A * Titans * Fight III : Jack Tomky versus R A.
Fisher


Readers, take into account

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www.minitab.com
/resources/Articles/WhyWeDontAccept.pdf

Why We Don´t “ Accept “ the Null Hypotheses
K.M.Bower, J.A.Colton

(Excerpt)… Ronald A. Fisher succinctly discusses the
key point
*** In relation to ay experiment we may speak of …
the “ null hypotheses “ and should be noted that the
null hypotheses I never proved or established, but
possibly disproved, in the course of experimentation.
Every experiment may be said to exist only in order
to give the facts a chance of disapproving the null
hypotheses. ***
Ronald A. Fisher, The Design of Experiments, 8th ed.
,Ne York, Hafner Publishing Company Inc. 1966, 17.

Luis Amaral Afonso [The Moderator Destroyer]

A  * Titans * Fight III : Jack Tomky versus R A.
Fisher

Readers, take into account

***********************
www.minitab.com
/resources/Articles/WhyWeDontAccept.pdf

Why We Don´t “ Accept “ the Null Hypotheses
K.M.Bower, J.A.Colton

(Excerpt)… Ronald A. Fisher succinctly discusses the
key point
*** In relation to ay experiment we may speak of …
the “ null hypotheses “ and should be noted that the
null hypotheses I never proved or established, but
possibly disproved, in the course of experimentation.
Every experiment may be said to exist only in order
to give the facts a chance of disapproving the null
hypotheses. ***
Ronald A. Fisher, The Design of Experiments, 8th ed.
,Ne York, Hafner Publishing Company Inc. 1966, 17.

Luis Amaral Afonso [The Moderator Destroyer]

Fisher not only never accepted a null hypothesis, he also never accepted the alternative hypothesis.  He also never rejected the null hypothesis.  The reason is that under his framework, the alternative hypothesis did not exist.  It took Neyman and Pearson to introduce the concept of an alternative hypothesis, along with type II errors and criteria for choosing optimal tests.

Once an alternative hypothesis is mentioned, it takes it outside the Fisher framework of tests of significance and into the NP framework of hypothesis testing.

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On 11 Jul, 00:08, Jack Tomsky <jtom... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com
wrote:
A * Titans * Fight III : Jack Tomky versus R A.
Fisher

Readers, take into account

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www.minitab.com
/resources/Articles/WhyWeDontAccept.pdf

Why We Don´t “ Accept “ the Null Hypotheses
K.M.Bower, J.A.Colton

(Excerpt)… Ronald A. Fisher succinctly discusses
the
key point
*** In relation to ay experiment we may speak of
…
the “ null hypotheses “ and should be noted that
the
null hypotheses I never proved or established,
but
possibly disproved, in the course of
experimentation.
Every experiment may be said to exist only in
order
to give the facts a chance of disapproving the
null
hypotheses. ***
Ronald A. Fisher, The Design of Experiments, 8th
ed.
,Ne York, Hafner Publishing Company Inc. 1966,
17.

Luis Amaral Afonso [The Moderator Destroyer]

Fisher not only never accepted a null hypothesis,
he also never accepted the alternative hypothesis.
He also never rejected the null hypothesis. The
reason is that under his framework, the alternative
hypothesis did not exist. It took Neyman and Pearson
to introduce the concept of an alternative
hypothesis, along with type II errors and criteria
for choosing optimal tests.

Once an alternative hypothesis is mentioned, it
takes it outside the Fisher framework of tests of
significance and into the NP framework of hypothesis
testing.

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My response

ARE YOU SAYING Jack Tomsky THAT Bower and Colton DID
FALSIFY the Fisher
´s STATMENT? ARE YOU SAYING THAT?
If it´s a your invention more you are completly
PARANOIC.
Readers: those that can to access to the Fisher´s
text-book
PLEASE say what is gOING ON!!!!!
PLEASE!!!

