On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Claudius Denk
claudiusd... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net>:

snip

H2O isn't acidic.  It's a mild
base.

Wrong again; pure H2O neither acidic nor alkaline.

On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:39:30 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Claudius Denk
claudiusd... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net>:

On May 16, 12:43 pm, 02398... at (no spam) hvcc.edu wrote:
Thank you for the interest in my site.

Claudius, for one who seems to make such confident statements about
the physical and chemical properties of greenhouse gases, you are
quite ignorant in the subject.  While the oxygen and nitrogen
molecules vibrate, the vibrations do not create a transient charge
separation because of their symmetry.  Without a transient dipole
moment, they cannot absorb nor emit infrared radiation.

I could care less about your vague and completely unsupported
speculations about dipole and IR.  Show me the experimental data that
demonstrated a thermal effect on atmosphere.  Obviously you never
will.  Because if such existed you wouldn't need to bother with this
speculative hyperbole.

The energy absorption and radiation characteristics of
molecules are not speculative,

and reference to them in a
discussion regarding exactly those characteristics is not
hyperbole.

A simple "I don't have the faintest idea what
you're talking about, but since it seems to disagree with my
unsupported claims I'll reject it" would have had the
advantage of at least being honest.

Ask yourself a question.
Would any gas remain cold when exposed to heat radiation?

Your website is science-based propaganda. It isn't real science.

There are certainly conditions under which nearly any gas could act as a
greenhouse gas, but those conditions aren't found in the earth's
atmosphere.

Are you saying there are no gases on earth that are greenhouse gases?
Including CO2 and methane? Or did I misinterpret what you are stating
here?

This is a bullshit website. The phrase "greenhouse gas" is never
defined.

And no empirical data is presented that would allow us an
OBJECTIVE manner to distinguish what gases do, do not and to what
degree they do or do not fit this nonexistent definition.

This is a propaganda website. Not a science website.

To act as a greenhouse gas the molecule must possess a dipole moment, or
some of its vibrational motions must create a temporary dipole moment.
This
eliminates homonuclear diatomic molecules (O2, N2) as being able to
interact
with the infrared.

Whacko nonsense.

A basic textbook on this subject, used in many colleges, is available
here:
http://www.amazon.com/Global-Warming-Understanding-David-Archer/dp/1405140399

Well stated. Another way of arriving at the same conclusion: Global
Warming theory is bankrupt.

Mr. Denky/McGinn and a few other pseudo-scientists
on this forum could learn a lot by reading this
basic college textbook.

Without a transient dipole moment, they cannot absorb nor emit infrared
radiation.

Roger retard and his pretend science. Whacko nonsense.

If we place and sustain by way of artificial and natural means an
extra 50 teratonnes of acidic h2o into our atmosphere; What happens?

BTW, H2O isn't acidic. It's a mild base.

pH of water.

Davee theory
universal solvent H2O water, subsection liquid phases.
Water as found in the oceans is an ionic liquid containing hydrogen
ions H+ and hydronium - (OH). and other dissolved ions.
rainwater (pure water or is it?) is precipitated at altitude from
evaporation from the oceans and other natural processes such as
photosynthesis etc (just like that distilled bottle water that you
buy), and can pick up ions on the way down from clouds after
precipitation and assume acidic value.
Deionised water is neutral as all ions are removed.
And does rainwater contain either deuterium or tritium wiki wiki wiki.

On May 17, 2:24 pm, Bob Casanova <nos... at (no spam) buzz.off> wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2008 12:33:09 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Claudius Denk
claudiusd... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net>:





On May 16, 12:29 pm, Bob Casanova <nos... at (no spam) buzz.off> wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:46:13 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Claudius Denk
claudiusd... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net>:

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/gases.html
It's unfortunate you were uable to find any quantitative and
empirically measurable basis for why you dispute my assertion that all
gases are greenhouse gases.

From the cited source:

"Carbon monoxide (CO) is not considered a direct greenhouse
gas, mostly because it does not absorb terrestrial thermal
IR energy strongly enough."

Same is true for CO2.

From the cited source:

"Carbon dioxide was the first greenhouse gas demonstrated to
be increasing..."

See the part about "greenhouse gas"? So this claim is also
demonstrated to be false.

What, exactly, has been demonstrated?

On May 17, 2:27 pm, Bob Casanova <nos... at (no spam) buzz.off> wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by Claudius Denk
claudiusd... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net>:

snip

H2O isn't acidic.  It's a mild
base.

Wrong again; pure H2O neither acidic nor alkaline.

References?

My recollection is that it is mildly alkaline.