And finally, when cruising down the freeway, the gas engine can engage
purely, as this is the most efficient operating regime...

Eeyore wrote:
hhc314 at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

Graham, would you explain the difference in configurations between a
"parallel" and a "series" hybrid? You have me confused here, every
though I am familiar with the difference between large UPS systems
where their is a considerable difference between a parallel and a
series configuration. Still, these have an external energy source, so
how does this operate in a vehicle lacking an external energy source?

Serious question. Please answer the question, and not simply link to
a website.

Pretty simple.

In a parallel hydrid the wheels are driven by both the ICE and the
electric motor when full power is needed through some combining
gearbox or whatever.

In a series hybrid the wheels are driven by electric motors only.
When the battery gets low, the ICE turns on to recharge it but has no
physical connection to the wheels.

I hate to say this but I must.
..
Perfect explanation Eeyore.

Spaceman wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
hhc314 at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

Graham, would you explain the difference in configurations between a
"parallel" and a "series" hybrid? You have me confused here, every
though I am familiar with the difference between large UPS systems
where their is a considerable difference between a parallel and a
series configuration. Still, these have an external energy source, so
how does this operate in a vehicle lacking an external energy source?

Serious question. Please answer the question, and not simply link to
a website.
Pretty simple.

In a parallel hydrid the wheels are driven by both the ICE and the
electric motor when full power is needed through some combining
gearbox or whatever.

In a series hybrid the wheels are driven by electric motors only.
When the battery gets low, the ICE turns on to recharge it but has no
physical connection to the wheels.

I hate to say this but I must.
..
Perfect explanation Eeyore.

(I'm not responding to spacebrains.)

But what the explanation lacks is that the electrical source of power
has to be fully optimized at acceleration. Not so in the case of a
parallel hybrid. When you share resources you actually reduce
infrastructure. And that is why they make them.

If the series is really way ahead, someone needs to cite a study.

Spaceman wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
hhc314 at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

Graham, would you explain the difference in configurations between a
"parallel" and a "series" hybrid? You have me confused here, every
though I am familiar with the difference between large UPS systems
where their is a considerable difference between a parallel and a
series configuration. Still, these have an external energy source, so
how does this operate in a vehicle lacking an external energy source?

Serious question. Please answer the question, and not simply link to
a website.
Pretty simple.

In a parallel hydrid the wheels are driven by both the ICE and the
electric motor when full power is needed through some combining
gearbox or whatever.

In a series hybrid the wheels are driven by electric motors only.
When the battery gets low, the ICE turns on to recharge it but has no
physical connection to the wheels.
I hate to say this but I must.
..
Perfect explanation Eeyore.
:)

You're very welcome. It left out all the fiddly details but I always reckon
simple initial answers are the best ones.

Graham

First, you have to recognize the difference between "hunker" and "mosey".

Eeyore wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
hhc314 at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

Graham, would you explain the difference in configurations between a
"parallel" and a "series" hybrid? You have me confused here, every
though I am familiar with the difference between large UPS systems
where their is a considerable difference between a parallel and a
series configuration. Still, these have an external energy source, so
how does this operate in a vehicle lacking an external energy source?

Serious question. Please answer the question, and not simply link to
a website.
Pretty simple.

In a parallel hydrid the wheels are driven by both the ICE and the
electric motor when full power is needed through some combining
gearbox or whatever.

In a series hybrid the wheels are driven by electric motors only.
When the battery gets low, the ICE turns on to recharge it but has no
physical connection to the wheels.
I hate to say this but I must.
..
Perfect explanation Eeyore.
:)

You're very welcome. It left out all the fiddly details but I always reckon
simple initial answers are the best ones.

Graham

First, you have to recognize the difference between "hunker" and "mosey".

Spaceman wrote:

Show the math that proves removing hp from an engine
can produce more energy than what was taken out.

It doesn't.

(In short show how a hybrid does what you say can not be done
with a hydrogen creation process.)

That's not what a hybrid does.

Eeyore wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
dennis at (no spam) home wrote:

You show me a system that defies the math.

Hybrids already do it.

WRONG !

They take away hp and create hp from
such.

WRONG !

BIZZARELY WRONG.

So electric motors and the batteries that run them don't produce hp also?
You are the bizzarely wrong in that fact.
You like to prove you are not an actual enginneer
as many times a day as possible huh?

dennis at (no spam) home wrote:
"Spaceman" <spaceman at (no spam) yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote in message
news:CYidnUEwYpdyA_PVnZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d at (no spam) comcast.com...
dennis at (no spam) home wrote:
Its your limit, show me anything maths and physics can't explain
that you can.
Oh no back to your stupid arguments again.

Show the math that proves removing hp from an engine
can produce more energy than what was taken out.
(In short show how a hybrid does what you say can not be done
with a hydrogen creation process.)
:)

I explained it before now you show the math.
:)



I explained it before, you fail to understand.

You have done no such thing.
You have only insulted upon insult and nothing more yet.


When you design a system that doesn't only use the petrol engine to
provide the motive power and add in the same elements as a hybrid
come back and talk about it.
Don't think you have a hybrid just because you put hydrogen and
petrol in the engine.

PS it still wont work even though a hybrid might.
I suggest you learn what a hybrid is.

LOL
I know plenty about hybrids, I also know
your thoughts on HP loss are proven wrong by hybrids.

I suggest you learn what a hybrid is.

"dennis at (no spam) home" wrote:

I suggest you learn what a hybrid is.

He seems to have some mixed up ideas about this.

Spaceman wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
dennis at (no spam) home wrote:
That is conservation of energy.
No it isn't its conservation of fuel.
Fuel isn't energy until it's burnt.

You're leaving out the time element. This is critical. Same thing with
energy and power.
I am not leaving out time at all.
The fuel is burned and "more energy than normally produced
by the engine " is taken out to create a hybrid extra mileage.
:)

Which fuel and where's your proof it's more efficient ?

Graham

Spaceman wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
dennis at (no spam) home wrote:

That is conservation of energy.

No it isn't its conservation of fuel.

Fuel isn't energy until it's burnt.

You're leaving out the time element. This is critical. Same thing
with energy and power.

I am not leaving out time at all.
The fuel is burned and "more energy than normally produced
by the engine " is taken out to create a hybrid extra mileage.
:)

Which fuel and where's your proof it's more efficient ?

Spaceman wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Spaceman wrote:
dennis at (no spam) home wrote:

You show me a system that defies the math.

Hybrids already do it.

WRONG !

They take away hp and create hp from
such.

WRONG !

BIZZARELY WRONG.

So electric motors and the batteries that run them don't produce hp
also? You are the bizzarely wrong in that fact.
You like to prove you are not an actual enginneer
as many times a day as possible huh?

It's the regime in which they are operated that creates extra
efficiency, i.e. by being clever in their use. ICEs and electric
motors operate at different relative efficiencies in different modes.
of operation.

There is no relationship to how a hybrid works and what you want to
do. If you think there is then it is you that is wrong.
I suggest you learn what a hybrid is.

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"dennis at (no spam) home" wrote:

I suggest you learn what a hybrid is.

He seems to have some mixed up ideas about this.

He hasn't even worked out that they have two or more "engines" in
them to work under different conditions yet.

He may as well say a centurion tank was a hybrid as its engine could
run on petrol, fuel oil or even a coal emulsion.