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Don Lancaster...
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:32 pm
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Fred Kasner wrote:
Quote:

Gee, if you really don't give a "rats ass" (sic) then why do you
continue to attack so furiously? I put my life on the line when I didn't
wait to enlist in WWII rather than sit around and hope I wouldn't be
drafted. So I don't know whether to laugh or cry when you accuse me of
being a Nazi and a Fascist. Projection on your part, I guess.
FK

When applying the scientific method, it does not matter in the least
what the political or religious beliefs of the poster are.

All that matters is whether credible, verifiable, and (above all)
falsifiable hypothesis are being properly and factually presented.

An ad-hominum attack is ALWAYS an instant win for the other side.
Every time.

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf

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gdewilde at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:44 am
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On May 17, 9:57 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote:
gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
On May 16, 12:34 am, Fred Kasner <fkas... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
You are one sick dude. Get help. You need help desperately. Your ravings
about impossible physical and chemical violations of basic principles
shows you to be even more deluded than even Stanley Meyer was.

I've looked over your questions but again there was nothing there I
can use.

However,
your complaints are noted and laughed at.

You ignorance is noted and I've wept slightly. Why? Because there are
those who are even more stupid than you who might believe your arrant
nonsense has an iota of logic to it.
FK

Yes, you so clearly state I should have no right to discuss the work
of Meyer with anyone. Now if that doesn't make you a Fascist you need
a new dictionary.

Why didn't you address the actual subject in stead of acting like the
ubermensh brain police?

"Because there are those who are even more stupid than you"

This is your idea of caring about people right?

Don't make me laugh nazi.
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:57 pm
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On May 19, 1:36 pm, "CWatters"
<colin.watt... at (no spam) NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
Quote:
gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:b19cb6b7-ea04-4dba-b962-bb7e1fd11b19 at (no spam) d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/78dc9358c876b5...
On Apr 12 2002, 5:05 am, h2op... at (no spam) aol.comic (None of Your Business)
wrote:
The bottom line is that Harry Conover is a confidence artist who is
quite successful in employing an obvious hoax technique
to defame numerous people in this NG.

Here is the video again kids.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0

If it works why has nobody paid to have their car checked out on an
independant milage test track?

I'm still eagerly waiting anone explanation of how I am a confidence
artist, since what little I have to post is based on scientific fact,
and whatever I post is done pro bono, just as are the majority of Don
L's posts. I don't even have a website.

What really annoys me are those having financial motives that make
posts supporting frauds on this newsgroup. By this I mean those with
something to gain by promoting free energy scams like the Stan Meyer
scam and other free energy crackpottery. These scams only defraud
ignorant dupes out of their money. True, some are based on simple
ignorance, but I have come to believe that most are the result of
intentional deception and misrepresentation.

When you face scientific reality, there is no such thing as a free
lunch! Energy is conserved, Period!!! If you don't grasp this
fundamental fact of life, you should confine your posts to some wacky
newsgroup in the alt. hierarchy.

What offends me much more are the medical hoaxes such as the Royal
Rife and Abrams scams, which have resulted in the premature deaths of
humans, while offering no medical benefits whatsoever. So far as I am
concerned, the free energy scammers should be fined and put into
prision, while on the other hand those responsible for promoting the
medical quackery (which give foolish people false hope and discourage
them from seeking medically sound treatment)...As a punishment, these
guys should be drawn and quartered, or burned at the stake...then go
directly to Hell to face eternal damnation.

The liars that post here are another issue. There is obviously no
need to expand on that point.

In closing, remember that this is a newsgroup that is a member of the
sci. hierarchy, where verifiable scientific fact rule. If you don't
believe in science, then you should not be posting here.

Harry C.
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:13 pm
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On May 19, 1:36 pm, "CWatters"
<colin.watt... at (no spam) NOturnersoakSPAM.plus.com> wrote:
Quote:
gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:b19cb6b7-ea04-4dba-b962-bb7e1fd11b19 at (no spam) d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/78dc9358c876b5...
On Apr 12 2002, 5:05 am, h2op... at (no spam) aol.comic (None of Your Business)
wrote:
The bottom line is that Harry Conover is a confidence artist who is
quite successful in employing an obvious hoax technique
to defame numerous people in this NG.

Here is the video again kids.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0

If it works why has nobody paid to have their car checked out on an
independant milage test track?

Also, why hasn't anyone noticed the two a.c. motor driven generators
mounted on the "Car that runs on Water"? These are circled, as shown
on the video to which I provided a link. For those of you that have
forgotten it, here it is again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__YCvFF8iM


Why are power line powered motor generators needed on a car that "Runs
on Water". Perpaps to generate sufficient hydrogen from the power
lines to power the car to run for a short distance?

