Well frankly, Mister President, it's the **my** part.

By the way, last week I was chatting with a fibromyalgia patient about
her condition and her iron levels. Something she was well aware of
since
she had just been verified as being iron depleted, with negative
results
for hemosiderin in bone marrow fragments. The doctor was encouraging
her to consume more meat-based protein, because her non-heme iron
intake was only about half as bioavailable. We chatted about your
notion of high iron being the reason for her pains. She rolled her
eyes
and asked me to tell you that you are an idiot and don't know what
you
are talking about.

So, from Janice to Tom-"You are an idiot".
And from me to you- "You are a plagiarizing twit".

Think that just about covers it. Now, back to 'your' thread.

On Jul 13, 9:46 am, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:



On Jul 13, 2:36 am, Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote: snip

You are kind of a .. twit .. aren't ya ..

What part of stay off **my** threads don't ya understand .. ?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

ironjustice wrote:

On Jul 14, 8:38 am, fran <fmc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:Let me repeat one
more time, YOU DO NOT OWN A THREAD!

I start a thread there is going to be .. NO .. abuse of the poster ..

posting copyright material is abuse 'by' the poster



Period ..

only  for you



YOU don't .. like that .. rule .. ?

ahem - it isn't a 'rule' tom - it is your attempt to dictate to others.
since this isn't your moderated group, you can't enforce when or if
others may choose to respond to you



Who cares whether or not you like my .. rules.

who cares if you object when others decide to respond?



Those are the rules .. understand .. ?

those are your 'demands', which others have demonstrably chosen not to
pay attention to



Is that too hard for ya .. ?

what part of you don't have the authority to do this is too hard for you
to understand?

Either be contributive / supportive .. or stay off the thread ..

many choose to respond in context of your information - you decide this
is abuse  - too bad

and
then if someone does become roadkill ON **my** thread .. then you

ahem...your 'post' - the public's thread

now, if 'you' don't like that, start your own moderated group and then
'you' do get to have 'rules' that you can enforce

won't be privy to it .. will ya .. or INVOLVED in it .. directly or as
I said .. ENGAGED .. IN . . . . it . .

what you object to, it the very fact that they 'do' engage you tom and
you really don't like it.



Stay away from .. **me** .. or abide by my rules which coincidentally
are the same rules used by every ISP in the world.

oh tom? this isn't an isp - it's usenet, and an 'alt' group to boot.

so stop being silly



"No personal abuse"

well, why don't you stop then?



Understand .. ?

when will you?

Comprendez .. ?

when will you?



Do ya .. ?

stop being silly...





Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

 On Jul 14, 8:38 am, fran <fmc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:It's hard for you
to accept but it's the truth.  Also I
 cleaned up all the cross threads in your post, it's really childish
of
 you to keep that silliness up after  you have been asked time and
 again to stop it.

The crosspost is to .. evidence to ALL in attendance ..
cyberbullying .. and abuse by members OF .. ? ..
alt.med.fibromyalgia .. in which YOU .. coincidentally have .. ALSO ..
had a hand in over the years ..

Don't be screwing with my crossposts .. you KNOW that .. don't ya.

Don't screw with my posts .. a .. tall .. you hear . . . . .  me .. ?

On Jul 13, 10:52 am, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 13, 7:23 am, Bert Hyman <b... at (no spam) iphouse.com> wrote: If both of
you would stop using googlegroups,

"How do they create arthralgia-myalgia syndrome.. ?
Inject iron into the human body. "

I notice you didn't say a whole lot about .. myalgia ..

You DID make a .. comment .. though .. Hyman ..

Contributive comment .. ?

A contributive comment .. imho .. would have been to tell Michael ...
to .. follow netiquette and not post to a thread when the post is
not .. **contributive** / supportive.

I doubt your comments are INTENDED to BE contributive.

I think I will stay ..

Maybe you can convince .. those non-supportive people .. to leave ... ?

Maybe you should leave with .. him .. ?

Maybe start your own little group .. ?

Let me advise you to call it .. alt.handicapped.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Michael can go .. his alt.group is about to go .. anyhow
Innews:f216e1ef-
de5e-4286-8ae1-2cda3b56d... at (no spam) c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com

Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
And you've been told that you are a twit that is egregiously
committing copyright infringement with every one of your reprints.

If both of you would stop using googlegroups, subscribe to a real news
service and use a real newsreader with a decent filter, neither of you
need ever see a post from the other again.

You could probably also avoid screwing up your attributions.

On Jul 12, 7:56 pm, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 3:11 pm, Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote: snip

You've been told to stay off my threads ..

--
Bert Hyman      St. Paul, MN    b... at (no spam) iphouse.com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's hard for me to believe that I am in any way supporting Michael,
but fact is Tom, that this is UseNet and you do not 'own' a thread.
And this is appropriate for me to post as you are posting about the
usage of  'your' thread.   Back to lurking and laughing.-fran- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Jul 14, 2:03 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl... at (no spam) bellatlantic.net
wrote:





debra - you are  - well, to be blunt - a sweet naïf

tom has belligerently insisted that no one may post on 'his' threads
without his permission for

...gosh, i guess about a decade or so. this has gone on year after year
- group after group.

any non acceptance of what he writes will cause him to assert that he is
the arbiter and sole moderator of whatever has been posted.

and, in the past he has asserted the right to post the articles,
studies, etc.  regardless of copyright notice. him being such a noted
researcher and all.

dar wrote:

On Jul 13, 6:47 pm, Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
What part of stay off **my** threads don't ya understand .. ?

