Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

By GOD's design, there is one optimal amount for every adult as
denoted by the Hebrew word "omer" (Exodus 16:16).

Why not save us the trouble of looking it up?

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

jay wrote:
What supplements provide relief from polyneuropathy?
Nobody seems to have mentioned the most obvious one, thiamine!

My multi-vitamin says one tablet has 75mg of Thiamine HCl (5000%). Is
this too much?

It sounds like too much to me, but many people take that much, or
more. The multi-vitamin-mineral tablets I take afford about one DV
(that is, 100%) for each vitamin and mineral, except for the major
minerals. (For thiamine, that means 1.5mg.)

But I also take a few vitamins "on the side" for specific purposes,
and I expect to get most of my nutrients from food, not to mention the
zillions of honored guest symbiotes in my digestive tract. I'd be lost
without them.

Marshall Price wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote in part:

By GOD's design, there is one optimal amount for every adult as
denoted by the Hebrew word "omer" (Exodus 16:16).
Why not save us the trouble of looking it up?

"Each one is to gather as much as he needs. Take an omer for each
person you have in your tent." -- LORD Almighty GOD (Exodus 16:16)

16 + 16 = 32

Reminding us that the one optimal amount is 32 ounces.

On May 18, 1:31 am, Marshall Price <d0213... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

By GOD's design, there is one optimal amount for every adult as
denoted by the Hebrew word "omer" (Exodus 16:16).
Why not save us the trouble of looking it up?

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

Chung has been told many times that scholars agree that an omer is a
biblical measure of volume equivalent to approximately 2 liters or
quarts. Yet he is fixated on the fact that the verse mentioning an
omer as being the right amount of food for the Israelites wandering in
the desert is Exodus 16:16. He therefore twists this to be numerology
"proof" that an omer is 2 pounds or 32 ounces.

Chung initially fixated on the 2 pounds per person per day diet when
he saw some IMAX film about Everest climbers and mistakenly came away
with the idea that those climbers ate only 2 pounds of food per day.
As his mental illness progressed and he became more fixated on quasi-
Christianity, this 2 pounds a day morphed from being inspired by the
IMAX Everest film into being inspired by Chung's lone ranger,
idiosyncratic and mistaken interpretation of the biblical measure of
volume, an omer.

Chung is a disgraced ex-cardiologist who lost his first post-
cardiology fellowship job in Ocala, Florida in about 3 months and has
not worked since. He is a pathological, regressed narcissist and a
known Usenet k00k and a pathological liar.

Respond to his posts for amusement value only. Nothing that he says is
evidence-based.

Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
neighbor Marshall Price wrote:
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote in part:

By GOD's design, there is one optimal amount for every adult as
denoted by the Hebrew word "omer" (Exodus 16:16).

Why not save us the trouble of looking it up?

"Each one is to gather as much as he needs. Take an omer for each
person you have in your tent." -- LORD Almighty GOD (Exodus 16:16)

16 + 16 = 32

Reminding us that the one optimal amount is 32 ounces.

Huh?

And I ate two to six cups of cooked oat bran every day, which also
has been proven to work.

What supplements provide relief from polyneuropathy? Would the
following be the most important? Already doing paleo-type diet,
moderate exercise and multi-vitamins.

Benfotiamine
Vitamin B6 (P-5-P)
R-Lipoic Acid
NAC
Acetyl-L-Carnitine

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jay wrote:
What supplements provide relief from polyneuropathy?
Nobody seems to have mentioned the most obvious one, thiamine!
My multi-vitamin says one tablet has 75mg of Thiamine HCl (5000%). Is
this too much?
It sounds like too much to me, but many people take that much, or
more. The multi-vitamin-mineral tablets I take afford about one DV
(that is, 100%) for each vitamin and mineral, except for the major
minerals. (For thiamine, that means 1.5mg.)