Other explanations are invited, but thus far there have been none.

Harry C.
gdewilde at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:13 pm
Guest
On May 20, 2:13 am, hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
Also, why hasn't anyone noticed the two a.c. motor driven generators
mounted on the "Car that runs on Water"? These are circled, as shown
on the video to which I provided a link. For those of you that have
forgotten it, here it is again.


And your answer is in the comments under the stupid video retard.

Meyer used the coils to make back EMF spikes.

You liar NAzi.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
Fred Kasner...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:13 pm
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knews4u2chew at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
On May 18, 3:27 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
knews4u2c... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
On May 17, 3:02 pm, hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
On May 15, 3:44 pm, "gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com" <gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/78dc9358c876b5...
On Apr 12 2002, 5:05 am, h2op... at (no spam) aol.comic (None of Your Business)
wrote:
The bottom line is that Harry Conover is a confidence artist who is
quite successful in employing an obvious hoax technique
to defame numerous people in this NG.
Here is the video again kids.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u5aqc_dpuA0
Here is a more current video kids...which reveals some of the
magicians secrets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__YCvFF8iM
Are you the con-man that JW (h2opwd) is always acusing me, a graduate
physicist and enineer, being.
I would love for either you or JW to explain to other readers how I
and a few others are deceiving anyone by posting obvious scientific
facts to refute the possiblity of extracting usable energy from water
though electrolysis, or for that matter, an optical microscope said to
be capable of imaging viruses (the Royal Rife Scam), and many other
scams that either steal money from uneducated people, or place their
health in jeopardy.
Please demonstrate how I could profit in any way from the Usenet posts
that I make, thus it is demonstated (QED) that unlike some of you
posters, I am not a confidence artist as some of you appear to be.
Keep on promoting your scams if you are confidence artists and have no
consciences. Worry about law enforcement, and not the critical posts
that you will read from the technicians, engineers, and scientists
posting on the newsgroup. Law enforcement may eventually fine your or
put you in the slammer, but all the scientific crowd here can to is to
scare away some of your potential victims by causing them to do more
research (Google is their friend), before investing in any of the
outrageous schemes or fraud devices.
Harry C.
Interesing, after 7 years, you for a rather obvious motivation you
went back and dredged up a post that slandered me in 2002
Harry, you and your ilk are liars just like the government and every
other entrenched institution.
Here is how you guys deny reality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdZpRcTBwdA&feature=related
But they're all liars or "misinterpreted what they saw."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fwKDjq3ZHdQ
You can present no bone fides to demonstrate that you are a more
reliable person to present an opinion on matters such as electrolysis or
any other question of physics or chemistry. And your repeating posts
that you may not have written but which can't distinguish between an
energy (electron volts) and a potential (volts) and claims that a
process that works with low energies is a nuclear process rather than a
chemical process that only serve to further discredit you. Thus what you
claim is not worthy of any claim to creditbility. And your history of
repeatedly masked identities makes you further lacking in credibility.
Hiding your identity repeatedly and denying that you do such makes you
not worthy of even a shred of credibility.
FK

Shooting the messenger doesn't change the facts.

However if the messenger is carrying lies and insisting they are facts
we lose noting by ignoring the messenger or even killing him, save the
moral injustification for murder.
FK
Fred Kasner...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:23 pm
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gdewilde at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
On May 17, 9:57 pm, Fred Kasner <fkas... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
On May 16, 12:34 am, Fred Kasner <fkas... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
You are one sick dude. Get help. You need help desperately. Your ravings
about impossible physical and chemical violations of basic principles
shows you to be even more deluded than even Stanley Meyer was.
I've looked over your questions but again there was nothing there I
can use.
However,
your complaints are noted and laughed at.
You ignorance is noted and I've wept slightly. Why? Because there are
those who are even more stupid than you who might believe your arrant
nonsense has an iota of logic to it.
FK

Yes, you so clearly state I should have no right to discuss the work
of Meyer with anyone. Now if that doesn't make you a Fascist you need
a new dictionary.

Why didn't you address the actual subject in stead of acting like the
ubermensh brain police?

"Because there are those who are even more stupid than you"

This is your idea of caring about people right?

Don't make me laugh nazi.

