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Susan Mitchell...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:25 pm
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No one person does it alone and this country will not go anywhere if we as
citizens do not get up and do our part. Pitch in locally, nationally and
globally. We have all set on the sidelines too long. It was true when
Kennedy went into office and said we need to do for our country and it is
even more so today. That in a way is Obama's message. We need to work
together to make it better, not sit passively and say "You fix it". I
actually had a woman say that to me once. Well, I'm not doing my part, you
can do it for me. I just told her that is what is wrong with this country --
you only look to save a buck for yourself, don't care about the future for
your children and grandchildren or mine. The damage is done, McCain will
make it worse -- I believe Obama will make it better.

Kathy, my comment is directed at those that fear his lack of Washington
history -- he doesn't need it in my book, but he'll have it if he does
anyway. But whatever they advise, he will have a fresh approach to their
suggestions.

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Jan, I know how you feel, so no flaming from me.

I would like to think Senator Obama means everything he's been saying,
but I've been voting in too many Presidential races to believe
anyone's campaign promises. All we can do as citizens is mark the
box, pull the lever, or whatever way we are given to vote for one of
the two candidates.

After that, just sit back and hope our country survives the next four
years under the winner. If you're religious, probably a little prayer
now and then wouldn't hurt either!

Judity
Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:09 pm
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Susan Mitchell wrote:
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I like the fact that he is not a veteran Washington insider, this in my
opinion is a good thing. Look what insiders have done to this country.

Jimmy Carter also claimed this as an advantage, but it proved to be a
large part of his downfall.
Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply...
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:10 pm
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Anne V. wrote:

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There's just no
way I could in any way, shape, or form vote to continue the same policies
we've been living under for the last 2 terms. I've never felt so helpless
and angry in all my life as this administration has made me feel! I can't
tell you how many times I've wanted to scream to the world, "They don't
represent ME!!!!"


That is exactly how I felt after 8 years of Clinton.
Judity...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:05 am
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((There is always the write-in vote and there is still a movement
afoot for
Ron Paul. ))

Phyllis, I've wanted Ron Paul to stay in from the get-go! I like his
POV on many subjects and will vote for him if he's still on the
California ballot.

Judity
Phyllis Nilsson...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:16 am
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There is always the write-in vote and there is still a movement afoot for
Ron Paul. Whether your candidate gets in or not, you can still vote and
have the right to complain.


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RaeMorrill Wrote:

As far as Hillary, my mom commented to me that she didn't like her, but
she did have to allow that she had really worked hard. I guess I will be
voting for Obama, because I won't be voting for McCain.

I've always been the first way to shout it to the roof tops that if you
don't vote then you don't have a right to complain. Afraid I am going
to have to eat my words this election. I've always been an independent
and could usually find something about someone who was running for
office that I liked. Not this year. I can honestly say (unfortunately)
that there is not one candidate that I trust or like enough to vote for.
Unless something magic really happens between now and November this is
one gal who will be setting home on election day because I think we are
in deep do-do - no matter who wins.

Now - I've said my piece, but please don't flame me - I get my feelings
hurt too easily - LOL.


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Mary R...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:27 am
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Blupencl Wrote:
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This is the only time in my life I have been so confused about an
election. I feel as if I have no vote!
It occurred to me after digesting this thread for a day or so that

perhaps you haven't given Obama a chance (?) Maybe you perceive him as
that lousy young'en who took Hillary down when it was her turn. There
are women in their 80's who feel that Obama usurped their only chance to
see a woman President in their lifetime, and this may well be true.

I think that if you are a true democrat as you say, maybe you can
listen to his theories and give him a chance to win you over, Blupencl,
it shouldn't be hard. The one thing truly to his credit is he never
trashed Hillary. He never unpacked any baggage since they left the white
house, which may be formidable baggage, given that they refused to
release information pertaining to their contributors to their library or
their foundation. Obama truly does seem to be a new type of politician
and if he can win without sleezy methods, primarily by registering and
turning out the young voters, as Rove did with the Evangelicals, we just
might be turning the page on the old sleezy politics of the past. One
can only hope.
Mary Rose


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Blupencl...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:49 am
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Mary Rose, I guess I'm left with no choice. But I'll admit, I'm mad
because he took down my candidate. LOL.

When the Clintons were here in Arkansas, I *always* said she would be
the first woman president. She is so brilliant. She even wrote me a
letter. Smile I just admire her very much.

But Obama it is. I'll have to just swallow it.


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Ann...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:47 pm
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I think it is as Judity said below...I think it has to do with your age,
being raised in the south where blacks have and, IMO, will always be
second-class citizens. It is hard to get out of your way of seeing people
when you were raised with it.



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The idea of Obama winning the presidency just gives me the freakin
willies. I really, really thought Hillary would win!

I have always known I am not prejudiced against him because he is of
mixed race. I know that he is not Muslim. He's a very accomplished
person. He's not a dummy by any means.

My family all came over yesterday. My brother and his wife are so
pro-Obama it is insane, just like I was pro-Clinton. We've really not
discussed it much because it's like gasoline and a match, and because
I'm not a political person. I can never really defend my feelings
because I don't know enough about it.

I know I am a Democrat. I am scared to death to have another Repub
administration in there. But I just went nuts when Clinton conceded. OMG
it was awful, I was so sad!

