Hello everyone.  As you all know, there are basically two active threads
concerning NTI related issues.

It seems to me that the discussion needs more direction; possibly with a
few subject lines to focus on various issues.

What are your thoughts on developing a more useful *series of threads*;  
focusing on the separate concerns as expressed in "NTI failure
continued" and "NTI continued", and perhaps one that brings them all
together in summary?

Webby

On Jun 24, 10:16 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:

Hello everyone.  As you all know, there are basically two active threads
concerning NTI related issues.

It seems to me that the discussion needs more direction; possibly with a
few subject lines to focus on various issues.

What are your thoughts on developing a more useful *series of threads*;  
focusing on the separate concerns as expressed in "NTI failure
continued" and "NTI continued", and perhaps one that brings them all
together in summary?

Webby

I believe the summary would be something like it didnt work for me. 43
days into NTI,and
im no better during the day. maybe it helps me sleep better, but
beyond that im in the same condition.

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d2d5aa90-faca-4152-b375-0113ed7f1... at (no spam) p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,



 jerm <blown... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 10:16 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Hello everyone.  As you all know, there are basically two active threads
concerning NTI related issues.

It seems to me that the discussion needs more direction; possibly with a
few subject lines to focus on various issues.

What are your thoughts on developing a more useful *series of threads*;  
focusing on the separate concerns as expressed in "NTI failure
continued" and "NTI continued", and perhaps one that brings them all
together in summary?

Webby

I believe the summary would be something like it didnt work for me. 43
days into NTI,and
im no better during the day. maybe it helps me sleep better, but
beyond that im in the same condition.

Okay... for example, one concern with two counterpoints.

Subject: Using an NTI: Reasonable and unreasonable expectations

1. The value of reasonable expectations

2. The risks of unreasonable expectations

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68303718-3347-4e09-8500-a7eb55461... at (no spam) q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,



 jerm <blown... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 5:20 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
In article
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 jerm <blown... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 10:16 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Hello everyone.  As you all know, there are basically two active
threads
concerning NTI related issues.

It seems to me that the discussion needs more direction; possibly with
a
few subject lines to focus on various issues.

What are your thoughts on developing a more useful *series of threads*;
 
focusing on the separate concerns as expressed in "NTI failure
continued" and "NTI continued", and perhaps one that brings them all
together in summary?

Webby

I believe the summary would be something like it didnt work for me. 43
days into NTI,and
im no better during the day. maybe it helps me sleep better, but
beyond that im in the same condition.

Okay... for example, one concern with two counterpoints.

Subject: Using an NTI: Reasonable and unreasonable expectations

1. The value of reasonable expectations

2. The risks of unreasonable expectations

I dont know if my expectations of pain relief were unreasonable or
reasonable,but i've had little or none as of yet.

Thanks for trying to help Webby.  I suppose I'll be disappearing, that
seems to be what doctors and dentists wish I'd do
anyways. Take care.

No... no one wants that.  Here's my idea:  let me post a new subject
"Using an NTI: Reasonable and unreasonable expectations

Then, read my post.  Let's hope for others who are actively posting here
to add their thoughts.  The point of the subject is to learn what is
involved in creating reasonable expectations in one's patients and the
importance of this in the patient.

On counterpoint, we can develop the discussion to explain why that is
important and what happens when patients have either unreasonable
expectations.

Let's give it a try.  (I have to come back to this in a couple hours
though.)

Webby

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tmjiatroepidemic-04B51A.18240625062... at (no spam) news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
 The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
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Sure, but what im experiencing here is reminiscent of all the doctors
ive seen thus far, when
the specific treatment fails, abandonment by the physician follows.

Well, let's just say I know more about that than you care to know.  So,
don't give in to that nonsense.  

Webby

Before I invest a lot of time into this though, jerm, are you willing to
try to learn some patient-skills from this?  Because, honestly, I'm not
giving up on you.  But are you giving up on you?  