Well frankly, Mister President, it's the **my** part.

By the way, last week I was chatting with a fibromyalgia patient about
her condition and her iron levels. Something she was well aware of
since
she had just been verified as being iron depleted, with negative
results
for hemosiderin in bone marrow fragments. The doctor was encouraging
her to consume more meat-based protein, because her non-heme iron
intake was only about half as bioavailable. We chatted about your
notion of high iron being the reason for her pains. She rolled her
eyes
and asked me to tell you that you are an idiot and don't know what
you
are talking about.

So, from Janice to Tom-"You are an idiot".
And from me to you- "You are a plagiarizing twit".

Think that just about covers it. Now, back to 'your' thread.

On Jul 13, 9:46 am, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 13, 2:36 am, Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote: snip

You are kind of a .. twit .. aren't ya ..

What part of stay off **my** threads don't ya understand .. ?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Michael,

Methinks I was the one that might have planted the seed of "my
thread".

A few months ago, when I started to post after a three year absence, I
replied to one of Major Tom's threads.  It was then I stated something
regarding "his thread", due to him writing it etc.  Apparently, it
encouraged him to tell folks to get off his thread, due to him not
liking the poster or the posting of the poster.

Unless of course, you've seen him try and throw folks off "his
threads" before my appearance here........

Where do folks go when they get "thrown off threads"?  Is there a
special hades or purgatory for folks "thrown off threads"?

Take care and be well out there!  Debra- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Paul -

Thanks for being, kindly blunt! ;-)

Geesh, I was posting on AMF for what I can research, over ten years
ago sans the past 3 years, and I truly don't remember Major Tom......
Oh well, I suppose if this is all that I can't remember, I'm doing
well........

So glad to hear from ya....... hope you are doing ok!

Take care and be well out there!  Debra- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Jul 14, 1:52 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl... at (no spam) bellatlantic.net
wrote: long winded whack

What part of stay off **my** threads don't ya understand .. ?
-----------------------------------http://www.nature.com/ki/journal/v55/n69s/full/4490859a.html

"Deposition of iron in tissues related to myalgia"

This is the human model of fibromyalgia.
They are attempting to find a way to prevent fibromyalgia from ..
happening.

How do they create arthralgia-myalgia syndrome.. ?

Inject iron into the human body.
-----------------
Value of methylprednisolone in prevention of the arthralgia-myalgia
syndrome associated with the total dose infusion of iron dextran : A
double blind randomized trial
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
AUERBACH M. ; CHAUDHRY M. ; GOLDMAN H. ; BALLARD H. ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
Franklin Square Hospital Center, Baltimore, ETATS-UNIS
Manhattan Veterans Administration Medical Center, New York, ETATS-
UNIS

Résumé / Abstract
The safety and efficacy of total dose infusion (TDI) of iron dextran
has been well documented. In 40% of treated patients, an arthralgia-
myalgia syndrome develops. The purpose of this randomized, double-
blind, prospective study was to investigate whether intravenous (IV)
administration of methylprednisolone (MP) prevents this complication.
Sixty-five patients, 34 women and 31 men, ages 36 to 80 years,
received either normal saline before and after TDI (group 1), 125 mg
IV MP before and saline after TDI (group 2), or 125 mg IV MP before
and after TDI (group 3). Patients were observed for 72 hours and
reactions were recorded and graded according to severity. Fifty-eight
percent of group 1 patients, 33% of group 2, and 26% of group 3 had
reactions to TDI. The severity of reactions (minimal, mild, and
moderate, respectively) was as follows: group 1-6, 6, and 2; group
2-1, 5, and 0; group 3-5, 1, and 0. Data were analyzed by the two-
sided Fisher's exact test using 95% confidence intervals with the
approximation of Woolf. These data demonstrate that administration of
MP before and after TDI reduces the frequency and severity of the
arthralgia-myalgia syndrome. We conclude that 125 mg IV MP should be
given routinely before and after TDI of iron dextran.
Revue / Journal Title
The Journal of laboratory and clinical medicine   ISSN 0022-2143
CODEN JLCMAK
Source / Source
1998, vol. 131, no3, pp. 257-260 (8 ref.)
Langue / Language
Anglais

Editeur / Publisher
Elsevier, Saint Louis, MO, ETATS-UNIS (1915-2006) (Revue)

Mots-clés anglais / English Keywords
Iron ; Dextran ; Perfusion ; Intravenous administration ; Toxicity ;
Myalgia ; Arthralgia ; Methylprednisolone ; Corticosteroid ;
Controlled therapeutic trial ; Chemotherapy ; Treatment ;
Prevention ;
Human ; Randomization ; Double blind study ; Pain ; Striated muscle
disease ; Joint ; Diseases of the osteoarticular system ;
Mots-clés français / French Keywords
Fer ; Dextran ; Perfusion ; Voie intraveineuse ; Toxicité ; Myalgie ;
Arthralgie ; Méthylprednisolone ; Corticostéroïde ; Essai
thérapeutique contrôlé ; Chimiothérapie ; Traitement ; Prévention ;
Homme ; Randomisation ; Etude double insu ; Douleur ; Muscle strié
pathologie ; Articulation ; Système ostéoarticulaire pathologie ;
Mots-clés espagnols / Spanish Keywords
Hierro ; Dextran ; Perfusión ; Vía intravenosa ; Toxicidad ;
Mialgia ;
Artralgia ; Metilprednisolona ; Corticoesteroide ; Ensayo terapéutico
controlado ; Quimioterapia ; Tratamiento ; Prevención ; Hombre ;
Aleatorización ; Estudio doble ciego ; Dolor ; Músculo estriado
patología ; Articulación ; Sistema osteoarticular patología ;
Localisation / Location
INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 2060, 35400007522346.0120
Copyright 2007 INIST-CNRS. All rights reserved
Toute reproduction ou diffusion même partielle, par quelque procédé
ou
sur tout support que ce soit, ne pourra être faite sans l'accord
préalable écrit de l'INIST-CNRS.
No part of these records may be reproduced of distributed, in any
form
or by any means, without the prior written permission of INIST-CNRS.