So I sat here and thought about it a lot. I think I am prejudiced
against him because he seems like a foreigner to me! Not because he is
brown, not because his wife is black, but because he doesn't seem like
an American. If his name were John Smith, I might not have such a
problem with it. It's because of his childhood and background.

I am so confused. I also think, for some insane reason, that he will
throw us white folk in the trash - which is just plain goofy. I don't
think the white bread white guys will throw black people in the trash, I
never think about it.

This is the only time in my life I have been so confused about an
election. I feel as if I have no vote!


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Blupencl...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:18 pm
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No, no, Ann. I am very, very sure it has nothing to do with his color,
as I said in my post. It's his furrenness. LOL. But he's it, so, sigh. I
will be voting for him.


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Phyllis Nilsson...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:32 pm
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If he isn't you can always ask for a write in vote. While I don't agree
with everything he says, I certainly would like to get a president into
office who believes what the Constitution says, and would lik the country to
return to it.

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((There is always the write-in vote and there is still a movement
afoot for
Ron Paul. ))

Phyllis, I've wanted Ron Paul to stay in from the get-go! I like his
POV on many subjects and will vote for him if he's still on the
California ballot.

Judity
RaeMorrill...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:41 pm
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The problem is some folks want to make the constitution say something it
doesn't. That scares the dickens out of me, especially related to what
they believe it says about church and state - completely off base.

Becky, when you say "furriner" do you mean his name? He has to be
American born to be president, right? Not that I have any faith left in
the election process. I just watched the HBO movie "Recount" last night
starring Kevin Spacey. I saw a blurb on its making today and they made
every effort to keep it accurate factually. If that's the case, the
Supreme Court stopped the recount, then they couldn't complete it on
time, and were not allowed to continue. Oh, and the ruling held only to
that election - something never made in a ruling before - assuming the
kept the facts straight. Laura Dern played a good Cruella Deville... Er
Katherine Harris.


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Judity...
Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:56 am
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As I said, one of my prejudices is about people who don't make the
most of educational benefits. That does NOT mean a person has to have
a degree of any type, just the desire to learn and better themselves
any way they can.

I see younger members of my own family who finished high school and
then stopped there. I'm not sure what type of education they got in
high school, but they sure don't know how to spell, use good English,
or know enough math to manage their money. How difficult would it
have been for at least two of them to take a class in financial
planning before having to declare bankruptcy? Some are working at
Wal*Mart as clerks when they could be taking classes in management to
make a higher salary. Don't tell me they're happy at this low-level
job when I hear them whining or asking me for money to help pay their
mortgages.

It's not that they aren't somewhat intelligent, if the some of the
genes from their mother are passed on to them. She received a full
Bausch and Lomb scholarship and never got less than a "B' all through
school. I was the dummy of the four of us girls with a "C" in high
school bookkeeping.

If education wasn't stressed in your family, that's all fine and
good. It was in mine, so that's where my prejudice against people
not willing to get an education of any kind probably comes from.

As I said earlier, we all probably have certain prejudices. This one
is mine!

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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:03 pm
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But a college degree is not the only road to furthering education or to
success in life.

Barb C.


Many people define "success" by degree of education and seem to be unable to
separate the two.


I got expelled from high school in the 10th grade, never went back, and
scored in the top 5% when I took my GED exam a couple of years later so that
I could enlist in the Navy.

When I took my Navy entrance exam, the guy grading the exams looked at my
score and asked me if I was interested in going to officer candidate school,
but I wasn't an American citizen at the time so that turned out to not be an
option.

Not saying any of this to brag, much:), and I do believe that a college
degree in the past could generally be counted on to provide a certain level
of education.

ed
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:41 pm
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Some people don't have the brain power to succeed in college, or they
are too middle class to afford college themselves or get a scholarship
to pay for it, or they have other issues keeping them from getting a
degree. That doesn't mean that they are lazy. College costs are
through the roof these days compared to what they used to be, and the
cost of living compared to wages paid to unskilled workers is much higher.

My dad was never lazy and he is not unintelligent, and he signed up for
ROTC to pay for college, but because he had never learned to study
because school was always a snap for him until his last year or two of
high school and he just barely graduated, he flunked out of college
after six weeks and went in the military. He never stopped reading,
took classes through USAFI, and learned a lot -- but he has no college
transcript.

Judity wrote:
Quote:

The excuse that education is expensive, too hard, or unavailable
doesn't cut any ice with me. Even though my parents said they'd pay
for any college education I wanted, I went the route of paying my own
way, often working two jobs or double shifts to pay for classes. If I
could do it back in the 1960's when women had to fight to get ahead, I
think some of these uneducated people now just are plain lazy and/or
filled with lame excuses.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 3:44 pm
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Anne V. wrote:
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Yeah, me too, except I suspect we both educated ourselves pretty well,
Kathy, probably better than some college graduates.

I have an associates degrees, which I got after I quit junior college
because I didn't know what to do, got married, went to Guam because my
husband was stationed there, then returned to California and finished my
associates. Then I enrolled in a commuter college taking 1-2 classes at
a time at night while working full-time, and I had to quit after about 2
years because my husband had to start working swing shift and that meant
there was no transportation for me to get home nights from the BART
station unless I wanted to pay a cab every night, which I couldn't
afford -- and the Bank had a good tuition reimbursement program, too.

I have already read voraciously, and I think that makes a big difference.
 
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