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T. B....
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:33 am
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"Terrell Miller" wrote:

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"Alan Erskine" wrote:

"Damon Hill" wrote:

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It almost appears *something* blew off the top of the plane at about
the 1.58 point in the first video.

Crew ejection.

No, it's a few seconds earlier than the crew ejecting. It's just as the
front wheel lifts off the runway.


I think that's just an illusion from passing in front of some sort of
drainage grate behind teh runway.

That's pretty much what I figured as the other video from the different
perspective doesn't show anything happening at this juncture. Still, it
looked pretty odd.

T.B.
Pat Flannery...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:57 am
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Derek Lyons wrote:
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Although this works, it generates a whole lot of drag; and the B-2
seems to have them opened to some extent during its whole flight
profile...which works against the drag advantages of the pure
flying-wing design.


This wouldn't be the first time that a real physical object didn't
quite live up to the specs of it's paper predecessor.


Northrop first designed them for their flying wing fighter and bomber
designs to take the place of vertical fins and rudders.
IIRC, they were first used operationally on the F-89 Scorpion, where
they served as both ailerons and airbrakes.
You can see them in the partially open position on this in-flight B-2
photo: http://www.photosfan.com/images/stealth-airplane-b2-bomber.jpg
Back on the XP-56 and XP-79B they were driven by airscoops on the wingtips:
http://jpcolliat.free.fr/north/images/xp-56_schematic_top.gif
http://jpcolliat.free.fr/north/images/xp-79b_05.jpg

Pat
Pat Flannery...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:03 am
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Neil Gerace wrote:
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Pilots always thought they were walking a tightrope while flying the
YB-49, and just one wrong move would get them into a situation where the
aircraft would fall apart in a matter of seconds.


Kind of like driving a car in that respect :)


The stability problems get discussed here:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/bomber/yb49/

Pat
Pat Flannery...
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:21 am
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Pat Flannery wrote:
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The stability problems get discussed here:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/bomber/yb49/

This is a interesting multi-page article about the how the whole flying
wing bomber concept flopped in its first incarnation:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZX/is_3_8/ai_81763173/pg_1

Pat
Rick Jones...
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:26 pm
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"Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite.gondwana at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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Trivia question: Who is the only living pilot who has a street named
after him at Edwards AFB?

Yeager?

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Kathy Rages...
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:41 pm
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In article <sqsj44t6fus18mcsfi63259n06gmhta08l at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer) <reunite.gondwana at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
Captain Glenn Edwards, the co-pilot, was a native of California, which
is why the base was named after him, not the pilot. The pilot was
either Forbes or Fitzgerald and there already was a base with a very
similar name.

I quote Wikipedia, which happens to agree with my personal recollection:

"Forbes Air Force Base [Kansas] was named for Major Daniel Forbes,
an Air Force pilot from Kansas who was killed in a crash of the
Northrop YB-49 Flying Wing."

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Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)...
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:05 pm
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On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:41:29 -0400, rages at (no spam) darkstar.arc.nasa.gov (Kathy
Rages) wrote:

Quote:
In article <sqsj44t6fus18mcsfi63259n06gmhta08l at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer) <reunite.gondwana at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Captain Glenn Edwards, the co-pilot, was a native of California, which
is why the base was named after him, not the pilot. The pilot was
either Forbes or Fitzgerald and there already was a base with a very
similar name.

I quote Wikipedia, which happens to agree with my personal recollection:

"Forbes Air Force Base [Kansas] was named for Major Daniel Forbes,
an Air Force pilot from Kansas who was killed in a crash of the
Northrop YB-49 Flying Wing."

You're quite right and I was wrong. It was home state getting the
name for both of them. I was probably thinking of another early
aircrew member with a street named after him at EDW. Think of what it
was like back then, having so many bases that they could name two from
one accident. That didn't last long.

Edwards had been named Muroc, after the Corum family, early settlers
in the area. (The name was spelled backward because earlier the USPO
wouldn't accept Corum for the post office, as there was another post
office named something similar, like Coram.)

I prefer the USAF system of naming things after dead aircrew to the
USN system of naming things after local places. It still irritates me
that they renamed Lewis after Glenn, no matter that they call it Glenn
Research Center at Lewis Field.

Trivia question: Who is the only living pilot who has a street named
after him at Edwards AFB?

Mary "That would make me kind of nervous"
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Greg D. Moore (Strider)...
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:30 pm
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On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:41:29 -0400, rages at (no spam) darkstar.arc.nasa.gov (Kathy
Rages) wrote:

In article <sqsj44t6fus18mcsfi63259n06gmhta08l at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer) <reunite.gondwana at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Captain Glenn Edwards, the co-pilot, was a native of California, which
is why the base was named after him, not the pilot. The pilot was
either Forbes or Fitzgerald and there already was a base with a very
similar name.

I quote Wikipedia, which happens to agree with my personal recollection:

"Forbes Air Force Base [Kansas] was named for Major Daniel Forbes,
an Air Force pilot from Kansas who was killed in a crash of the
Northrop YB-49 Flying Wing."