Nº notice refdoc (ud4) : 2195622

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

On Jul 14, 8:38 am, fran <fmc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:Let me repeat one
more time, YOU DO NOT OWN A THREAD!

I start a thread there is going to be .. NO .. abuse of the poster ..

Period ..

YOU don't .. like that .. rule .. ?

Who cares whether or not you like my .. rules.

Those are the rules .. understand .. ?

Is that too hard for ya .. ?

Either be contributive / supportive .. or stay off the thread .. and
then if someone does become roadkill ON **my** thread .. then you
won't be privy to it .. will ya .. or INVOLVED in it .. directly or as
I said .. ENGAGED .. IN . . . . it . .

Stay away from .. **me** .. or abide by my rules which coincidentally
are the same rules used by every ISP in the world.

"No personal abuse"

Understand .. ?
Comprendez .. ?

Do ya .. ?

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

 On Jul 14, 8:38 am, fran <fmc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:It's hard for you
to accept but it's the truth.  Also I
 cleaned up all the cross threads in your post, it's really childish
of
 you to keep that silliness up after  you have been asked time and
 again to stop it.

The crosspost is to .. evidence to ALL in attendance ..
cyberbullying .. and abuse by members OF .. ? ..
alt.med.fibromyalgia .. in which YOU .. coincidentally have .. ALSO ..
had a hand in over the years ..

Don't be screwing with my crossposts .. you KNOW that .. don't ya.

Don't screw with my posts .. a .. tall .. you hear . . . . .  me .. ?

On Jul 13, 10:52 am, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 13, 7:23 am, Bert Hyman <b... at (no spam) iphouse.com> wrote: If both of
you would stop using googlegroups,

"How do they create arthralgia-myalgia syndrome.. ?
Inject iron into the human body. "

I notice you didn't say a whole lot about .. myalgia ..

You DID make a .. comment .. though .. Hyman ..

Contributive comment .. ?

A contributive comment .. imho .. would have been to tell Michael ..
to .. follow netiquette and not post to a thread when the post is
not .. **contributive** / supportive.

I doubt your comments are INTENDED to BE contributive.

I think I will stay ..

Maybe you can convince .. those non-supportive people .. to leave .. ?

Maybe you should leave with .. him .. ?

Maybe start your own little group .. ?

Let me advise you to call it .. alt.handicapped.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Michael can go .. his alt.group is about to go .. anyhow
Innews:f216e1ef-
de5e-4286-8ae1-2cda3b56d... at (no spam) c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com

Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
And you've been told that you are a twit that is egregiously
committing copyright infringement with every one of your reprints..

If both of you would stop using googlegroups, subscribe to a real news
service and use a real newsreader with a decent filter, neither of you
need ever see a post from the other again.

You could probably also avoid screwing up your attributions.

On Jul 12, 7:56 pm, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 3:11 pm, Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote: snip

You've been told to stay off my threads ..

--
Bert Hyman      St. Paul, MN    b... at (no spam) iphouse.com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's hard for me to believe that I am in any way supporting Michael,
but fact is Tom, that this is UseNet and you do not 'own' a thread.
And this is appropriate for me to post as you are posting about the
usage of  'your' thread.   Back to lurking and laughing.-fran- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Tom, through the magic of the internet, I found a remarkable likeness
of you. The eyebrows might not be exactly the same as yours, but
everything else is a perfect match.http://monkbot.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/fruitcake.jpg

On Jul 14, 12:48 pm, ironjustice <ironjust... at (no spam) cashette.com> wrote:



On Jul 14, 8:38 am, fran <fmc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:Let me repeat one
more time, YOU DO NOT OWN A THREAD!

I start a thread there is going to be .. NO .. abuse of the poster ..

Period ..

YOU don't .. like that .. rule .. ?

Who cares whether or not you like my .. rules.

Those are the rules .. understand .. ?

Is that too hard for ya .. ?

Either be contributive / supportive .. or stay off the thread .. and
then if someone does become roadkill ON **my** thread .. then you
won't be privy to it .. will ya .. or INVOLVED in it .. directly or as
I said .. ENGAGED .. IN . . . . it . .

Stay away from .. **me** .. or abide by my rules which coincidentally
are the same rules used by every ISP in the world.

"No personal abuse"

Understand .. ?
Comprendez .. ?

Do ya .. ?

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

 On Jul 14, 8:38 am, fran <fmc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:It's hard for you
to accept but it's the truth.  Also I
 cleaned up all the cross threads in your post, it's really childish
of
 you to keep that silliness up after  you have been asked time and
 again to stop it.

