In the middle of the night, Harry leaves the
hay loft and mkes a run to the outhouse.
Only to find Betty-Lou sitting there when he
opens the door.
The two return to the hay loft, nudge, nudge.

What did Steve and Jimmy do?

Seems like only Harry tasted the fruit of
the vine, so to speak ;>).

M

Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting.  JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

On Jul 16, 9:01�pm, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:





Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting. �JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

In any case, my personal evaluation is that
a) He is looking for P = NP.
b) He has discovered (or will shortly) a version of bidirectional search
for TSP that he is going to try to tweak to get P = NP (which should be
fruitless; you can read my full response to see why).
c) He will, alas, not find that P = NP. I have some experience, maybe
more than he does, on the area; I believe P = NP for various personal
reasons, but I also don't believe I or anyone else will solve it for at
least 50 years.

In short, the same old: going down fruitless paths for research in an
area where existing results are good enough for general use.

Actually, Jimmy is probably better off on
a fruitless path (see my explanation of the
Traveling Slaesman Problem to Hendrik Boom).

On Jul 16, 10:24 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:





On Jul 16, 9:01�pm, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting. �JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

In any case, my personal evaluation is that
a) He is looking for P = NP.
b) He has discovered (or will shortly) a version of bidirectional search
for TSP that he is going to try to tweak to get P = NP (which should be
fruitless; you can read my full response to see why).
c) He will, alas, not find that P = NP. I have some experience, maybe
more than he does, on the area; I believe P = NP for various personal
reasons, but I also don't believe I or anyone else will solve it for at
least 50 years.

In short, the same old: going down fruitless paths for research in an
area where existing results are good enough for general use.

Actually, Jimmy is probably better off on
a fruitless path (see my explanation of the
Traveling Slaesman Problem to Hendrik Boom).

Why? What would be so bad about _real_ breakthoughs, anyway?

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

On Jul 17, 2:41 pm, junoexpress <MTBrenne... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

In the middle of the night, Harry leaves the
hay loft and mkes a run to the outhouse.
Only to find Betty-Lou sitting there when he
opens the door.
The two return to the hay loft, nudge, nudge.

What did Steve and Jimmy do?

Read the last sentence. Harry and Betty-Lou both
went back to the hay loft where you can assume
Jimmy and Stevie were waiting.

Seems like only Harry tasted the fruit of
the vine, so to speak ;>).

I was trying to paint the picture of a 4-way roll
in the hay. I didn't want to get too explicit,
I figured you'd get it from the "nudge, nudge".
Google for "triple-penetration" if you still don't
get it. Don't blame me for what you find.

Wow!

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On Jul 17, 4:36 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 17, 2:41 pm, junoexpress <MTBrenne... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

In the middle of the night, Harry leaves the
hay loft and mkes a run to the outhouse.
Only to find Betty-Lou sitting there when he
opens the door.
The two return to the hay loft, nudge, nudge.

What did Steve and Jimmy do?

Read the last sentence. Harry and Betty-Lou both
went back to the hay loft where you can assume
Jimmy and Stevie were waiting.

Seems like only Harry tasted the fruit of
the vine, so to speak ;>).

I was trying to paint the picture of a 4-way roll
in the hay. I didn't want to get too explicit,
I figured you'd get it from the "nudge, nudge".
Google for "triple-penetration" if you still don't
get it. Don't blame me for what you find.

Wow!
You learn something new every day....
Thanks

you gotta picka T
then picka a
then picka k
then picka n
then picka p

then solve-ed   the old time equation   Tn = a +k mod nt
or something like it.
then you done the "JSH stufshuffle"
Picka Choo!!

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Gib Bogle wrote:

Tim Smith wrote:

Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting.  JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

In Java?  LOL

Solving for 10 million cities would not be much faster in optimized
assembly than in Java :-)

Unless JSH has made /another/ break through.

I am sure JSH can optomize two cities, but his discovery will not be able to
do 3 or more.

On Jul 17, 4:36 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 17, 2:41 pm, junoexpress <MTBrenne... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

In the middle of the night, Harry leaves the
hay loft and mkes a run to the outhouse.
Only to find Betty-Lou sitting there when he
opens the door.
The two return to the hay loft, nudge, nudge.

What did Steve and Jimmy do?

Read the last sentence. Harry and Betty-Lou both
went back to the hay loft where you can assume
Jimmy and Stevie were waiting.

Seems like only Harry tasted the fruit of
the vine, so to speak ;>).

I was trying to paint the picture of a 4-way roll
in the hay. I didn't want to get too explicit,
I figured you'd get it from the "nudge, nudge".
Google for "triple-penetration" if you still don't
get it. Don't blame me for what you find.

Wow!
You learn something new every day....
Thanks

"Jimmy's out picking watermelons."

Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting. JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

In any case, my personal evaluation is that
a) He is looking for P = NP.
b) He has discovered (or will shortly) a version of bidirectional search
for TSP that he is going to try to tweak to get P = NP (which should be
fruitless; you can read my full response to see why).
c) He will, alas, not find that P = NP. I have some experience, maybe
more than he does, on the area; I believe P = NP for various personal
reasons, but I also don't believe I or anyone else will solve it for at
least 50 years.

In short, the same old: going down fruitless paths for research in an
area where existing results are good enough for general use.

Thank you for  your sincere apology "blue",
but you still gonna have to suck out your own shitstains outta your own
brown-crusty undies, if you can get them off.

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snip> Picka Choo!!

Wow! That's amazing Bill. You can ponder on equations with the best of
them, yet you can't clean the shitstains out of your own underwear.
lol!

Wow! That's amazing Bill. You can ponder on equations with the best of
them, yet you can't clean the shitstains out of your own underwear.

lol!

On Jul 17, 4:43 pm, mike3 <mike4... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:



On Jul 16, 10:24 pm, Mensanator <mensana... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Jul 16, 9:01�pm, Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting. �JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

In any case, my personal evaluation is that
a) He is looking for P = NP.
b) He has discovered (or will shortly) a version of bidirectional search
for TSP that he is going to try to tweak to get P = NP (which should be
fruitless; you can read my full response to see why).
c) He will, alas, not find that P = NP. I have some experience, maybe
more than he does, on the area; I believe P = NP for various personal
reasons, but I also don't believe I or anyone else will solve it for at
least 50 years.

In short, the same old: going down fruitless paths for research in an
area where existing results are good enough for general use.

Actually, Jimmy is probably better off on
a fruitless path (see my explanation of the
Traveling Slaesman Problem to Hendrik Boom).

Why? What would be so bad about _real_ breakthoughs, anyway?

That was a joke. If he finds no fruit he won't have
to shove them up his ass. OTOH, if he tackles a
watermelon-sized problem like the Traveling Salesman,
he's going to end up with quite a grimace on his face.

As soon as I read he was going after TTSP, I literally
thought: "Jimmy's out picking watermelons".

Again.

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:01:33 -0400, Joshua Cranmer

Pidgeo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Tim Smith wrote:
Those dazzled by his breakthroughs in factoring and FLT who are eager to
see what his next breakthrough will be might find
comp.lang.java.programmer interesting.  JSH has started posting there
about his new project: solving the traveling salesman problem.

I am not an expert, and I certainly don't think that he should be an
object so degraded that one can only laugh at him.

Look up his posts to sci.math for the last ten years on google.
Make certain not to miss any. When you're done, shouldn't
take more than a few months, let us know whether your
opiion has changed.

snip