But I also take a few vitamins "on the side" for specific purposes,
and I expect to get most of my nutrients from food, not to mention the
zillions of honored guest symbiotes in my digestive tract. I'd be lost
without them. ;-)


It's not too much. I take 540mg Thiamine per day.

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739091c9-61a5-4257-844a-cbc2e72bd0e6 at (no spam) r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
jay <jaym1212 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

What supplements provide relief from polyneuropathy? Would the
following be the most important? Already doing paleo-type diet,
moderate exercise and multi-vitamins.

Benfotiamine
Vitamin B6 (P-5-P)
R-Lipoic Acid
NAC
Acetyl-L-Carnitine

I've had neuropathy too.

A couple of points:

+ Stoke the GABA channel. Homocysteine blocks it, so anything that
lowers homocysteine should work - methyl-B12, folic acid, betaine, SAMe,
creatine, choline. (Insulin resistance interferes with GABA receptor
function, by the way.) You can boost GABA production per se with
magnesium, taurine and a few of the previously mentioned items.
Magnesium also antagonizes the actions of Substance P.

+ Check for molybdenum deficiency, which is common in diabetes and
depresses metallothionein synthesis. Also check for metals poisoning
and other toxicities.

+ Intermittent fasting - eat as much as you want the first day, then
fast the second day and repeat. Much easier than calorie restriction
and doesn't require expert nutritional supervision.

+ Acetyl-l-carnitine upregulates the low affinity nerve growth factor
receptor (p75NGFR) - thus its limited ability to regrow peripheral
nerves. p75 accelerates growth in some cancers (e.g. gliomas) and
shrinks other cancers. Make sure you understand what ALCAR is doing to
your cancer risk. (A high enough dose should also send your hair
follicles into catagen.)

+ Butyrate (~3g daily). It's an HDAC inhibitor produced in the gut
from fiber. It requires carnitine for absorption and metabolization.
Butyrate directly induces autophagy.

+ If you're taking lipoic acid, take plenty of biotin.

+ For pain relief, low-dose naltrexone blocks dependency, increases
analgesia and reduces tolerance/addiction when used in conjunction with
standard opioids.

+ Green tea extract (analgesia via PPARalpha agonism, maybe PKC
inhibition).

+ Atrial natriuretic factor (produced via certain types of heat stress).

+ gluatmine (HO-1)

+ Vitamin D3 (via HIF-1?).

+ DHEA (like carnitine, it's a PKC inhibitor and thus raises the pain
threshold).

+ Death of gut bacteria can lower the pain threshold [PMID 17159985].

+ Cox-2 inhibitors can actually induce autoimmunity and sometimes
sensitize nerves to pain.

A high enough dose should also send your hair
follicles into catagen.

Forgot two strategic approaches specific to diabetes:

1) Raise the NAD+/NADH ratio. Niacinamide or niacin. This ratio
governs blood flow and directly affects neuropathy.

2) Inhibit GSK-3b. This should help alleviate insulin resistance.

Also, citrulline supplementation might be a better idea than arginine
for increasing nitric oxide. BH4 might also be helpful if you have high
homocysteine/OOHO- levels - although the increased catecholamine
synthesis by BH4 might actually enhance your sensitivity to pain even as
it improves your oxidative status.

And I ate two to six cups of cooked oat bran every day,
which also has been proven to work.

Make sure you rule out Celiac disease first.  It's associated with
neuropathies.

I've had neuropathy too.

....check for metals poisoning and other toxicities.

+  Intermittent fasting

+  Butyrate (~3g daily).

+  Green tea extract

+  Atrial natriuretic factor (produced via certain types of heat stress)..

In the past, after eating Cinnamon Toast Crunch cereal fo two weeks,
any meal with usual amount of hot chilies would cause both of my hands/
wrist to feel as if capsaicin was applied there direclty.

Did it also affect your feet?

Was it symmetrical?

Did you check your blood glucose?

I can't speak for anyone else but that many fast carbs would spike my
BG and cause the onset of peripheral neuropathy

The chillies might just amplify the pain