The crosspost is to .. evidence to ALL in attendance ..
cyberbullying .. and abuse by members OF .. ? ..
alt.med.fibromyalgia .. in which YOU .. coincidentally have .. ALSO ..
had a hand in over the years ..

Don't be screwing with my crossposts .. you KNOW that .. don't ya.

Don't screw with my posts .. a .. tall .. you hear . . . . .  me .. ?

On Jul 13, 10:52 am, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 13, 7:23 am, Bert Hyman <b... at (no spam) iphouse.com> wrote: If both of
you would stop using googlegroups,

"How do they create arthralgia-myalgia syndrome.. ?
Inject iron into the human body. "

I notice you didn't say a whole lot about .. myalgia ..

You DID make a .. comment .. though .. Hyman ..

Contributive comment .. ?

A contributive comment .. imho .. would have been to tell Michael ...
to .. follow netiquette and not post to a thread when the post is
not .. **contributive** / supportive.

I doubt your comments are INTENDED to BE contributive.

I think I will stay ..

Maybe you can convince .. those non-supportive people .. to leave ... ?

Maybe you should leave with .. him .. ?

Maybe start your own little group .. ?

Let me advise you to call it .. alt.handicapped.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Michael can go .. his alt.group is about to go .. anyhow
Innews:f216e1ef-
de5e-4286-8ae1-2cda3b56d... at (no spam) c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com

Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
And you've been told that you are a twit that is egregiously
committing copyright infringement with every one of your reprints.

If both of you would stop using googlegroups, subscribe to a real news
service and use a real newsreader with a decent filter, neither of you
need ever see a post from the other again.

You could probably also avoid screwing up your attributions.

On Jul 12, 7:56 pm, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 3:11 pm, Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote: snip

You've been told to stay off my threads ..

--
Bert Hyman      St. Paul, MN    b... at (no spam) iphouse.com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's hard for me to believe that I am in any way supporting Michael,
but fact is Tom, that this is UseNet and you do not 'own' a thread.
And this is appropriate for me to post as you are posting about the
usage of  'your' thread.   Back to lurking and laughing.-fran- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Jul 14, 5:56 pm, Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:





Tom, through the magic of the internet, I found a remarkable likeness
of you. The eyebrows might not be exactly the same as yours, but
everything else is a perfect match.http://monkbot.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/fruitcake.jpg

On Jul 14, 12:48 pm, ironjustice <ironjust... at (no spam) cashette.com> wrote:

On Jul 14, 8:38 am, fran <fmc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:Let me repeat one
more time, YOU DO NOT OWN A THREAD!

I start a thread there is going to be .. NO .. abuse of the poster ..

Period ..

YOU don't .. like that .. rule .. ?

Who cares whether or not you like my .. rules.

Those are the rules .. understand .. ?

Is that too hard for ya .. ?

Either be contributive / supportive .. or stay off the thread .. and
then if someone does become roadkill ON **my** thread .. then you
won't be privy to it .. will ya .. or INVOLVED in it .. directly or as
I said .. ENGAGED .. IN . . . . it . .

Stay away from .. **me** .. or abide by my rules which coincidentally
are the same rules used by every ISP in the world.

"No personal abuse"

Understand .. ?
Comprendez .. ?

Do ya .. ?

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

 On Jul 14, 8:38 am, fran <fmc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:It's hard for you
to accept but it's the truth.  Also I
 cleaned up all the cross threads in your post, it's really childish
of
 you to keep that silliness up after  you have been asked time and
 again to stop it.

The crosspost is to .. evidence to ALL in attendance ..
cyberbullying .. and abuse by members OF .. ? ..
alt.med.fibromyalgia .. in which YOU .. coincidentally have .. ALSO ...
had a hand in over the years ..

Don't be screwing with my crossposts .. you KNOW that .. don't ya.

Don't screw with my posts .. a .. tall .. you hear . . . . .  me .. ?

On Jul 13, 10:52 am, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 13, 7:23 am, Bert Hyman <b... at (no spam) iphouse.com> wrote: If both of
you would stop using googlegroups,

"How do they create arthralgia-myalgia syndrome.. ?
Inject iron into the human body. "

I notice you didn't say a whole lot about .. myalgia ..

You DID make a .. comment .. though .. Hyman ..

Contributive comment .. ?

A contributive comment .. imho .. would have been to tell Michael ..
to .. follow netiquette and not post to a thread when the post is
not .. **contributive** / supportive.

I doubt your comments are INTENDED to BE contributive.

I think I will stay ..

Maybe you can convince .. those non-supportive people .. to leave .. ?

Maybe you should leave with .. him .. ?

Maybe start your own little group .. ?

Let me advise you to call it .. alt.handicapped.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Michael can go .. his alt.group is about to go .. anyhow
Innews:f216e1ef-
de5e-4286-8ae1-2cda3b56d... at (no spam) c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com

Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
And you've been told that you are a twit that is egregiously
committing copyright infringement with every one of your reprints.

If both of you would stop using googlegroups, subscribe to a real news
service and use a real newsreader with a decent filter, neither of you
need ever see a post from the other again.

You could probably also avoid screwing up your attributions.

On Jul 12, 7:56 pm, ironjustice <teamtan... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 12, 3:11 pm, Michael B <baugh... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote: snip

You've been told to stay off my threads ..

