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| Kadaitcha Man... |
 Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:03 pm |
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"I'm making hydroge.... " (gurgle gasp clunk)
DANGER! Do not try this at home. Breathing the
resulting gases can be fatal.
Many environmentalists claim that adding salt to water
"speeds" or "catalyzes" the electrolysis of water, to produce
hydrogen and oxygen with less energy. It does not speed the
reaction. It CHANGES the chemical reaction.
The original chemical reaction produced by an electric
current in pure water (with a sulfuric acid electrolyte added for
conductivity) is:
2 H2O + energy -> 2 H2 + O2
The hydrogen gas bubbles out of the water at the negative
electrode, and the oxygen gas bubbles out at the positive
electrode.
But when salt is added to the water, a completely different
chemical reaction takes place. The current takes apart the salt
with the water, producing different substances as products of the
reaction:
2 H2O + 2 NaCl + energy -> H2 + Cl2 + 2 NaOH
Instead of totally taking the water molecule apart, the
electricity finds it easier to take the salt apart, and then use
that to take one hydrogen atom out of the water. So, instead of
making breathable oxygen gas, it produces poisonous chlorine gas.
Chlorine is the gas the Germans used in World War I to kill enemy
soldiers, by burning their lungs.
The hydrogen gas bubbles out of the water at the negative
electrode, and the chlorine gas bubbles out at the positive
electrode. The sodium hydroxide left in the tank is a poison too.
If you pour it concentrated down the drain, it might eat the
drainpipe. (In diluted form, it is drain cleaner.)
Anyone trying to make large volumes of hydrogen could end
up poisoning himself and others.
Also note that only HALF of the hydrogen emerges as gas
when salt is added. The rest is locked up in the sodium
hydroxide.
The proper electrolyte to use for electrolysis of water
must take apart only the water. This means that it must meet
these specifications:
1.. It must not chemically change to produce a gas.
2.. It must not chemically change to produce a
precipitate.
3.. It must not be used up in the process.
4.. It must dissolve in water to produce charge carrier
ions.
5.. It must not oxidize.
6.. It must cause water to dissociate.
The usual electrolyte that meets these criteria is sulfuric
acid.
Learn more at:
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| marika... |
| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:37 pm |
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"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:AfWdnfhDebfGcunVnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d at (no spam) posted.toastnet...
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But when salt is added to the water, a completely different
chemical reaction takes place. The current takes apart the salt
with the water, producing different substances as products of the
reaction:
Have you considered adding chlorine to it? I hear that really speeds down
global warming
mk5000
"the book was placed on a high shelf in a den, as though it were the only
copy in the world and if the children didn't find it they would be forever
unaware of the sexual lives of their parents, forever ignorant of the press
of the hot skin, the overlapping voices, the stir and scrape of the brass
headboard as it lightly battered the plaster, creating twin finial shaped
depressions over the years in the wall of the bedroom in which parents
slept, or didn't sleep, depending on the night"--"the Position". Meg
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| Kadaitcha Man... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:22 am |
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"marika" <marika5000 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:puSdnauoHL6e6-jVnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d at (no spam) rcn.net...
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"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
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news:AfWdnfhDebfGcunVnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d at (no spam) posted.toastnet...
But when salt is added to the water, a completely
different
chemical reaction takes place. The current takes apart the
salt
with the water, producing different substances as products of
the
reaction:
Have you considered adding chlorine to it? I hear that really
speeds down
global warming
mk5000
No pussy, I am afraid it will smell like a dead
fish.....Heehee......Donchaknow? |
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| marika... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:07 pm |
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"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:y5ydnVyJwIYQAejVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.toastnet...
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No pussy, I am afraid it will smell like a dead
fish.....Heehee......Donchaknow?
salt and bleach are both preservatives
you think you'd never heard of lutfiske
mk5000
perhaps in very particular circumstances emotional truth can shine only
through the curtain of farce"---"serve the people" yan lianke |
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| Kadaitcha Man... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:03 am |
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"marika" <marika5000 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:itednbDqUuHrL-vVnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d at (no spam) rcn.net...
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"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
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news:y5ydnVyJwIYQAejVnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.toastnet...
No pussy, I am afraid it will smell like a dead
fish.....Heehee......Donchaknow?
salt and bleach are both preservatives
you think you'd never heard of lutfiske
mk5000
HEY Pussy, we're talking about Electrolysis, putting salt ON IT
is deadly as fish. We're not talking about preserving foods, OK
smelly pussy? |
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| marika... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:33 pm |
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"Kadaitcha Man" <nospam.nospam.nospam at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:iZGdndkTA5IydOvVnZ2dnUVZ_h7inZ2d at (no spam) posted.toastnet...
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salt and bleach are both preservatives
you think you'd never heard of lutfiske
mk5000
HEY Pussy, we're talking about Electrolysis, putting salt ON IT
is deadly as fish. We're not talking about preserving foods, OK
smelly pussy?
the herring they use in lutefisk has these really fine bones that are like
hair, do you think your electrolysis process will work to help remove them
before we eat the LF?
doncha know heee heeee
Jest thought you would like this shocking joke!
o but the way, there's no "we're" except me and you.
O sure you keep reposting the same lame hydrogen generator troll bait post
in seh, and keep trying to recrosspost it to a bunch of groups hoping for
bites, but there's no "we're talking" when it's just you pumping out the
same post over and over and over.
how's the brain tumor btw? recover from it recently? or are you still dead?
mk5000
http://www.pmsimon.com/archives/2006_02.html#001293 |
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