Looking for information on domestic hydrolysers, H2 storage and gas
burners. [For when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow and
its time to eat]

Looking for information on domestic hydrolysers, H2 storage and gas
burners. [For when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow and
its time to eat]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

Looking for information on domestic hydrolysers, H2 storage and gas
burners. [For when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow and
its time to eat]

How would hydrogen help ?

You ARE aware of the problems with H2 storage right ? Like the porosity of
most (all ?) materials to the tiny H2 molecule giving rise to H2 losses
and potential accumulation of explosive vapour mixes, not to mention
hydrogen embrittlement of steel. Oh and then there's the pressure of the
storage tank to consider or the 'boil-off' losses if you go for liquid H2.
Oh AND the energy losses associated with either highly compressed or
cryogenic storage of H2.

It's 'lose, lose, lose' all the way !

Graham

There's also the DOT orange book requirement to keep the hydrogen at

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:



I'm talking about using H2 as an energy store for cooking.
Dirk

I think I found your problem.

On 12 May, 17:11, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

I'm talking about using H2 as an energy store for cooking.
Dirk

I think I found your problem.

Your problem is that you appear to be insane.
WTF has any of what I want got to do with "gasoline"?
It's about powering a home that is miles from any grid, either water,
gas, sewage or electric.
The location has an average all-through-the-year windspeed of 15mph ie
windpower is more than cost competitive with UK domestic electricity
prices.

Dirk

I'm talking about using H2 as an energy store for cooking.

Dirk

Bob Eld wrote:

If you have spare electricity from wind or solar, why not make H2 out of
it?

Because no means of doing so is known that is not a huge gasoline
destroying net energy sink, of course.

On 12 May, 17:27, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 May, 17:11, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
I'm talking about using H2 as an energy store for cooking.
Dirk
I think I found your problem.
Your problem is that you appear to be insane.
WTF has any of what I want got to do with "gasoline"?
It's about powering a home that is miles from any grid, either water,
gas, sewage or electric.
The location has an average all-through-the-year windspeed of 15mph ie
windpower is more than cost competitive with UK domestic electricity
prices.

Dirk

And I should add that excess wind electricity generated will also be
dumped into the water heating system, esp in winter months.

Dirk

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
On 12 May, 17:27, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 May, 17:11, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
I'm talking about using H2 as an energy store for cooking.
Dirk
I think I found your problem.
Your problem is that you appear to be insane.
WTF has any of what I want got to do with "gasoline"?
It's about powering a home that is miles from any grid, either water,
gas, sewage or electric.
The location has an average all-through-the-year windspeed of 15mph ie
windpower is more than cost competitive with UK domestic electricity
prices.

Dirk

And I should add that excess wind electricity generated will also be
dumped into the water heating system, esp in winter months.

Dirk


Even if wind electricity was the same price as grid, it would still be
outrageously too expensive to waste on electrolysis.

Instantly and irreversibly destroying most of its value makes no sense
whatsoever.

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:





On 12 May, 17:27, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 May, 17:11, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
I'm talking about using H2 as an energy store for cooking.
Dirk
I think I found your problem.
Your problem is that you appear to be insane.
WTF has any of what I want got to do with "gasoline"?
It's about powering a home that is miles from any grid, either water,
gas, sewage or electric.
The location has an average all-through-the-year windspeed of 15mph ie
windpower is more than cost competitive with UK domestic electricity
prices.

Dirk

And I should add that excess wind electricity generated will also be
dumped into the water heating system, esp in winter months.

Dirk

Even if wind electricity was the same price as grid, it would still be
outrageously too expensive to waste on electrolysis.

Instantly and irreversibly destroying most of its value makes no sense
whatsoever.

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/morenrgf.pdf

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Don Lancaster wrote:
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
On 12 May, 17:27, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 May, 17:11, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
I'm talking about using H2 as an energy store for cooking.
Dirk
I think I found your problem.
Your problem is that you appear to be insane.
WTF has any of what I want got to do with "gasoline"?
It's about powering a home that is miles from any grid, either water,
gas, sewage or electric.
The location has an average all-through-the-year windspeed of 15mph ie
windpower is more than cost competitive with UK domestic electricity
prices.

Dirk

And I should add that excess wind electricity generated will also be
dumped into the water heating system, esp in winter months.

