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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:13 pm
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HEIL HITLER

The holocaust is alive and well in the nursing homes. No guns. No
gas. Only Crohns Disease produced by the use of anti-depressants and the
mind connection. Deadly combination for the innocent resident not on
any anti-depressant.

Gail Michael
Stutz B. Cat...
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:34 am
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HEIL HITLER

The holocaust is alive and well in the nursing homes. No guns. No
gas. Only Crohns Disease produced by the use of anti-depressants and
the
mind connection. Deadly combination for the innocent resident not on
any anti-depressant.

Gail Michael


Please site medical peer reviews.
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:18 pm
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Sorry, but the medical profession and I believe pharmaceuticals do not know
the cause of crohns and some get angry with me if I tell this to them. I
think it jeopardizes their career to accept such a theory. after all, who is
going to deny anti-depressants (they are the biggest sellers of meds, I
believe). What alternative would there be. Talk therapy which is too
time consuming, as one doctor said. They want a medical cause for crohns
and there is not any. How can they say to a patient, your friend or
relative is making you sick. They would be thought insane, as I am at
times. Difficult and weird illness, Dr. Crohns and colleagues could not
find the cause but concluded it was of environmental origin. No one can
understand the scope of the problem or the nature ensuring our lives will be
affected for many years and years to come. But I will persist, as crohns
is a very debilitating disease and early death for many.
AOL has a blog? under my screen name Kureforcrohns Hit search.
Some but not all are my writings.
Gail Michael

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HEIL HITLER

The holocaust is alive and well in the nursing homes. No guns. No
gas. Only Crohns Disease produced by the use of anti-depressants and
the
mind connection. Deadly combination for the innocent resident not
on
any anti-depressant.

Gail Michael


Please site medical peer reviews.

MSmith...
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:08 pm
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Sorry


So this is your OPINION then, since you refuse to cite studies to back up
what you posted......

figures
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:24 pm
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Are there physicians on this newsgroup. Would be happy if one would join
me in getting this OPINION known to the world. I have some info that may
help. Opinions and theory can be truthful by astuteness and experience
and observation over many years.
Sme things are learned by accident and can be valuable. This information
is of value to most if they can relate.
Gail

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Sorry


So this is your OPINION then, since you refuse to cite studies to back up
what you posted......

figures
MSmith...
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:07 pm
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Be gone, troll, if you can't back it up, its just words.


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Are there physicians on this newsgroup. Would be happy if one would
join me in getting this OPINION known to the world. I have some info
that may help. Opinions and theory can be truthful by astuteness and
experience and observation over many years.
Sme things are learned by accident and can be valuable. This
information is of value to most if they can relate.
Gail

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Sorry


So this is your OPINION then, since you refuse to cite studies to back up
what you posted......

figures


The Central Scrutinizer...
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:35 pm
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Frank? Frank? That you, Frank?


On 7/14/08 5:07 PM, in article
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<Msmith at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

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Be gone, troll, if you can't back it up, its just words.


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Are there physicians on this newsgroup. Would be happy if one would
join me in getting this OPINION known to the world. I have some info
that may help. Opinions and theory can be truthful by astuteness and
experience and observation over many years.
Sme things are learned by accident and can be valuable. This
information is of value to most if they can relate.
Gail

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Sorry


So this is your OPINION then, since you refuse to cite studies to back up
what you posted......

figures




Stutz B. Cat...
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:40 am
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Quote:
Sorry, but the medical profession and I believe pharmaceuticals do not
know
the cause of crohns and some get angry with me if I tell this to them. I
think it jeopardizes their career to accept such a theory. after all, who
is
going to deny anti-depressants (they are the biggest sellers of meds, I
believe). What alternative would there be. Talk therapy which is too
time consuming, as one doctor said. They want a medical cause for
crohns
and there is not any. How can they say to a patient, your friend or
relative is making you sick. They would be thought insane, as I am at
times. Difficult and weird illness, Dr. Crohns and colleagues could not
find the cause but concluded it was of environmental origin. No one can
understand the scope of the problem or the nature ensuring our lives will
be
affected for many years and years to come. But I will persist, as
crohns
is a very debilitating disease and early death for many.
AOL has a blog? under my screen name Kureforcrohns Hit search.
Some but not all are my writings.
Gail Michael

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HEIL HITLER

The holocaust is alive and well in the nursing homes. No guns. No
gas. Only Crohns Disease produced by the use of anti-depressants and
the
mind connection. Deadly combination for the innocent resident not
on
any anti-depressant.