--
Bert Hyman      St. Paul, MN    b... at (no spam) iphouse.com- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's hard for me to believe that I am in any way supporting Michael,
but fact is Tom, that this is UseNet and you do not 'own' a thread.
And this is appropriate for me to post as you are posting about the
usage of  'your' thread.   Back to lurking and laughing.-fran- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OMG Michael!!!!!,

You are just too funny for moi!    Thank you for much needed
laughter!!!!  It was well worth laughing through my migraine......
Again, thanks......

I've just learned about SpongeBob recently through my visting
grandkids......and I just love the little fella!

Take care and be well out there!  Debra- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Jul 14, 3:43 pm, ironjustice <ironjust... at (no spam) cashette.com
wrote:Deposition of iron in tissues

Free radicals and antioxidants in primary fibromyalgia: an oxidative
stress disorder?
Journal Rheumatology International

Original Article
Free radicals and antioxidants in primary fibromyalgia: an oxidative
stress disorder?
Selda Bagis1, 4 , Lulufer Tamer2, Gunsah Sahin1, Ramazan Bilgin3,
Hayal Guler1, Bahadir Ercan2 and Canan Erdogan1

(1)  Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation Department, Mersin
University Medical School, Mersin, Turkey
(2)  Biochemistry Department, Mersin University Medical School,
Mersin, Turkey
(3)  Biochemistry Department, Art and Science Faculty, Cukurova
University, Adana, Turkey
(4)  Guzelyali mah. 15.sok. Bilgin apt., Kat:6 No:11, 01120 Adana,
Turkey

Received: 24 March 2003  Accepted: 31 October 2003  Published online:
20 December 2003

Abstract  The role of free radicals in fibromyalgia is controversial.
In this study, 85 female patients with primary fibromyalgia and 80
age-, height-, and weight-matched healthy women were evaluated for
oxidant/antioxidant balance. Malondialdehyde is a toxic metabolite of
lipid peroxidation used as a marker of free radical damage. Superoxide
dismutase is an intracellular antioxidant enzyme and shows antioxidant
capacity. Pain was assessed by visual analog scale. Tender points were
assessed by palpation. Age, smoking, body mass index (BMI), and
duration of disease were also recorded. Malondialdehyde levels were
significantly higher and superoxide dismutase levels significantly
lower in fibromyalgic patients than controls. Age, BMI, smoking, and
duration of disease did not affect these parameters. We found no
correlation between pain and number of tender points. In conclusion,
oxidant/antioxidant balances were changed in fibromyalgia. Increased
free radical levels may be responsible for the development of
fibromyalgia. These findings may support the hypothesis of
fibromyalgia as an oxidative disorder.
Keywords  Antioxidant - Fibromyalgia - Oxidant
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0172-8172 (Print) 1437-160X (Online)
Issue Volume 25, Number 3 / April, 2005
Category Original Article
DOI 10.1007/s00296-003-0427-8

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On Jul 14, 1:52 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl... at (no spam) bellatlantic.net
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What part of stay off **my** threads don't ya understand .. ?
-----------------------------------http://www.nature.com/ki/journal/v55/n69s/full/4490859a.html

"Deposition of iron in tissues related to myalgia"

This is the human model of fibromyalgia.
They are attempting to find a way to prevent fibromyalgia from ..
happening.

How do they create arthralgia-myalgia syndrome.. ?

Inject iron into the human body.
-----------------
Value of methylprednisolone in prevention of the arthralgia-myalgia
syndrome associated with the total dose infusion of iron dextran : A
double blind randomized trial
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
AUERBACH M. ; CHAUDHRY M. ; GOLDMAN H. ; BALLARD H. ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
Franklin Square Hospital Center, Baltimore, ETATS-UNIS
Manhattan Veterans Administration Medical Center, New York, ETATS-
UNIS

Résumé / Abstract
The safety and efficacy of total dose infusion (TDI) of iron dextran
has been well documented. In 40% of treated patients, an arthralgia-
myalgia syndrome develops. The purpose of this randomized, double-
blind, prospective study was to investigate whether intravenous (IV)
administration of methylprednisolone (MP) prevents this complication.
Sixty-five patients, 34 women and 31 men, ages 36 to 80 years,
received either normal saline before and after TDI (group 1), 125 mg
IV MP before and saline after TDI (group 2), or 125 mg IV MP before
and after TDI (group 3). Patients were observed for 72 hours and
reactions were recorded and graded according to severity. Fifty-eight
percent of group 1 patients, 33% of group 2, and 26% of group 3 had
reactions to TDI. The severity of reactions (minimal, mild, and
moderate, respectively) was as follows: group 1-6, 6, and 2; group
2-1, 5, and 0; group 3-5, 1, and 0. Data were analyzed by the two-
sided Fisher's exact test using 95% confidence intervals with the
approximation of Woolf. These data demonstrate that administration of
MP before and after TDI reduces the frequency and severity of the
arthralgia-myalgia syndrome. We conclude that 125 mg IV MP should be
given routinely before and after TDI of iron dextran.
Revue / Journal Title
The Journal of laboratory and clinical medicine   ISSN 0022-2143
CODEN JLCMAK
Source / Source
1998, vol. 131, no3, pp. 257-260 (8 ref.)
Langue / Language
Anglais

Editeur / Publisher
Elsevier, Saint Louis, MO, ETATS-UNIS (1915-2006) (Revue)