Luis Amaral Afonso

On 11 Jul, 00:08, Jack Tomsky <jtom... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:





A  * Titans * Fight III : Jack Tomky versus R A.
Fisher

Readers, take into account

***********************
www.minitab.com
/resources/Articles/WhyWeDontAccept.pdf

Why We Don´t “ Accept “ the Null Hypotheses
K.M.Bower, J.A.Colton

(Excerpt)… Ronald A. Fisher succinctly discusses the
key point
*** In relation to ay experiment we may speak of …
the “ null hypotheses “ and should be noted that the
null hypotheses I never proved or established, but
possibly disproved, in the course of experimentation.
Every experiment may be said to exist only in order
to give the facts a chance of disapproving the null
hypotheses. ***
Ronald A. Fisher, The Design of Experiments, 8th ed.
,Ne York, Hafner Publishing Company Inc. 1966, 17.

Luis Amaral Afonso [The Moderator Destroyer]

Fisher not only never accepted a null hypothesis, he also never accepted the alternative hypothesis.  He also never rejected the null hypothesis..  The reason is that under his framework, the alternative hypothesis did not exist.  It took Neyman and Pearson to introduce the concept of an alternative hypothesis, along with type II errors and criteria for choosing optimal tests.

Once an alternative hypothesis is mentioned, it takes it outside the Fisher framework of tests of significance and into the NP framework of hypothesis testing.

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My response

ARE YOU SAYING Jack Tomsky THAT Bower and Colton DID FALSIFY the Fisher
´s STATMENT? ARE YOU SAYING THAT?
If it´s a your invention more you are completly PARANOIC.
Readers: those that can to access to the Fisher´s text-book
PLEASE say what is gOING ON!!!!!
PLEASE!!!

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On 11 Jul, 00:08, Jack Tomsky <jtom... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com
wrote:
A  * Titans * Fight III : Jack Tomky versus R A.
Fisher

Readers, take into account

***********************
www.minitab.com
/resources/Articles/WhyWeDontAccept.pdf

Why We Don´t “ Accept “ the Null Hypotheses
K.M.Bower, J.A.Colton

(Excerpt)… Ronald A. Fisher succinctly discusses
the
key point
*** In relation to ay experiment we may speak of
…
the “ null hypotheses “ and should be noted that
the
null hypotheses I never proved or established,
but
possibly disproved, in the course of
experimentation.
Every experiment may be said to exist only in
order
to give the facts a chance of disapproving the
null
hypotheses. ***
Ronald A. Fisher, The Design of Experiments, 8th
ed.
,Ne York, Hafner Publishing Company Inc. 1966,
17.

Luis Amaral Afonso [The Moderator Destroyer]

Fisher not only never accepted a null hypothesis,
he also never accepted the alternative hypothesis.
 He also never rejected the null hypothesis.  The
reason is that under his framework, the alternative
hypothesis did not exist.  It took Neyman and Pearson
to introduce the concept of an alternative
hypothesis, along with type II errors and criteria
for choosing optimal tests.

Once an alternative hypothesis is mentioned, it
takes it outside the Fisher framework of tests of
significance and into the NP framework of hypothesis
testing.

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My response

ARE YOU SAYING Jack Tomsky THAT Bower and Colton DID
FALSIFY the Fisher
´s STATMENT? ARE YOU SAYING THAT?
If it´s a your invention more you are completly
PARANOIC.
Readers: those that can to access to the Fisher´s
text-book
PLEASE say what is gOING ON!!!!!
PLEASE!!!

Luis Amaral Afonso

Afonso, can you find a case in Fisher's book in which Fisher applied his test of significance where he had an alternative hypothesis?  

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On 11 Jul, 00:51, "lic... at (no spam) hotmail.com"
lic... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On 11 Jul, 00:08, Jack Tomsky
jtom... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:





A * Titans * Fight III : Jack Tomky versus R
A.
Fisher

Readers, take into account

***********************
www.minitab.com
/resources/Articles/WhyWeDontAccept.pdf

Why We Don´t “ Accept “ the Null Hypotheses
K.M.Bower, J.A.Colton

(Excerpt)… Ronald A. Fisher succinctly
discusses the
key point
*** In relation to ay experiment we may speak
of …
the “ null hypotheses “ and should be noted
that the
null hypotheses I never proved or established,
but
possibly disproved, in the course of
experimentation.
Every experiment may be said to exist only in
order
to give the facts a chance of disapproving the
null
hypotheses. ***
Ronald A. Fisher, The Design of Experiments,
8th ed.
,Ne York, Hafner Publishing Company Inc. 1966,
17.

