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| Stray Dog... |
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(this post is aimed primarily at only those Indians who post nothing
but anti-US-pro-India propaganda and can see nothing good in the USA).
For others, it is an FYI, FWIW post.
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Business Week, May 19 issue, 2008, pages 44-47 (just came in the mail
yesterday).
"In India, Death To Global Business"
by Manjeet Kripalani
Big article on how the government of India does not have the whole
eastern 1/3 of India under control. Quoting a key sentence early in
the article:
"Today, they [the Naxalites] operate in 30% of India, up from 9% in
2002"
There is a graphic with red, yellow, and gray areas in India that are
under various levels of control by the Naxalite/Maoists.
----- see below for more, previously published articles from The
Economist 1-2 years ago about this-----
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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:00:48 -0400
Subject: India: Armed revolt (update)
Financial Times, Tuesday, July 18, 2006, front page sidebar (left):
"20 massacred in India: More than 800 leftwing extremists killed 20
villagers in the Indian state of Chattisgarh, taking the death toll
from
the communist insurgency to nearly 500 this year"
for background on this, see below:
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More on the Naxalite revolt in India:
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(as quoted from _Financial Times_, Wed, April 19, 2006, p.12,
article title: "Maoism rises again-India must take vigorous
action to counter the threat")
"A quarter of India's 602 administrative districts are affected by
'Naxalites' -- named after a 1967 Maoist uprising in the West Bengal
village of Naxalbari--and the government blames the rebels for 157
deaths in
the first three months of this year. Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime
minister, last week described Maoism as the country's biggest-ever
internal security challenge."
"Democracy as actually practiced in India is highly immperfect,
riddled
with corruption and elitism in ways that make it hard for ordinary
Indians to exercise their democratic rights--especially in states
where
feudal attitudes and a lack of land reform, not to mention the caste
system, entrench the gap between rich and poor"
The article also talked about near government collapse in Nepal, just
to
the northeast of India, from Maoist insurgencies and pro-democracy
demonstrations.
more below from a separate article...
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Rebel armies in India! (revised file)
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(as quoted from _The Economist_, April 15,
2006, page 45)
"For almost 40 years, increasingly large areas of India's remote
rural
hinterland have been disrupted by Maoist-inspired rebel armies,
known as Naxalites, who oppose conventional government."
The article goes on to name and date the places and time at which
clashes
took place and how many people were killed.
"The number for the first three months of this year is nearly 40% up
on
the same period last year."
"The government admits that 76 of India's 602 districts are badly
affected, though the Asian Center for Human Rights says Naxalites have
influence in 165 districts,...."
Some Indians are not worrying, but it was reported that Singh himself
is
concerned.
"The impact on the economy and on foreign investment is likely to
grow."
The article said that lots of companies have avoided certain
industries (eg. mining, lumber)
"The Naxalites are a complex group. They take their name from
Naxalbari, a
West Bengal [actually located in the eastern tip of India] village
where
the movement was founded in 1967. They were wiped out by tough police
action, and next surfaced in the 1980s as the People's War
Group (PWG) in an independence-minded area of AP called Telugana.
Conflict
between the castes in Bihar led to the creation of the Maoist
Communist Centre in the mid-1980s. This then merged with the PWG and
started to build loose links with neighboring Nepal, where Maoist
rebels now control significant areas of the country, and with less
significant groups in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka."
The article explains that the origin is from tribal groups affraid of
loosing their land to development projects. The government is
attempting to initiate increased police activities "But the
Naxalities
[spelled differently than in the rest of the article] keep growing
stronger."
The map that accompanied the article showed close to 1/3 of all of
the
land of India (the easternmost 1/3, with region names as mentioned in
the
article) as under the control of the Naxalites (using the spelling of
the
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book-cooking can always cover up reality.. which is why book-cooking
exists.. which is why accounting exists
the entire nation of India (or anywhere for that matter) could be
wiped off the map.. and the accountants would make it seem as if
nothing happened with no economic impact whatsoever.. until.. of
course.. it was time to debase the share values |
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On May 11, 11:12 am, "John Galt" <whoisjohng... at (no spam) bluebottle.com> wrote:
Quote: "reinhardt" <servicec... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:c5e81017-8bef-4771-9b42-909eb2f9e538 at (no spam) 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
book-cooking can always cover up reality.. which is why book-cooking
exists.. which is why accounting exists
the entire nation of India (or anywhere for that matter) could be
wiped off the map.. and the accountants would make it seem as if
nothing happened with no economic impact whatsoever.. until.. of
course.. it was time to debase the share values
****
[JG] There were elections in Karnataka (the state where Bangalore is) this
weekend. They had a whopping 44% voter turnout.