Mots-clés anglais / English Keywords
Iron ; Dextran ; Perfusion ; Intravenous administration ; Toxicity ;
Myalgia ; Arthralgia ; Methylprednisolone ; Corticosteroid ;
Controlled therapeutic trial ; Chemotherapy ; Treatment ;
Prevention ;
Human ; Randomization ; Double blind study ; Pain ; Striated muscle
disease ; Joint ; Diseases of the osteoarticular system ;
Mots-clés français / French Keywords
Fer ; Dextran ; Perfusion ; Voie intraveineuse ; Toxicité ; Myalgie ;
Arthralgie ; Méthylprednisolone ; Corticostéroïde ; Essai
thérapeutique contrôlé ; Chimiothérapie ; Traitement ; Prévention ;
Homme ; Randomisation ; Etude double insu ; Douleur ; Muscle strié
pathologie ; Articulation ; Système ostéoarticulaire pathologie ;
Mots-clés espagnols / Spanish Keywords
Hierro ; Dextran ; Perfusión ; Vía intravenosa ; Toxicidad ;
Mialgia ;
Artralgia ; Metilprednisolona ; Corticoesteroide ; Ensayo terapéutico
controlado ; Quimioterapia ; Tratamiento ; Prevención ; Hombre ;
Aleatorización ; Estudio doble ciego ; Dolor ; Músculo estriado
patología ; Articulación ; Sistema osteoarticular patología ;
Localisation / Location
INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 2060, 35400007522346.0120
Copyright 2007 INIST-CNRS. All rights reserved
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ou
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préalable écrit de l'INIST-CNRS.
No part of these records may be reproduced of distributed, in any
form
or by any means, without the prior written permission of INIST-CNRS.

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On Jul 14, 3:55 pm, ironjustice <ironjust... at (no spam) cashette.com> wrote:
oxidative stress

Total antioxidant capacity and the severity of the pain in patients
with fibromyalgia.
Redox Rep. 2006;11(3):131-5.
Altindag O, Celik H.
Department of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Harran University,
Sanliurfa, Turkey. ozaltin... at (no spam) yahoo.com

The purpose of the study was to determine the oxidative and
antioxidative status of plasma in patients with fibromyalgia.
Total antioxidant capacity (TAC) of plasma was significantly lower in
patients with fibromyalgia (n = 20) than in healthy controls (n = 20)
[1.5 (SD 0.3) and 1.9 (SD 0.3) mmol Trolox equiv./l, P = 0.001].
In contrast, the total peroxide level of plasma was significantly
higher in patients than in healthy controls [37.4 (SD 6.7) and 33.0
(SD 2.7) micromol H2O2/l; P = 0.01].
The oxidative stress index (OSI) level was significantly higher in
patients with fibromyalgia than in healthy controls [2.5 (SD 1.0) and
1.8 (SD 0.4); P = 0.007].
A significant negative correlation between visual analogue scale (VAS)
and TAC level was determined (r = -0.79, P < 0.001).
The present results indicate that patients with fibromyalgia are
exposed to oxidative stress and this increased oxidative stress may
play a role in the etiopathogenesis of the disease.
Supplementation of antioxidant vitamins such as vitamins C and E to
the therapy may be indicated.

PMID: 16805968 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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On Jul 14, 3:43 pm, ironjustice <ironjust... at (no spam) cashette.com
wrote:Deposition of iron in tissues

Free radicals and antioxidants in primary fibromyalgia: an oxidative
stress disorder?
Journal Rheumatology International

Original Article
Free radicals and antioxidants in primary fibromyalgia: an oxidative
stress disorder?
Selda Bagis1, 4 , Lulufer Tamer2, Gunsah Sahin1, Ramazan Bilgin3,
Hayal Guler1, Bahadir Ercan2 and Canan Erdogan1

(1)  Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation Department, Mersin
University Medical School, Mersin, Turkey
(2)  Biochemistry Department, Mersin University Medical School,
Mersin, Turkey
(3)  Biochemistry Department, Art and Science Faculty, Cukurova
University, Adana, Turkey
(4)  Guzelyali mah. 15.sok. Bilgin apt., Kat:6 No:11, 01120 Adana,
Turkey

Received: 24 March 2003  Accepted: 31 October 2003  Published online:
20 December 2003

Abstract  The role of free radicals in fibromyalgia is controversial.
In this study, 85 female patients with primary fibromyalgia and 80
age-, height-, and weight-matched healthy women were evaluated for
oxidant/antioxidant balance. Malondialdehyde is a toxic metabolite of
lipid peroxidation used as a marker of free radical damage. Superoxide
dismutase is an intracellular antioxidant enzyme and shows antioxidant
capacity. Pain was assessed by visual analog scale. Tender points were
assessed by palpation. Age, smoking, body mass index (BMI), and
duration of disease were also recorded. Malondialdehyde levels were
significantly higher and superoxide dismutase levels significantly
lower in fibromyalgic patients than controls. Age, BMI, smoking, and
duration of disease did not affect these parameters. We found no
correlation between pain and number of tender points. In conclusion,
oxidant/antioxidant balances were changed in fibromyalgia. Increased
free radical levels may be responsible for the development of
fibromyalgia. These findings may support the hypothesis of
fibromyalgia as an oxidative disorder.
Keywords  Antioxidant - Fibromyalgia - Oxidant
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0172-8172 (Print) 1437-160X (Online)
Issue Volume 25, Number 3 / April, 2005
Category Original Article
DOI 10.1007/s00296-003-0427-8

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On Jul 14, 1:52 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl... at (no spam) bellatlantic.net
wrote: long winded whack

What part of stay off **my** threads don't ya understand .. ?
-----------------------------------http://www.nature.com/ki/journal/v55/n69s/full/4490859a.html

"Deposition of iron in tissues related to myalgia"

This is the human model of fibromyalgia.
They are attempting to find a way to prevent fibromyalgia from ..
happening.