Dirk

Even if wind electricity was the same price as grid, it would still be
outrageously too expensive to waste on electrolysis.

Once the system is installed *not* using the electricity is the waste.

Instantly and irreversibly destroying most of its value makes no sense
whatsoever.

So how do you think I should do the cooking?
Install more batteries and use electric?
Even though the capital cost and depreciation is vastly more expensive
than bubbling up H2 and storing it?

Stop talking bollocks and tell me the most cost effective way of cooking
for an average of 1 hr per day (estimated 3kWh)

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Don Lancaster wrote:
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
On 12 May, 17:27, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 May, 17:11, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
I'm talking about using H2 as an energy store for cooking.
Dirk
I think I found your problem.
Your problem is that you appear to be insane.
WTF has any of what I want got to do with "gasoline"?
It's about powering a home that is miles from any grid, either water,
gas, sewage or electric.
The location has an average all-through-the-year windspeed of 15mph ie
windpower is more than cost competitive with UK domestic electricity
prices.

Dirk

And I should add that excess wind electricity generated will also be
dumped into the water heating system, esp in winter months.

Dirk


Even if wind electricity was the same price as grid, it would still be
outrageously too expensive to waste on electrolysis.

Once the system is installed *not* using the electricity is the waste.

Instantly and irreversibly destroying most of its value makes no sense
whatsoever.

So how do you think I should do the cooking?
Install more batteries and use electric?
Even though the capital cost and depreciation is vastly more expensive
than bubbling up H2 and storing it?

Stop talking bollocks and tell me the most cost effective way of cooking
for an average of 1 hr per day (estimated 3kWh)

Propane, of course.

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Don Lancaster wrote:
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
On 12 May, 17:27, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 May, 17:11, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
I'm talking about using H2 as an energy store for cooking.
Dirk
I think I found your problem.
Your problem is that you appear to be insane.
WTF has any of what I want got to do with "gasoline"?
It's about powering a home that is miles from any grid, either water,
gas, sewage or electric.
The location has an average all-through-the-year windspeed of 15mph ie
windpower is more than cost competitive with UK domestic electricity
prices.

Dirk

And I should add that excess wind electricity generated will also be
dumped into the water heating system, esp in winter months.

Dirk


Even if wind electricity was the same price as grid, it would still
be outrageously too expensive to waste on electrolysis.

Once the system is installed *not* using the electricity is the waste.

Instantly and irreversibly destroying most of its value makes no
sense whatsoever.

So how do you think I should do the cooking?
Install more batteries and use electric?
Even though the capital cost and depreciation is vastly more expensive
than bubbling up H2 and storing it?

Stop talking bollocks and tell me the most cost effective way of
cooking for an average of 1 hr per day (estimated 3kWh)

Propane, of course.
Otherwise Coleman.

On May 12, 3:56 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
Don Lancaster wrote:
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
On 12 May, 17:27, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On 12 May, 17:11, Don Lancaster <d... at (no spam) tinaja.com> wrote:
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
I'm talking about using H2 as an energy store for cooking.
Dirk
I think I found your problem.
Your problem is that you appear to be insane.
WTF has any of what I want got to do with "gasoline"?
It's about powering a home that is miles from any grid, either water,
gas, sewage or electric.
The location has an average all-through-the-year windspeed of 15mph ie
windpower is more than cost competitive with UK domestic electricity
prices.
Dirk
And I should add that excess wind electricity generated will also be
dumped into the water heating system, esp in winter months.
Dirk
Even if wind electricity was the same price as grid, it would still be
outrageously too expensive to waste on electrolysis.
Once the system is installed *not* using the electricity is the waste.

Instantly and irreversibly destroying most of its value makes no sense
whatsoever.
So how do you think I should do the cooking?
Install more batteries and use electric?
Even though the capital cost and depreciation is vastly more expensive
than bubbling up H2 and storing it?

Stop talking bollocks and tell me the most cost effective way of cooking
for an average of 1 hr per day (estimated 3kWh)

--
Dirk

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Use a natural gas kitchen oven. Compared to electrical heating, this
saves about 50% of the energy cost. Natural gas in cheap in comparison
to electricity, because what do you think it is that they use to
produce electricity? Yes, natural gas and coal, unless you are
fortunate enough to have a nuclear plant in your local.