Gail Michael


Please site medical peer reviews.




You may want to search Yale School of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Library of

Congress, Merck Manual, National Library of Medicine, Medline, Medline Plus,
Pubmed, info.com, and Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center, The National
Institute of Health, ...to name a few.

The etiology of Crohns's Disease is not definitly known, although most
research indicates problems associated with the immune system's reaction to
bacteria and genetic predisposition. At the same time, there are articles
which may associate CD with the environment, although the environment
factors not being not specific.

By the way, CD usually appears between the ages of 15 to 45.

Stutz
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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:03 pm
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You can search all the Universities, medical establishments, etc. etc. etc.
in all the world, and I stand by my assertion that crohns disease and UC are
caused by stimulants, anti-depressants being the more common because of the
heavy use. Anyone want to make a bet, $1,000. 0r 100,000 (which I do not
have, of course) $1,000 is okay.
I don't say this recklessly, I know for certain though I am neither
physician or medical person. It does not have a medical cause and anyone
that has crohns can prove it to their self if they take the time.
Most times, if the crohnie is thinking of that person on the stimulant,
he/she will feel the pain or symptom. A very dear psychiatrist whom I was
taking someone living with me to, could not believe this as the cause, but
always asked about it. Said a fellow who came to him wanted to know why he
felt a pain every time he thought of this particular person. Reasonable
question for the Doc. Doctor didn't know, and I couldn't think fast enough
and had the answer ready for the next visit. Unfortunately, the Doctor did
not live until the next visit.
Male nurse at the nursing home was having pain in his feet, standing and
walking, asked me why (I always talked so much) I told him this particular
woman on anti-depressants is sitting in front of his lobby desk, watching
him constantly. Came in the following week, said the doctor diagnosed
crohns disease. Instead of saying something to the administrator, he quit.
Heard he was suing the home but really has no case as the FDA has not made
the anti-depressants banned drugs.
The proof it etc.etc. etc. I take this seriously, as I worry for my and
everyone's future generations that will have no idea of the actual cause.
They will still be saying cow's milk, bacteria. and a few new nonsense
causes like genetics. (Usually more than one person can be using
anti-depressants in a family, thus several people in the family suffering.)
Age is no factor neither. Babies, small children with Inflammatory Bowel
Disease, young adults, college students (sometimes smoking marijuana in
groups) adults and old, old, oldsters. I could go on and on, but it does
no good, I need help, someone that is strong in morals and weak in animal
strength to cope with the pharmaceuticals and physicians.
This will affect almost all in time in one way or another. It is too
difficult to accept because of the ramifications it will produce.
Gail Michael Gail Michael Gail Michael
Kureforcrohns Kureforcrohns Kureforcrohns>>
Quote:

You may want to search Yale School of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Library of
Congress, Merck Manual, National Library of Medicine, Medline, Medline
Plus,
Pubmed, info.com, and Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center, The National
Institute of Health, ...to name a few.

The etiology of Crohns's Disease is not definitly known, although most
research indicates problems associated with the immune system's reaction
to
bacteria and genetic predisposition. At the same time, there are articles
which may associate CD with the environment, although the environment
factors not being not specific.

By the way, CD usually appears between the ages of 15 to 45.

