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Now what is the chemical that causes that burn-sensation in B&B or
Drambuie? And what is
the liquor with the best burn sensation all the way down to the
stomach?
If I were to guess, I would say it is a alkaline chemical such as "hot
peppers" with their
burn sensation. So is it the fermentation of some alkaline chemical in
peppers that is
added to liquors to give that burn sensation?
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:51 pm |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:18:32 -0700 (PDT),
plutonium.archimedes at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
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If I were to guess, I would say it is a alkaline chemical such as "hot
peppers" with their
burn sensation.
Which is not due to anything alkaline. Go look up capsaicin. It is an
interesting story.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:16 pm |
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Bob wrote:
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Yes. So what?
I don't know anything about the liquors. I was replying to your
comment about hot peppers. The "hot" of hot peppers is due to a
chemical called capsaicin, which is not an alkaloid; it does not have
a basic N. Why capsaicin is hot is well worked out, and a neat story.
If a simple capsaicin search isn�t so helpful, try
capsaicin receptor
And then you might also try
menthol receptor
for the same idea for coolness.
bob
Search for "capsaicin alkaloid" and here is one hit among 98,000 :
capsaicin – Dictionary Definition of capsaicin | Encyclopedia.com ....
capsaicin n. A bitter alkaloid present in capsicums, hot peppers, and
chillis that excites peripheral nerve endings of the trigeminal nerve
and causes ...
www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O87-capsaicin.html - 73k - Cached - Similar
pages - Note this
So, Bob, you must think the Encyclopedia is wrong also |
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| Bob... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:11 pm |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
plutonium.archimedes at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
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Bob wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:18:32 -0700 (PDT),
plutonium.archimedes at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
If I were to guess, I would say it is a alkaline chemical such as "hot
peppers" with their
burn sensation.
Which is not due to anything alkaline. Go look up capsaicin. It is an
interesting story.
bob
The definition of alkaloid--
--- Wikipedia ---
Alkaloid are naturally occurring chemical compounds containing basic
nitrogen atoms. The name derives from the word alkaline and was used
to describe any nitrogen-containing base.
--- end quote ---
Yes. So what?
I don't know anything about the liquors. I was replying to your
comment about hot peppers. The "hot" of hot peppers is due to a
chemical called capsaicin, which is not an alkaloid; it does not have
a basic N. Why capsaicin is hot is well worked out, and a neat story.
If a simple capsaicin search isn’t so helpful, try
capsaicin receptor
And then you might also try
menthol receptor
for the same idea for coolness.
bob |
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| Rusty Oxhide... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:53 am |
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I thought that Piperine WAS an alkaloid. French chemists first extracted
it from black pepper with "Milk of Lime". Hydrolysis of Piperine yielded
piperic acid and piperidine.
I thought that capsaicin was NOT an alkaloid. The piquant extract from
red pepper is called "Oleo resin Capsaicin." The abbreviation "ORC" is
found on labels of nonlethal chemical weapon pepper spray.
Alkaloids are a special group of nitrogen containing compounds extracted
from plants. Many alkaloids have poisonous and/or medicinal properties.
Morphine and nicotine are alkaloids from Opium and Tobacco,
respectively.
Caffeine is a mildly stimulating alkaloid found in coffee beans, kola
nuts, tea, guarana and yerba maté.
Coniine is a poisonous alkaloid found in Hemlock. A concoction of
Hemlock is the poison that killed Socrates.
Atropine is an alkaloid from the Deadly Nightshade plant. Although a
powerful poison, Atropine in small amounts can be used to save lives.
American soldiers carry Atropine onto the battlefield because it is an
antidote for nerve gas.
The important group of chemicals known as Alkaloids have had ancient and
now modern applications.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:13 am |
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Doesn't Scotch whiskey contain residual chemicals from the smoke of
burning peat?
Find a list of chemicals in smoke:
http://www.leffingwell.com/smoke.htm
There might be an olfactory/gustatory synergy of alcohol and specific
chemical(s) which intensifies/alters taste perception. The alcohol might
carry a chemical in a transdermal penetration of tissue of the throat
and mouth producing a burning sensation. A small amount of a specific
chemical might have a very subtle effect when perceived alone, as the
only flavor constituent. The alcohol having the greatest fraction of
total organic compounds in the mixture, spreads the taste perception of
a lesser chemical while contributing a burning sensation of it's own.
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| Bob... |
| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:59 am |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:16:59 -0700 (PDT),
plutonium.archimedes at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
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Bob wrote:
Yes. So what?
I don't know anything about the liquors. I was replying to your
comment about hot peppers. The "hot" of hot peppers is due to a
chemical called capsaicin, which is not an alkaloid; it does not have
a basic N. Why capsaicin is hot is well worked out, and a neat story.
If a simple capsaicin search isn?t so helpful, try
capsaicin receptor
And then you might also try
menthol receptor
for the same idea for coolness.
bob
Search for "capsaicin alkaloid" and here is one hit among 98,000 :
capsaicin – Dictionary Definition of capsaicin | Encyclopedia.com ...
capsaicin n. A bitter alkaloid present in capsicums, hot peppers, and
chillis that excites peripheral nerve endings of the trigeminal nerve
and causes ...
www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O87-capsaicin.html - 73k - Cached - Similar
pages - Note this
So, Bob, you must think the Encyclopedia is wrong also
Exactly. It is absolutely wrong, at least given the definition of
alkaloid you gave above. That is obvious if you simply look at the
structure. There is nothing mysterious or difficult here. You gave a
def of alkaloid -- the common modern narrow definition. All you need
to do is to look at the chemical; it is, quite obviously, not an
alkaloid -- by that def you give. Just look at it.
Some people also use the term more broadly/loosely to mean plant
secondary metabolites in general. You might check the definition in
this particular book -- though there is no certainty that a particular
article agrees with another.
bob |
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