especially since the white coats dont seem
to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
for the spasms.

Newbie at (no spam) bix.nex wrote:

Well said and bloody well right !

Right as Rain, Sound as the Pound, Bob's your Uncle.


I also have to give credit where credit is due. AC was also
instrumental to me giving the NTI a try. I heard of them,
looked at the website, and thought, "what can that little
piece of plastic do? if that's all there was to treating
TMJ and clenching, someone would have thought of it before
now."

This is everyones initial reaction and is quite normal. It's
also normal to expect the highest educated, most specialized
practitioners to have the best treatment for a condition.
Well, sometimes your better off going to a gp out in the
boonies <G>.

Took me almost a year to actually make one. My receptionist
was having TMJ troubles, had consulted her physician (go figure!),
and had been referred to an oral surgeon (OMG!). I said,
"That might be a dangerous road to travel. Why don't you try
one of these new little bite guards before you do anything
major?" My first NTI was a roaring success!

The rest is history. I've made hundreds of the things in the
last 8 years or so.

JME,
Steve

Jim Boyd was still working over here in the Great Lakes Region when he got
me started on making NTI's. About ten years ago....... I was skeptical and
went back and forth with Jim and Hans on this forum and private email.
Finally Jim sent me a sample to try. Fitted it on my RDA. She loved it and
still has it. Made a couple more,,,,,, same results. I have never looked
back since. The practice "Up North" is now converting to NTI's. Go figure.

--
/

Amatus

/"Steven Fawks" <tuthjoc... at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote in message

news:1211105412_105908 at (no spam) news.newsville.com...

New... at (no spam) bix.nex wrote:

Well said and bloody well right !

Right as Rain, Sound as the Pound, Bob's your Uncle.

I also have to give credit where credit is due. AC was also
instrumental to me giving the NTI a try. I heard of them,
looked at the website, and thought, "what can that little
piece of plastic do? if that's all there was to treating
TMJ and clenching, someone would have thought of it before
now."

This is everyones initial reaction and is quite normal. It's
also normal to expect the highest educated, most specialized
practitioners to have the best treatment for a condition.
Well, sometimes your better off going to a gp out in the
boonies <G>.

Took me almost a year to actually make one. My receptionist
was having TMJ troubles, had consulted her physician (go figure!),
and had been referred to an oral surgeon (OMG!). I said,
"That might be a dangerous road to travel. Why don't you try
one of these new little bite guards before you do anything
major?" My first NTI was a roaring success!

The rest is history. I've made hundreds of the things in the
last 8 years or so.

JME,
Steve

Newbie at (no spam) bix.nex> wrote in message
news:pffv24lulrbu8hn9vk85fm1btbgagu1j5d at (no spam) 4ax.com...
BTW <shooting fish in a barrel> it's the concussion, not
the bullet that gets them.

If we ever get a chance to share some brew, be sure to ask me about the
"rifle shot down the well" story.

Vaughn

Newbie at (no spam) bix.nex wrote:

BTW <shooting fish in a barrel> it's the concussion, not
the bullet that gets them.

Nothing like beer and explosives on the river.

VBG
Steve

Amatus Cremona wrote:
I thought this was worth re-posting

especially since the white coats dont seem
to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
for the spasms.

Very true.

Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
be referred to get him out of their hair.

D

I thought this was worth re-posting



especially since the white coats dont seem
to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
for the spasms.

Does the NTI work with someone who has had trauma or dislocated the
disk. i keep hearing how they will make
someone with damage even worse?

On May 19, 6:36 am, Dartos <tuthjoc... at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote:

Amatus Cremona wrote:

I thought this was worth re-posting

especially since the white coats dont seem
to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
for the spasms.

Very true.

Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
be referred to get him out of their hair.

D


oh yeah, ive beeen diagnosed with everything from transformed migraine
to major depression, and prescribed a suitcase full of different
drugs(none of which
do anything other than put me to sleep at night)such as
elavil,pamelor,neurontin,baclofen, and the list goes on and on. all
the while my jaw is cracking and all the muscles in my head and neck
are contracting. i dont want to get to excited, but ive worn the nti
for the last few nights and my neck stiffness has gotten alot better.
my jaw still hurts, but the weird back of neck headache pain seems to
be getting better too.