It's rather telling that when there are elections in India, they ban the
sale of alcohol during them.
JG
india is our future, snicker! |
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| Stray Dog... |
| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:34 am |
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On May 11, 12:26 pm, Vide... at (no spam) tcq.net wrote:
Quote: On May 11, 11:12 am, "John Galt" <whoisjohng... at (no spam) bluebottle.com> wrote:
"reinhardt" <servicec... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:c5e81017-8bef-4771-9b42-909eb2f9e538 at (no spam) 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
book-cooking can always cover up reality.. which is why book-cooking
exists.. which is why accounting exists
the entire nation of India (or anywhere for that matter) could be
wiped off the map.. and the accountants would make it seem as if
nothing happened with no economic impact whatsoever.. until.. of
course.. it was time to debase the share values
****
[JG] There were elections in Karnataka (the state where Bangalore is) this
weekend. They had a whopping 44% voter turnout.
It's rather telling that when there are elections in India, they ban the
sale of alcohol during them.
JG
india is our future, snicker!
Are you kidding? Or..did you mean that the USA should have its own
"Naxalites"? |
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On May 11, 12:34 pm, Stray Dog <straydog2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On May 11, 12:26 pm, Vide... at (no spam) tcq.net wrote:
On May 11, 11:12 am, "John Galt" <whoisjohng... at (no spam) bluebottle.com> wrote:
"reinhardt" <servicec... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:c5e81017-8bef-4771-9b42-909eb2f9e538 at (no spam) 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
book-cooking can always cover up reality.. which is why book-cooking
exists.. which is why accounting exists
the entire nation of India (or anywhere for that matter) could be
wiped off the map.. and the accountants would make it seem as if
nothing happened with no economic impact whatsoever.. until.. of
course.. it was time to debase the share values
****
[JG] There were elections in Karnataka (the state where Bangalore is) this
weekend. They had a whopping 44% voter turnout.
It's rather telling that when there are elections in India, they ban the
sale of alcohol during them.
JG
india is our future, snicker!
Are you kidding? Or..did you mean that the USA should have its own
"Naxalites"?
galt is a true believer who said just that a couple of weeks ago as
he was in india, he said this was our future. i said yep, it is,
spreading tent cities, sprawling growing slums and ghetto's. |
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| John Galt... |
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"reinhardt" <servicecall at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:c5e81017-8bef-4771-9b42-909eb2f9e538 at (no spam) 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
book-cooking can always cover up reality.. which is why book-cooking
exists.. which is why accounting exists
the entire nation of India (or anywhere for that matter) could be
wiped off the map.. and the accountants would make it seem as if
nothing happened with no economic impact whatsoever.. until.. of
course.. it was time to debase the share values
****
[JG] There were elections in Karnataka (the state where Bangalore is) this
weekend. They had a whopping 44% voter turnout.
It's rather telling that when there are elections in India, they ban the
sale of alcohol during them.
JG |
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| Stray Dog... |
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On May 11, 2:57 pm, Vide... at (no spam) tcq.net wrote:
Quote: On May 11, 12:34 pm, Stray Dog <straydog2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 11, 12:26 pm, Vide... at (no spam) tcq.net wrote:
On May 11, 11:12 am, "John Galt" <whoisjohng... at (no spam) bluebottle.com> wrote:
"reinhardt" <servicec... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:c5e81017-8bef-4771-9b42-909eb2f9e538 at (no spam) 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
book-cooking can always cover up reality.. which is why book-cooking
exists.. which is why accounting exists
the entire nation of India (or anywhere for that matter) could be
wiped off the map.. and the accountants would make it seem as if
nothing happened with no economic impact whatsoever.. until.. of
course.. it was time to debase the share values
****
[JG] There were elections in Karnataka (the state where Bangalore is) this
weekend. They had a whopping 44% voter turnout.
It's rather telling that when there are elections in India, they ban the
sale of alcohol during them.
JG
india is our future, snicker!