Learning the value of "expectations" is a very important element of a
partnership between patient and doctor.  So ... let me/us know what
you're willing to do first.  Then, we can decide how to go from there.  
Okay?

Webby

On Jun 24, 10:16 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Hello everyone.  As you all know, there are basically two active threads
concerning NTI related issues.

It seems to me that the discussion needs more direction; possibly with a
few subject lines to focus on various issues.

What are your thoughts on developing a more useful *series of threads*;  
focusing on the separate concerns as expressed in "NTI failure
continued" and "NTI continued", and perhaps one that brings them all
together in summary?

Webby

I believe the summary would be something like it didnt work for me. 43
days into NTI,and
im no better during the day. maybe it helps me sleep better, but
beyond that im in the same condition.

On Jun 25, 5:20 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
In article
d2d5aa90-faca-4152-b375-0113ed7f1... at (no spam) p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,



 jerm <blown... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 10:16 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Hello everyone.  As you all know, there are basically two active
threads
concerning NTI related issues.

It seems to me that the discussion needs more direction; possibly with
a
few subject lines to focus on various issues.

What are your thoughts on developing a more useful *series of threads*;
 
focusing on the separate concerns as expressed in "NTI failure
continued" and "NTI continued", and perhaps one that brings them all
together in summary?

Webby

I believe the summary would be something like it didnt work for me. 43
days into NTI,and
im no better during the day. maybe it helps me sleep better, but
beyond that im in the same condition.

Okay... for example, one concern with two counterpoints.

Subject: Using an NTI: Reasonable and unreasonable expectations

1. The value of reasonable expectations

2. The risks of unreasonable expectations

I dont know if my expectations of pain relief were unreasonable or
reasonable,but i've had little or none as of yet.

Thanks for trying to help Webby. I suppose I'll be disappearing, that
seems to be what doctors and dentists wish I'd do
anyways. Take care.

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68303718-3347-4e09-8500-a7eb55461ed0 at (no spam) q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
jerm <blownout at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On Jun 25, 5:20 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
In article
d2d5aa90-faca-4152-b375-0113ed7f1... at (no spam) p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,



 jerm <blown... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 10:16 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Hello everyone.  As you all know, there are basically two active
threads
concerning NTI related issues.

It seems to me that the discussion needs more direction; possibly
with
a
few subject lines to focus on various issues.

What are your thoughts on developing a more useful *series of
threads*;
 
focusing on the separate concerns as expressed in "NTI failure
continued" and "NTI continued", and perhaps one that brings them all
together in summary?

Webby

I believe the summary would be something like it didnt work for me. 43
days into NTI,and
im no better during the day. maybe it helps me sleep better, but
beyond that im in the same condition.

Okay... for example, one concern with two counterpoints.

Subject: Using an NTI: Reasonable and unreasonable expectations

1. The value of reasonable expectations

2. The risks of unreasonable expectations

I dont know if my expectations of pain relief were unreasonable or
reasonable,but i've had little or none as of yet.

Thanks for trying to help Webby. I suppose I'll be disappearing, that
seems to be what doctors and dentists wish I'd do
anyways. Take care.

No... no one wants that. Here's my idea: let me post a new subject
"Using an NTI: Reasonable and unreasonable expectations

Then, read my post. Let's hope for others who are actively posting here
to add their thoughts. The point of the subject is to learn what is
involved in creating reasonable expectations in one's patients and the
importance of this in the patient.

On counterpoint, we can develop the discussion to explain why that is
important and what happens when patients have either unreasonable
expectations.

Let's give it a try. (I have to come back to this in a couple hours
though.)

Webby

On Jun 25, 6:12 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
In article
68303718-3347-4e09-8500-a7eb55461... at (no spam) q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,



 jerm <blown... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 5:20 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
In article
d2d5aa90-faca-4152-b375-0113ed7f1... at (no spam) p39g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,

 jerm <blown... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 10:16 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
Hello everyone.  As you all know, there are basically two active
threads
concerning NTI related issues.

It seems to me that the discussion needs more direction; possibly
with
a
few subject lines to focus on various issues.