Not saying that you're out of the woods, but we'll see
what happens over the next few weeks...

:-)
D

jerm wrote:
On May 19, 6:36 am, Dartos <tuthjoc... at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote:

Amatus Cremona wrote:

I thought this was worth re-posting

especially since the white coats dont seem
to believe what im going thru, and their treatment has done nothing
for the spasms.

Very true.

Probably whipping out the muscle relaxants and antidepressants,
labeling the guy as a drug seeker, and wondering where he can
be referred to get him out of their hair.

D

oh yeah, ive beeen diagnosed with everything from transformed migraine
to major depression, and prescribed a suitcase full of different
drugs(none of which
do anything other than put me to sleep at night)such as
elavil,pamelor,neurontin,baclofen, and the list goes on and on. all
the while my jaw is cracking and all the muscles in my head and neck
are contracting. i dont want to get to excited, but ive worn the nti
for the last few nights and my neck stiffness has gotten alot better.
my jaw still hurts, but the weird back of neck headache pain seems to
be getting better too.

jerm wrote:
My bite is already changing!, is that a bad thing?.......my molars are
touching in different places......im probably going to end up with the
open bite huh. Although, if it gets me out of pain im willing to make
that sacrifice. in fact, id probably cut my own arm off at this point.

Your teeth are not moving, but the NTI is allowing the heads of the
condyles to seat into the fossa. This is because the NTI is reducing
the stress and subsequent inflamation in the tissues.

Usually, a little juditious adjustment at the dental office gets things
evened out.

It also is not uncommon to awake and notice your teeth don't feel
like they are biting normally, but have things straighten out after
breakfast.

What kind of injury did you have? Was your jaw broken? I forgot.

D hard to say, i opened opened my mouth wide with my mandible to the side and something popped, after that i started
clenching like crazy.

On May 22, 2:04 pm, Dartos <tuthjoc... at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote:

jerm wrote:
My bite is already changing!, is that a bad thing?.......my molars are
touching in different places......im probably going to end up with the
open bite huh. Although, if it gets me out of pain im willing to make
that sacrifice. in fact, id probably cut my own arm off at this point.

Your teeth are not moving, but the NTI is allowing the heads of the
condyles to seat into the fossa. This is because the NTI is reducing
the stress and subsequent inflamation in the tissues.

Usually, a little juditious adjustment at the dental office gets things
evened out.

It also is not uncommon to awake and notice your teeth don't feel
like they are biting normally, but have things straighten out after
breakfast.

What kind of injury did you have? Was your jaw broken? I forgot.

D hard to say, i opened opened my mouth wide with my mandible to the side and something popped, after that i started

clenching like crazy.

Your teeth are not moving, but the NTI is allowing the heads of the
condyles to seat into the fossa. This is because the NTI is reducing
the stress and subsequent inflamation in the tissues.
also , is that where i really want the condyles-seated?

Yes. You want the stress off of the joint, muscles, tendons, and
ligaments. This lets the TMJ settle where it 'feels good', not
where the teeth and occlusion are telling it where it 'has to go'.

Steve

My bite is already changing!, is that a bad thing?.......my molars are
touching in different places......im probably going to end up with the
open bite huh. Although, if it gets me out of pain im willing to make
that sacrifice. in fact, id probably cut my own arm off at this point.

On May 22, 5:41 pm, Steven Fawks <tuthjoc... at (no spam) myturbonet.com> wrote:

Your teeth are not moving, but the NTI is allowing the heads of the
condyles to seat into the fossa. This is because the NTI is reducing
the stress and subsequent inflamation in the tissues.
also , is that where i really want the condyles-seated?

Yes. You want the stress off of the joint, muscles, tendons, and
ligaments. This lets the TMJ settle where it 'feels good', not
where the teeth and occlusion are telling it where it 'has to go'.

Steve

feels good, thats what im talking about. i cant wait.