The point that you so flippantly dismiss is that this issue has been
"debated" to death with essentially no shred of evidence that is
available to some scientist who would be willing to waste his time
testing what is fundamentally impossible. Not nobody supporting your
claims has ever attempted to explain away the arguments that the Meyer
process is a nuclear process or that all you need to produce energy is a
"voltage" which claim is based on the failure to understand that a volt
(a potential difference) is the same as an electron volt (an energy).
Also the fact is that you can't treat a vibrational system of a chemical
bond as if it were like pushing somebody on a swing. You can't put
additional amounts of energy into such a system with smaller frequency
increments. There is a natural frequency and only increments of energy
at this frequency are absorbed by the O-H bond. Such frequencies are
millions of millions of times large that the frequencies that Meyer
claimed his equipment used. But idiots claim that these postulates of
quantum mechanics can be ignored.

And pointing out such inconsistencies so enrages you that you can only
accuse those who point them out as being some murdering political entity
as a fascist or nazi? You are one sick fellow indeed if you cannot
respond with other than such venomous accusation.
FK
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:33 pm
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On May 19, 10:13 pm, "gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com" <gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 20, 2:13 am, hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

Also, why hasn't anyone noticed the two a.c. motor driven generators
mounted on the "Car that runs on Water"?  These are circled, as shown
on the video to which I provided a link. For those of you that have
forgotten it, here it is again.

And your answer is in the comments under the stupid video retard.

Meyer used the coils to make back EMF spikes.

You liar NAzi.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE

What did I lie about. The video clearly depicts the two a.c. powered
motor-generator set (same as those pictured in his workshop) on the
car. What powered them, and why were they there?

Back EMF spikes? To make back EMF Spikes, you need alternating or
pulsating electrical current. What was the source of the energy for
this current, lacking a power line connection or a battery powered
energy source?

Strangely, or not strangely, their is no mention of a need for "Back
EMF Spikes" in any of Meyer's ridiculous literature.

Friend, you're grasping at staws in order to rationalize a scammer's
claims.

Harry C.
...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:38 pm
Guest
On May 19, 10:13 pm, "gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com" <gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 20, 2:13 am, hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

Also, why hasn't anyone noticed the two a.c. motor driven generators
mounted on the "Car that runs on Water"?  These are circled, as shown
on the video to which I provided a link. For those of you that have
forgotten it, here it is again.

And your answer is in the comments under the stupid video retard.

Meyer used the coils to make back EMF spikes.

You liar NAzi.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE

What coild, they were a.c. line powered electric motors that drove the
d.c. generators that powered his electrolysis.

Watch again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__YCvFF8iM


Notice that the same motor-generator set is mounted on the dune
buggy. Now why do you suppose it was there?

Name calling does not help your cause, only makes you look like an
idiot.

Harry C.
...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:42 pm
Guest
Once again, here is the Meyer Water Powered Car Scam reveled (at least
in part).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y__YCvFF8iM

Watch carefully.

Harry C.

p.s., Don't your Meyers scammers hate someone like me?
gdewilde at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:00 pm
Guest
On May 20, 4:33 am, hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
What did I lie about.


yes
gdewilde at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:02 pm
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On May 20, 4:38 am, hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
Name calling does not help your cause, only makes you look like an
idiot.


NAZI
...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:29 pm
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On May 20, 12:02 am, "gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com" <gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 20, 4:38 am, hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

Name calling does not help your cause, only makes you look like an
idiot.

NAZI

In this case, you are a demonstrated idiot.

Happy?

Harry C.

p.s., I'm curious as to why your are so enthusiastically supporting a
scam that is so shallow that even a bright middle school student will
see through. This raised the obvious question: Are you a participant
in this scam, or simply misguided?
gdewilde at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:39 pm
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On May 20, 4:38 am, hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
Now why do you suppose it was there?

Are you asking questions now?

He put that there for the fascists to draw red circles around.

Why else?

Are you suggesting an electric motor is a power source?

Here kid, view this U tube video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE
The power of water as shown by Stanley Meyer, Dennis Klein, Graeme
Jenkins, Steve Ryan, Bill Williams, Daniel Dingle, Yull Brown, Paul
Pantone and John Kanzius

Seems an appropriate cure for electrliars.

Lets have a close look at you ignoring the topic again. Liar liar?

I did view your video,

I did explain to you that electric motors are not power sources.

Some confused kid eh?
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:55 pm
Guest
In sci.physics hhc314 at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote:
On May 20, 12:02?am, "gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com" <gdewi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 20, 4:38 am, hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

Name calling does not help your cause, only makes you look like an
idiot.

NAZI

In this case, you are a demonstrated idiot.

Happy?

Harry C.

p.s., I'm curious as to why your are so enthusiastically supporting a
scam that is so shallow that even a bright middle school student will
see through. This raised the obvious question: Are you a participant
in this scam, or simply misguided?

For someone with more than three functioning brain cells to support such
an obvious scam they either have to be a participant of have bought
heavily into it and are now in deep denial of what an idiot they were.


--
Jim Pennino

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