Stutz

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Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:36 pm
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Incidentally, the nursing home has taken the chairs the residents used to
sit in front of the nurses desk away. So big was the turnover.
Strange, how I never thought of that solution. Guess they have an inkling
(the new male nurse must have objected to being watched)
smart guy.
Gail
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Stutz B. Cat...
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:55 am
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Quote:
You can search all the Universities, medical establishments, etc. etc.
etc.
in all the world, and I stand by my assertion that crohns disease and UC

You know nothing about Ulcerative Colitis ( UC ).

Quote:
are
caused by stimulants, anti-depressants being the more common because of
the
heavy use.

Then, how does one at the age of six ( 6 ) have a diagnosis of UC.

Quote:
Anyone want to make a bet, $1,000. 0r 100,000 (which I do not
have, of course) $1,000 is okay.
I don't say this recklessly, I know for certain though I am neither
physician or medical person. It does not have a medical cause and
anyone
that has crohns can prove it to their self if they take the time.
Most times, if the crohnie is thinking of that person on the stimulant,
he/she will feel the pain or symptom. A very dear psychiatrist whom I was
taking someone living with me to, could not believe this as the cause, but
always asked about it. Said a fellow who came to him wanted to know why
he
felt a pain every time he thought of this particular person. Reasonable
question for the Doc. Doctor didn't know, and I couldn't think fast
enough
and had the answer ready for the next visit. Unfortunately, the Doctor
did
not live until the next visit.
Male nurse at the nursing home was having pain in his feet, standing and
walking, asked me why (I always talked so much) I told him this particular
woman on anti-depressants is sitting in front of his lobby desk, watching
him constantly. Came in the following week, said the doctor diagnosed
crohns disease. Instead of saying something to the administrator, he
quit.
Heard he was suing the home but really has no case as the FDA has not made
the anti-depressants banned drugs.
The proof it etc.etc. etc. I take this seriously, as I worry for my and
everyone's future generations that will have no idea of the actual cause.

Why not work on the solution, rather than complain.

Quote:
They will still be saying cow's milk, bacteria. and a few new nonsense
causes like genetics.

Nonsense! Just the opposite.

Quote:
(Usually more than one person can be using
anti-depressants in a family, thus several people in the family
suffering.)
Age is no factor neither. Babies, small children with Inflammatory Bowel
Disease, young adults, college students (sometimes smoking marijuana in
groups) adults and old, old, oldsters. I could go on and on, but it
does
no good, I need help,

Study.

Quote:
someone that is strong in morals and weak in animal
strength to cope with the pharmaceuticals and physicians.
This will affect almost all in time in one way or another. It is too
difficult to accept because of the ramifications it will produce.
Gail Michael Gail Michael Gail Michael
Kureforcrohns Kureforcrohns Kureforcrohns

You may want to search Yale School of Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Library
of
Congress, Merck Manual, National Library of Medicine, Medline, Medline
Plus,
Pubmed, info.com, and Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center, The National
Institute of Health, ...to name a few.

The etiology of Crohns's Disease is not definitly known, although most
research indicates problems associated with the immune system's reaction
to
bacteria and genetic predisposition. At the same time, there are
articles
which may associate CD with the environment, although the environment
factors not being not specific.

By the way, CD usually appears between the ages of 15 to 45.

Stutz





Stutz
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:32 am
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A while back a little girl 5 years old in UK had UC, and was suffering
badly.
Her mother (and a friend) were on anti-depressants. This was on the Crohns
group. Everybody was screaming for the mother to have her have the child's
colon removed as that is supposedly the cure for UC.
I tried to tell the mother to cease her anti-depressant (and keep the friend
away, as the girl would scream when the friend visited) The mother made
the brilliant statement that "G-d was giving the child a challenge". To me
that was abhorrent, it would mean every crohns and UC victim is being given
a challenge by G-d. Well, finally the child got well and no surgery. I
would imagine the mother finally realized the logic of at least trying to
cease the anti-depressant and see what that brings forth. It cost nothing
but some inconvenience on her part. Personaly, I do very well on
anti-depressants, which I used long ago with disastrous results to others,
and from that time on, I vowed to never use anti-depressants and have kept
that vow very much to my disadvantage.
Quote:

You know nothing about Ulcerative Colitis ( UC ).