What are your thoughts on developing a more useful *series of
threads*;
 
focusing on the separate concerns as expressed in "NTI failure
continued" and "NTI continued", and perhaps one that brings them
all
together in summary?

Webby

I believe the summary would be something like it didnt work for me.
43
days into NTI,and
im no better during the day. maybe it helps me sleep better, but
beyond that im in the same condition.

Okay... for example, one concern with two counterpoints.

Subject: Using an NTI: Reasonable and unreasonable expectations

1. The value of reasonable expectations

2. The risks of unreasonable expectations

I dont know if my expectations of pain relief were unreasonable or
reasonable,but i've had little or none as of yet.

Thanks for trying to help Webby.  I suppose I'll be disappearing, that
seems to be what doctors and dentists wish I'd do
anyways. Take care.

No... no one wants that.  Here's my idea:  let me post a new subject
"Using an NTI: Reasonable and unreasonable expectations

Then, read my post.  Let's hope for others who are actively posting here
to add their thoughts.  The point of the subject is to learn what is
involved in creating reasonable expectations in one's patients and the
importance of this in the patient.

On counterpoint, we can develop the discussion to explain why that is
important and what happens when patients have either unreasonable
expectations.

Let's give it a try.  (I have to come back to this in a couple hours
though.)

Webby

Sure, but what im experiencing here is reminiscent of all the doctors
ive seen thus far, when
the specific treatment fails, abandonment by the physician follows.

Sure, but what im experiencing here is reminiscent of all the doctors
ive seen thus far, when
the specific treatment fails, abandonment by the physician follows.

Well, let's just say I know more about that than you care to know. So,
don't give in to that nonsense.

Webby

On Jun 25, 6:39 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
In article
tmjiatroepidemic-04B51A.18240625062... at (no spam) news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
 The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
[cut]



Sure, but what im experiencing here is reminiscent of all the doctors
ive seen thus far, when
the specific treatment fails, abandonment by the physician follows.

Well, let's just say I know more about that than you care to know.  So,
don't give in to that nonsense.  

Webby

Before I invest a lot of time into this though, jerm, are you willing to
try to learn some patient-skills from this?  Because, honestly, I'm not
giving up on you.  But are you giving up on you?  

Learning the value of "expectations" is a very important element of a
partnership between patient and doctor.  So ... let me/us know what
you're willing to do first.  Then, we can decide how to go from there.  
Okay?

Webby

That sounds good, i just dont know how much im going to gain from the
rest of
the board,who are going to have a tough time believing im actually in
more pain now than before.

i just dont know how much im going to gain from the

rest of
the board

"The rest of the board" cannot see you or treat you.  We can only relate
our experience with 'similar' cases, and cut through a few myths that
are still propagated.

You have a lot to do with your condition.  The NTI helps reduce stress
on the TMJ and related structures.  It will not cure the cause of your
body trying to damage itself.

Whether it is hypnosis, yoga, zen, botox, or whatever, you have to own
your situation and make it better.  No one can do that for you.

Quitters never win.

D

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tmjiatroepidemic-365840.08331626062... at (no spam) news.phx.highwinds-media.com>,
 The Webby <tmjiatroepide... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:

"They" used to say, "TMJ" people don't want to get well; they just want
to prove that they can't.  Well, I'm wondering if much of anything has
really changed over all these years.

I know things have changed.  I shouldn't have written that.  But there
seems to be a whole new crop of people who keep the old attitudes alive
and thriving.  

Webby

i just dont know how much im going to gain from the

rest of
the board

"The rest of the board" cannot see you or treat you.  We can only relate
our experience with 'similar' cases, and cut through a few myths that
are still propagated.

You have a lot to do with your condition.  The NTI helps reduce stress
on the TMJ and related structures.  It will not cure the cause of your
body trying to damage itself.

Whether it is hypnosis, yoga, zen, botox, or whatever, you have to own
your situation and make it better.  No one can do that for you.

Quitters never win.

D