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From what is below, again from Rabbi Ken Spiro, one can see that
Einstein for instance was a Sadducee. The long running conflict about
St. Paul is settled by realizing that Paul leaned toward the
Hellenized Sadducees, as well. His Ascended Master name, Hilarion, is
a Greek name. Spiro is against Hellenization, but there is a real
problem for Jews with that position, because the Greek Gods and Heroes
are parts and parcels of the body of God, i.e. the Kingdom of God.
For instance, both Apollo and Hercules are Elohim. There are seven of
those just as there are seven Archangels. A Jew who is alienated from
the spirits of these Elohim will have severe imbalances in his soul.
That is why the traditional Jews seem to me to be so mentally
defective that one cannot fruitfully debate or discuss anything with
them.
JEW VS. JEW
The Chanukah story is often portrayed as a struggle for national
liberation -- the Jewish revolt against the Greek occupation of
Israel. In reality it is much complicated that that. The real conflict
was not physical but intellectual. Chanukah was ultimately an
ideological-spiritual war between paganism and Judaism. It was also
not a struggle purely between Greeks and Jews. It was first a foremost
a civil war of Jew against Jew. The initial impetus for the Greek
attack against Judaism came from a certain splinter group of the
Jewish people -- the Hellenized Jews.
These were Jews who were sucked into Greek culture. And it is no
wonder why; Greek culture was the major culture milieu of the ancient
world.
We see this as a pattern in Jewish history. A world culture comes
along which is enlightened and progressive and is changing the world,
and some of the upper class Jews always get into it. Why? Because they
are rich, sophisticated, and have lot of spare time. Then they say to
the rest of the Jewish people: "Let's get modern. Forget this ancient
Jewish stuff." (We will see this pattern repeated in Spain, and in
Germany, and even today in America and Israel.)
At this time, we have a small but very vocal and powerful group of
Jews, who align with the Greek authorities and who become Hellenized.
They do everything the Greeks do.
They send their children to the gymnasium, and they reverse their
circumcisions -- a very painful operation -- since so much of Greek
stuff is done naked and the Greeks would consider them mutilated
otherwise.
To make matters worse, the schism between the Hellenized Jews and
mainstream Jews is paralleled by another schism -- between two
factions of religious Jews.
It begins in the third century BCE when two students named -- Zadok
and Bysos -- begin preaching a new form of Judaism, devoid of belief
in the Divinity of the Oral Torah. There is little doubt that Greek
thought played a significant role in creating this early break with
mainstream Judaism. Their followers are called the Sadducees and
Bysosim, though it is the Sadducees that go down in history. The
mainstream observant Jews, who follow the Rabbis and keep Jewish law
as it has always been practiced, are called ironically "Pharisees,"
meaning "separatists," to distinguish them from the others.
Since the Sadducees do not believe that the Oral Torah comes from God,
they maintain that they are only obligated to keep the laws of the
Written Torah, which they read literally. (This denial of the Oral Law
will occur later in Jewish history with the Karaite schism in
Babylon.) But so many of the laws of the Written Torah are
incomprehensible without the Oral Torah. Their answer? Each man for
himself; anyone can decide what it means and act accordingly.
The Sadducees find natural allies among the Hellenized Jews, as Rabbi
Berel Wein explains:
The Sadducees were always more acceptable in the eyes of the Hellenist
Jews than their rabbinic foes. The alliance of the Hellenists and the
Sadducees against traditional Judaism guaranteed constant turmoil in
Jewish life throughout the time of the Second Temple and even
thereafter. (Echoes of Glory, p. 38)
(We shall discuss the Sadducees in greater detail in future segments
when we come to the Roman Empire and its domination of the Jews.)
This is how the ancient historian Josephus explains the beliefs of the
Jews at this time:
The Pharisees [who are considered most skillful in the exact
explication of their laws and are the leading school] ascribe all to
fate and to God and yet allow that to do what is right or to the
contrary is principally the power of men, although fate does cooperate
in every action. They say that all souls are imperishable but that the
souls of good men only pass into other bodies while the souls of evil
men are subject to eternal punishment.
But the Sadducees are those that compose the second order and exclude
fate entirely and suppose that God is not concerned with our doing or
not doing what is evil. They say that to do what is good or what is
evil is man's own choice and that the choice of one or the other
belongs to each person who may act as he pleases. They also exclude
the belief in immortality of the soul and the punishment and rewards
of the afterworld.
Moreover, the Pharisees are friendly to one another and cultivate
harmonious relations with the community, but the behavior of the
Sadducees towards one another is to some degree boorish, and their
conversation with those that of their own party is barbarous as if
they were strangers to them.(5)
You can see how the Sadducees were influenced by Greek thought. They
are part of the reason that the High Priesthood and the Temple service
became so corrupt (as many of the priestly class, an upper class at
that time, became Sadducees). And this is why the Talmud says that so
many High Priests died during the service of Yom Kippur. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:39 pm |
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On Jun 10, 8:22 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t... at (no spam) nospam.xxx> wrote:
stinking shit from a malicious asshole. |
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| Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)... |
| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:49 pm |
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On Jun 11, 1:39 pm, saint7pe... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
Quote: On Jun 10, 8:22 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t... at (no spam) nospam.xxx> wrote:
stinking shit from a malicious asshole.
That's called projection in psychiatric circles.
Al |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:01 pm |
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On Jun 10, 8:49 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
<alwh... at (no spam) optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Quote: On Jun 11, 1:39 pm, saint7pe... at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
On Jun 10, 8:22 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t... at (no spam) nospam.xxx> wrote:
stinking shit from a malicious asshole.
That's called projection in psychiatric circles.
Al
Don't you mean Jewish psychiatric circles? Why can't you Jew boys
identify yourselves for once? Are you that ashamed? |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:22 pm |
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saint7peter at (no spam) hotmail.com wrote:
Quote: From what is below, again from Rabbi Ken Spiro, one can see that
Einstein for instance was a Sadducee. The long running conflict about
This is more interesting than your crap, and it's about you saint88peter.
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