How do they create arthralgia-myalgia syndrome.. ?

Inject iron into the human body.
-----------------
Value of methylprednisolone in prevention of the arthralgia-myalgia
syndrome associated with the total dose infusion of iron dextran : A
double blind randomized trial
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
AUERBACH M. ; CHAUDHRY M. ; GOLDMAN H. ; BALLARD H. ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
Franklin Square Hospital Center, Baltimore, ETATS-UNIS
Manhattan Veterans Administration Medical Center, New York, ETATS-
UNIS

Résumé / Abstract
The safety and efficacy of total dose infusion (TDI) of iron dextran
has been well documented. In 40% of treated patients, an arthralgia-
myalgia syndrome develops. The purpose of this randomized, double-
blind, prospective study was to investigate whether intravenous (IV)
administration of methylprednisolone (MP) prevents this complication.
Sixty-five patients, 34 women and 31 men, ages 36 to 80 years,
received either normal saline before and after TDI (group 1), 125 mg
IV MP before and saline after TDI (group 2), or 125 mg IV MP before
and after TDI (group 3). Patients were observed for 72 hours and
reactions were recorded and graded according to severity. Fifty-eight
percent of group 1 patients, 33% of group 2, and 26% of group 3 had
reactions to TDI. The severity of reactions (minimal, mild, and
moderate, respectively) was as follows: group 1-6, 6, and 2; group
2-1, 5, and 0; group 3-5, 1, and 0. Data were analyzed by the two-
sided Fisher's exact test using 95% confidence intervals with the
approximation of Woolf. These data demonstrate that administration of
MP before and after TDI reduces the frequency and severity of the
arthralgia-myalgia syndrome. We conclude that 125 mg IV MP should be
given routinely before and after TDI of iron dextran.
Revue / Journal Title
The Journal of laboratory and clinical medicine   ISSN 0022-2143
CODEN JLCMAK
Source / Source
1998, vol. 131, no3, pp. 257-260 (8 ref.)
Langue / Language
Anglais

Editeur / Publisher
Elsevier, Saint Louis, MO, ETATS-UNIS (1915-2006) (Revue)

Mots-clés anglais / English Keywords
Iron ; Dextran ; Perfusion ; Intravenous administration ; Toxicity ;
Myalgia ; Arthralgia ; Methylprednisolone ; Corticosteroid ;
Controlled therapeutic trial ; Chemotherapy ; Treatment ;
Prevention ;
Human ; Randomization ; Double blind study ; Pain ; Striated muscle
disease ; Joint ; Diseases of the osteoarticular system ;
Mots-clés français / French Keywords
Fer ; Dextran ; Perfusion ; Voie intraveineuse ; Toxicité ; Myalgie ;
Arthralgie ; Méthylprednisolone ; Corticostéroïde ; Essai
thérapeutique contrôlé ; Chimiothérapie ; Traitement ; Prévention ;
Homme ; Randomisation ; Etude double insu ; Douleur ; Muscle strié
pathologie ; Articulation ; Système ostéoarticulaire pathologie ;
Mots-clés espagnols / Spanish Keywords
Hierro ; Dextran ; Perfusión ; Vía intravenosa ; Toxicidad ;
Mialgia ;
Artralgia ; Metilprednisolona ; Corticoesteroide ; Ensayo terapéutico
controlado ; Quimioterapia ; Tratamiento ; Prevención ; Hombre ;
Aleatorización ; Estudio doble ciego ; Dolor ; Músculo estriado
patología ; Articulación ; Sistema osteoarticular patología ;
Localisation / Location
INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 2060, 35400007522346.0120
Copyright 2007 INIST-CNRS. All rights reserved
Toute reproduction ou diffusion même partielle, par quelque procédé
ou
sur tout support que ce soit, ne pourra être faite sans l'accord
préalable écrit de l'INIST-CNRS.
No part of these records may be reproduced of distributed, in any
form
or by any means, without the prior written permission of INIST-CNRS.

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On Jul 14, 5:35 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl... at (no spam) bellatlantic.net
wrote:long winded whack

What part of stay off **my** threads don't ya understand .. ?
-----------------------------------

http://www.nature.com/ki/journal/v55/n69s/full/4490859a.html

"Deposition of iron in tissues related to myalgia"
-----------------------------------

http://www.medicineatmichigan.org/magazine/2005/spring/lungs/default.asp

"The mainstays of treatment of inflammation are still corticosteroids,
aspirin and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) like
ibruprofen."

The articles below though .. show .. iron to BE ..
"coincidentally" ..
closely involved.

