he is a....
MMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN
Just like you.
It's funny. Christonuts think that global warming isn't happening
because their gods won't let it happen. The religious extremist
don't care that Christians and Republinazis will suffer right along
side their intellectual, educational, and moral superiors.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5W8ALB0SNU
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| ZB00N... |
| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:21 pm |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <frice at (no spam) skeptictank.org> wrote in message
news:1tWdnZwZHN27IRLVnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d at (no spam) posted.sonicnet...
Quote: "V for Vendicar" <Execute_The_Traitor_In_The_White_House at (no spam) hotmail.com
wrote:
"Obamessiah Occult Train" <Cultists at (no spam) Obama.org> wrote
Andrew Bolt
Monday, July 21, 2008 at 09:04am
Last year the solid ice was 3.2 meters thick on average.
This year it is 1.2 meters thick on average
Bolt Yammers about surface area, because he is a....
MMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN
Just like you.
It's funny. Christonuts think that global warming isn't happening
because their gods won't let it happen.
Don't think just check your thermometer.
No warming since 1998!!!
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
"In scientific circles, C02 is referred to as a `trace gas' that, for
hundreds of thousands of years, has remained at or below five
ten-thousandths of the atmosphere by volume. Even among the so-called
`greenhouse gases' (GHG), C02 accounts for less than 4%, with water
vapour being by far the most significant GHG. C02 is clearly a
miniscule component of the massive mechanisms that create climate and
cause climate change."
Dr. Timothy Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project
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I have asked you before, and I ask you again, to supply the data on which
your ASCII art is based. |
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