You're quite right and I was wrong. It was home state getting the
name for both of them. I was probably thinking of another early
aircrew member with a street named after him at EDW. Think of what it
was like back then, having so many bases that they could name two from
one accident. That didn't last long.

Edwards had been named Muroc, after the Corum family, early settlers
in the area. (The name was spelled backward because earlier the USPO
wouldn't accept Corum for the post office, as there was another post
office named something similar, like Coram.)

I prefer the USAF system of naming things after dead aircrew to the
USN system of naming things after local places. It still irritates me
that they renamed Lewis after Glenn, no matter that they call it Glenn
Research Center at Lewis Field.

Trivia question: Who is the only living pilot who has a street named
after him at Edwards AFB?

I'd Armstrong.


Quote:

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OM...
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:57 pm
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On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:41:29 -0400, rages at (no spam) darkstar.arc.nasa.gov (Kathy
Rages) wrote:

Quote:
I quote Wikipedia, which happens to agree with my personal recollection:

....On the other hand, if forced to choose between Wikipedia and Our
Holy Lady of the Test Pilot Ziggurat, I think it's pretty obvious even
her partial recollections would hold more weight than a Wikipedia
article :-)

OM
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OM...
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:03 pm
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:26:15 +0000 (UTC), Rick Jones
<rick.jones2 at (no spam) hp.com> wrote:

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"Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite.gondwana at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Trivia question: Who is the only living pilot who has a street named
after him at Edwards AFB?

Yeager?

....Mary, I've been told that there were in fact *two* streets at
Edwards named for Yeager. Is one of these on-base and the other
locates on whatever off-base community exists out there?

OM
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Derek Lyons...
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:21 pm
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"Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite.gondwana at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:

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I prefer the USAF system of naming things after dead aircrew to the
USN system of naming things after local places.

The USN reserves important names for important things.

D.
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OM...
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:59 pm
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:56:10 GMT, fairwater at (no spam) gmail.com (Derek Lyons)
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I don't know if Derek knows what a ship is. We'll have to translate. I
believe he knows them as "targets". :-)

LOL Smile

....Someone owes me a keyboard after that one :-)

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Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)...
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:35 pm
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:26:15 +0000 (UTC), Rick Jones
<rick.jones2 at (no spam) hp.com> wrote:

Quote:
"Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite.gondwana at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Trivia question: Who is the only living pilot who has a street named
after him at Edwards AFB?

Yeager?

Got it in one. They named it after him during the 50th anniversary of
exceeding Mach 1 celebration. I was invited to the speechifying on
the ramp ceremony but didn't make it to the street-naming ceremony. It
was one of those oppressively hot October Santa Ana days and I was
flagging after hours on the hot ramp. I talked a bit with Bob Hoover,
who had flown safety chase, and Jack Roush, who was someone's guest. I
also talked to Chuck briefly.

Mary "Lots of interesting folks there"
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Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)...
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:58 pm
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On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:03:25 -0500, OM <om at (no spam) all_trolls_must_DIE.com>
wrote:

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:26:15 +0000 (UTC), Rick Jones
rick.jones2 at (no spam) hp.com> wrote:

"Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" <reunite.gondwana at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Trivia question: Who is the only living pilot who has a street named
after him at Edwards AFB?

Yeager?

...Mary, I've been told that there were in fact *two* streets at
Edwards named for Yeager. Is one of these on-base and the other
locates on whatever off-base community exists out there?

There's nothing off-base per se. I suppose they could have a Yeager
Street in Mojave or Rosamond or California City, but that's not really
what I'd call Edwards. The base is two-thirds the size of Rhode
Island and everything is set well inside the boundary.

There was a big to-do at the time, about naming the street after him
even though he was alive. He made jokes about it, the general made
jokes about it, Bob Hoover made jokes about it.

However, I have to point out that they'd named streets after living
people before. There's been a Doolittle St at EDW for as long as I've
been working on base. Ditto Lindbergh St. Those weren't "local"
people, though.

I suppose one of the dirt roads in North Edwards could be named after
Yeager, but who would know except the USPS? They don't have street
signs out there, after all.

Mary "Besides, it could be named after Jeana Yeager (no relation)."
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Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)...
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:05 am
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On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:57:50 -0500, OM <om at (no spam) all_trolls_must_DIE.com>
wrote:

Quote:
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:41:29 -0400, rages at (no spam) darkstar.arc.nasa.gov (Kathy
Rages) wrote:

I quote Wikipedia, which happens to agree with my personal recollection:

...On the other hand, if forced to choose between Wikipedia and Our
Holy Lady of the Test Pilot Ziggurat, I think it's pretty obvious even
her partial recollections would hold more weight than a Wikipedia
article Smile

I'm sorry to let you down, OM, but I was wrong. Wrong, wrong,
wrongitty, wrong. It happens once a decade, so you can believe every
word I write for the rest of this one. No need to question anything,
just believe.

Rest assured that I won't make mistakes about the streets around
Dryden. I knew all but two of those people fairly well.

Mary "Occasionally wrong but never uncertain."
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We didn't just do weird stuff at Dryden, we wrote reports about it.
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