Aspirin / iron chelating
Ibuprofen / iron chelating
Corticosteroid / improves siderosis

Ibuprofen prevents oxidant lung injury and in vitro lipid
peroxidation
by chelating iron.http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=296904

Iron chelation as a possible mechanism for aspirin-induced
malondialdehyde production by mouse liver microsomes and
mitochondria.http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=442488

Superficial hemosiderosis of the central nervous system improved by
corticosteroidshttp://tinyurl.com/5dbjoa

-----------------------------------------------

Rheumatol Int. 2006 May;26(7):585-97. Epub 2005 Nov 20.

Current concepts in the pathophysiology of fibromyalgia: the
potential
role of oxidative stress and nitric oxide.

Ozgocmen S, Ozyurt H, Sogut S, Akyol O. Division of Rheumatology,
Department of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Faculty of
Medicine, Firat University, 23119 Elazig, Turkey.
sozgoc... at (no spam) hotmail.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam
bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

Fibromyalgia (FM) is a common chronic pain syndrome with an unknown
etiology. Recent years added new information to our understanding of
FM pathophysiology. Researches on genetics, biogenic amines,
neurotransmitters, hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis hormones,
oxidative stress, and mechanisms of pain modulation, central
sensitization, and autonomic functions in FM revealed various
abnormalities indicating that multiple factors and mechanisms are
involved in the pathogenesis of FM. Oxidative stress and nitric oxide
may play an important role in FM pathophysiology, however it is still
not clear whether oxidative stress abnormalities documented in FM are
the cause or the effect. This should encourage further researches
evaluating the potential role of oxidative stress and nitric oxide in
the pathophysiology of FM and the efficacy of antioxidant treatments
(omega-3 and -6 fatty acids, vitamins and others) in double blind and
placebo controlled trials. These future researches will enhance our
understanding of the complex pathophysiology of this disorder.

PMID: 16328420 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
--------------------
Free radicals and antioxidants in primary fibromyalgia: an oxidative
stress disorder?
Journal Rheumatology International

Original Article
Free radicals and antioxidants in primary fibromyalgia: an oxidative
stress disorder?
Selda Bagis1, 4 , Lulufer Tamer2, Gunsah Sahin1, Ramazan Bilgin3,
Hayal Guler1, Bahadir Ercan2 and Canan Erdogan1

(1)  Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation Department, Mersin
University Medical School, Mersin, Turkey
(2)  Biochemistry Department, Mersin University Medical School,
Mersin, Turkey
(3)  Biochemistry Department, Art and Science Faculty, Cukurova
University, Adana, Turkey
(4)  Guzelyali mah. 15.sok. Bilgin apt., Kat:6 No:11, 01120 Adana,
Turkey

Received: 24 March 2003  Accepted: 31 October 2003  Published online:
20 December 2003

Abstract  The role of free radicals in fibromyalgia is controversial.
In this study, 85 female patients with primary fibromyalgia and 80
age-, height-, and weight-matched healthy women were evaluated for
oxidant/antioxidant balance. Malondialdehyde is a toxic metabolite of
lipid peroxidation used as a marker of free radical damage.
Superoxide
dismutase is an intracellular antioxidant enzyme and shows
antioxidant
capacity. Pain was assessed by visual analog scale. Tender points
were
assessed by palpation. Age, smoking, body mass index (BMI), and
duration of disease were also recorded. Malondialdehyde levels were
significantly higher and superoxide dismutase levels significantly
lower in fibromyalgic patients than controls. Age, BMI, smoking, and
duration of disease did not affect these parameters. We found no
correlation between pain and number of tender points. In conclusion,
oxidant/antioxidant balances were changed in fibromyalgia. Increased
free radical levels may be responsible for the development of
fibromyalgia. These findings may support the hypothesis of
fibromyalgia as an oxidative disorder.
Keywords  Antioxidant - Fibromyalgia - Oxidant
Publisher Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN 0172-8172 (Print) 1437-160X (Online)
Issue Volume 25, Number 3 / April, 2005
Category Original Article
DOI 10.1007/s00296-003-0427-8

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On Jul 14, 1:52 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl... at (no spam) bellatlantic.net
wrote: long winded whack

What part of stay off **my** threads don't ya understand .. ?
-----------------------------------
a) you don't own any thread

On Jul 14, 8:38 am, fran <fmc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:Let me repeat one
more time, YOU DO NOT OWN A THREAD!

I start a thread there is going to be .. NO .. abuse of the poster ..

Period ..

YOU don't .. like that .. rule .. ?

Who cares whether or not you like my .. rules.

Those are the rules .. understand .. ?

Is that too hard for ya .. ?

Either be contributive / supportive .. or stay off the thread .. and
then if someone does become roadkill ON **my** thread .. then you
won't be privy to it .. will ya .. or INVOLVED in it .. directly or as
I said .. ENGAGED .. IN . . . . it . .

Stay away from .. **me** .. or abide by my rules which coincidentally
are the same rules used by every ISP in the world.

"No personal abuse"

Understand .. ?
Comprendez .. ?

Do ya .. ?

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On Jul 14, 8:38 am, fran <fmc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:It's hard for you
to accept but it's the truth. Also I
cleaned up all the cross threads in your post, it's really childish
of
you to keep that silliness up after you have been asked time and
again to stop it.

The crosspost is to .. evidence to ALL in attendance ..
cyberbullying .. and abuse by members OF .. ? ..
alt.med.fibromyalgia .. in which YOU .. coincidentally have .. ALSO ..
had a hand in over the years ..

Don't be screwing with my crossposts .. you KNOW that .. don't ya.