Luis Amaral Afonso [The Moderator Destroyer]

Fisher not only never accepted a null hypothesis,
he also never accepted the alternative hypothesis.
He also never rejected the null hypothesis. The
reason is that under his framework, the alternative
hypothesis did not exist. It took Neyman and Pearson
to introduce the concept of an alternative
hypothesis, along with type II errors and criteria
for choosing optimal tests.

Once an alternative hypothesis is mentioned, it
takes it outside the Fisher framework of tests of
significance and into the NP framework of hypothesis
testing.

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My response

ARE YOU SAYING Jack Tomsky THAT Bower and Colton
DID FALSIFY the Fisher
´s STATMENT? ARE YOU SAYING THAT?
If it´s a your invention more you are completly
PARANOIC.
Readers: those that can to access to the Fisher´s
text-book
PLEASE say what is gOING ON!!!!!
PLEASE!!!

Luis Amaral Afonso- Ocultar texto citado -

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I do not brlieve in Jack Tomsky , furthermore is
quite simple to
check if the K.M.Bower, J.A.Colton Excerpt is
correct ,
Who is the Reader available to do this?
Thanks in advance.
___Luis

Time arrived Jack Tomsky switch his condition of
Reader to that of a TEACHER. And because I’m (we the
Readers are) anger to learn a so odd way (considering
the usual one) I have yet two questions to ask:
__1__Is the property under discussion (the Null
Hypotheses considered true, then acceptable) a
general one or, alternatively, are there cases in
which it not follows?

__2__What is the Theoretical basis (principle,
theorems, and lemmas, whatever) leading Jack Tomsky
to state a so strange result as * the Null Hypotheses
can be proved true, then acceptable).

I anxiously expect your news, Jack Tomsky.

Luis

Wormtomsky said:

*** The null hypothesis is accepted if and only if
the sample lies in the acceptance region.***

ABSOLUTELY WRONG: being the so-called *** acceptance
region *** a finite interval and H0 given by a point
in this interval it is absolutely impossible to
accept the null hypotheses. Those that claim it is
possible are completely ignorant what the null
hypotheses means: a constant ascribed to a parameter.
IMPOSSIBLE AN INTERVAL to shrike TO A POINT.

Then, Wormtomsky, find out other reason, this one is
unbelievably, paragraph.

What you should say (not to be ridiculous by the
ignorance on hi point) is simply that you hve not
sufficient evidence (in face of the data, and
measured by the significance level) to TEJECT THE
NULL HYPOTHESES.
THIS IS WHAT ALL STATISTICIANS SAY, are the Stanford
University ex-students exception, or their Ph. D´s
and Teachers steadily does produce a multitude of
imbeciles?

Wormtomsky said:

*** The null hypothesis is not a point in the
acceptance region. The null hypothesis describes a
subset of the parameter space. The acceptance region
is a subset of the sample space. As long as the
sample is in the acceptance region, the null
hypothesis is accepted.***

WHAT A MESH!!!
__1__The null hypotheses DOESN´t describes a subset
in the parameters space. WHERE YOU FOUND THIS?
__2__The acceptance region a subset of the sample
space? IMBECILITY . You do not know what the Sample
Space is!!! The sample space is the set of all
possible samples drawn from the Universe(s) in test.
They do not have directly anything to do with the
acceptance region !!! They merely include all
possible samples independently what one will do with
them!!!
Your statement
*** The acceptance region is a subset of the sample
space.*** worth to be included in a NON SENSE
ENCYCLOPEDIA.
__3__When you put (two-tails hypotheses test) H0: p=0
you
__or try to find if the parameter p is equal to 0, ,
which is you thesis, and are unable o prove so
__or the true Statisticians will find out if the data
is so that we cannot (scientific doubt) state it is
not compatible with H0, case in which we say that
there is no sufficient evidence to reject H0. The
state of the Universe change (if so) was so slightly
that one couldn’t realize that change. Could it
remain unchanged? Of course yes, but WE ARE UNABLE TO
SAY IF IT´S TRUE OR NOT TRUE:
In Science on is not allowed to peremptory state
things that are dubious. In Statistics all statements
issued from random sampling are liable to be wrong.
C´est la Vie!



Luis Amaral Afonso [The moderator destroyer]

WHAT A MESH!!!
__1__The null hypotheses DOESN´t describes a subset
in the parameters space. WHERE YOU FOUND THIS?