Then, how does one at the age of six ( 6 ) have a diagnosis of UC.

I did not diagnose the child, apparently the mother already had the

diagnosis.
Ulcerative Colitis is the other side of the coin of crohns disease.
At one time crohns was called Ileitis, because that was the known cause of
what later came to be called crohns disease, because it became known that
the illness can affect ANY part of the body, eyes, ears, feet, heart etc.
Usually affects the weaker or most stressed part of the body. However, the
digestive system remains the major part of the body to be affected, even in
addition to others. The student that drops dead of a heart attack on the
baseball court without a history of cardiac problems, I take to be crohns.
Also, to be a little more agressive, I would guess that Danny Smith, Nicole
Smith's son who died and still no known reason, was a victim of his
mother's heavy use of Xanax. He was ill before he went to visit his mother
and didn't really want to go, but did go to visit her and the baby after
all. I know you will criticize me on all counts, but the fact remains
there are many deaths that are due to crohns but attributed to the cause
seen in the apparentness of the situation. Of course that is not always
the case, most deaths are of legitimate reasons, but there remains the
possibility of crohns to those that are sus[icious.

Quote:
I try to work on the solution. I have contacted many persons I had hoped
would help, but it is almost a taboo subject. One person I have in mind

could almost certainly convince the world of its truth, but apparently will
not even mention crohns, so unpopular is the illness and cause. I do not
have the status nor money to do more than I do. (mail and Xeroxing has cost
me plenty, a small ad in the paper helped a little, One doctor said he
believed the theory.)
I would give $5,000 to the nursing home (which is probably nothing) if they
would discontinue anti-depressants for two weeks, and all would improve or
negate the illness for the time. Vistors on anti-depressants could be a
problem, but only temporarily
Quote:

Study.

Study what? I am not a professor. I very seldom read articles on crohns,

I consider it a waste of time, and about treatments, I know and read almost
nothing. I have my own mode of treatment, not alway successfully. But
what I need is a controlled substance and hard to get, to reduce the stress
continually. Not easy, as the FDA does not recognize all medications
properly.
Animals react to med stimulants also (not always) but being an animal lover,
I have never suggested a study be done on animals. It probably has too
many variances of behavior to make absolute conclusions.
Quote:

As one fellow on alt.support.crohns/colitis newsgroup, said, "Why do I have
to suffer with this illness. I never did anything to deserve it"
That is pretty much in a nutshell the unfairness of crohns and yes, UC.

Gail Michael
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:40 am
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I would venture to say new illnesses would drop by a large percentage if
anti-depressants were banned, and marijuana, another common love of many.
Fibro-myalgia, etc. What I have observed is that can be an offshoot of
crohns. and children could be children without a tage after their name.
Then the truly disturbed could seek counseling.
Gail

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Stutz B. Cat...
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:51 am
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/snip/

Quote:
Study.

Study what? I am not a professor. I very seldom read articles on
crohns,
I consider it a waste of time, and about treatments, I know and read
almost
nothing. I have my own mode of treatment, not alway successfully. But
what I need is a controlled substance and hard to get, to reduce the
stress
continually.> Gail Michael

Stutz
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:48 am
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I would venture to say new illnesses would drop by a large percentage if
anti-depressants were banned, and marijuana, another common love of many.
Fibro-myalgia, etc. What I have observed is that can be an offshoot of
crohns. and children could be children without a tage after their name.
Then the truly disturbed could seek counseling.
Gail

You wrote in another forum:

" If you know the illness Crohns and Ulcerative Colitis, this is transmitted
from one person to another by a mind/body connection, literally.When one
person is on an anti-depressant, Xanax, Prozac or any, or marijuana,
cocaine,
these drugs have an uncanny ability to transfer harm to a second or third
party
whom the user knows, simply by the mind and stimulant."

You must know by now that things are becoming clear when you begin
serving your Teddy Bear milk and cookies.

Stutz
 
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