Are you kidding? Or..did you mean that the USA should have its own
"Naxalites"?
galt is a true believer who said just that a couple of weeks ago as
he was in india, he said this was our future. i said yep, it is,
spreading tent cities, sprawling growing slums and ghetto's.
When you look at the fact that the upper 1% own 30-60% of all the
world assets, and the lower 50-60% own nothing, and the other 39+% own
40+%, and then think "There is nothing to worry about since the
world's economy can get along fine among that 39%, and all we have to
do is forget all of those 50-60% who are or will be homeless" then,
yes, we will be (or already are) like India: a very small number of
very rich, a larger fraction of "average" guys, and a very large
fraction of serfs/peasants who will grovel out of everyone else's
sight.
So, what everyone is doing is just "forgetting" about almost 2/3 of
all the people in the world and, of course, all of their problems.
And, of course, the economists will be able to "prove" progress since
the sum of the wealth of the upper 1% will have gone up greatly, the
sum of the wealth of the new "middle class" will have gone up a
little, and forget the poor, so, sure, the average GDP, etc., will go
up, and the economists will tell us:
"Yeah, cool, eh!" |
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On May 11, 8:23 pm, Stray Dog <straydog2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On May 11, 2:57 pm, Vide... at (no spam) tcq.net wrote:
On May 11, 12:34 pm, Stray Dog <straydog2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 11, 12:26 pm, Vide... at (no spam) tcq.net wrote:
On May 11, 11:12 am, "John Galt" <whoisjohng... at (no spam) bluebottle.com> wrote:
"reinhardt" <servicec... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:c5e81017-8bef-4771-9b42-909eb2f9e538 at (no spam) 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
book-cooking can always cover up reality.. which is why book-cooking
exists.. which is why accounting exists
the entire nation of India (or anywhere for that matter) could be
wiped off the map.. and the accountants would make it seem as if
nothing happened with no economic impact whatsoever.. until.. of
course.. it was time to debase the share values
****
[JG] There were elections in Karnataka (the state where Bangalore is) this
weekend. They had a whopping 44% voter turnout.
It's rather telling that when there are elections in India, they ban the
sale of alcohol during them.
JG
india is our future, snicker!
Are you kidding? Or..did you mean that the USA should have its own
"Naxalites"?
galt is a true believer who said just that a couple of weeks ago as
he was in india, he said this was our future. i said yep, it is,
spreading tent cities, sprawling growing slums and ghetto's.
When you look at the fact that the upper 1% own 30-60% of all the
world assets, and the lower 50-60% own nothing, and the other 39+% own
40+%, and then think "There is nothing to worry about since the
world's economy can get along fine among that 39%, and all we have to
do is forget all of those 50-60% who are or will be homeless" then,
yes, we will be (or already are) like India: a very small number of
very rich, a larger fraction of "average" guys, and a very large
fraction of serfs/peasants who will grovel out of everyone else's
sight.
So, what everyone is doing is just "forgetting" about almost 2/3 of
all the people in the world and, of course, all of their problems.
And, of course, the economists will be able to "prove" progress since
the sum of the wealth of the upper 1% will have gone up greatly, the
sum of the wealth of the new "middle class" will have gone up a
little, and forget the poor, so, sure, the average GDP, etc., will go
up, and the economists will tell us:
"Yeah, cool, eh!"
unproductive wealth enhanced by conservative libertarian theology
will always look for ways for the dis-enfranchised to go away. in the
old days, it was high walls and a police state. then they tried war
and the useless eater theory. millions perished, and the ideologues
were beaten. not for long though. hayek and friedman resurrected the
theology by window dressing it as a poverty fighter, pure
machavillian, and my hats off to them for their ability to get so
many, to against their own best self interests. they did it better
than the poison dwarf ever could.
the poor and dis-enfranchised will never go away no matter how many
the free market can jail or kill. the neutron bomb was at one time
under ray-gun, the magic bullet that will rid the world of the dis-
enfranchised. till it was pointed out to them that they need serfs and
consumers, drat, foiled again. so we load up our jails, and be ever
more brutal. conservative economics always ends poorly. this bout will
be no different. |
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It's rather telling that when there are elections in India, they ban the
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banning alcohol makes it seem like voting matters |
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| Stray Dog... |
| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:59 am |
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On May 12, 10:08 am, The Trucker <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Quote: On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:23:39 -0700, Stray Dog wrote:
On May 11, 2:57 pm, Vide... at (no spam) tcq.net wrote:
On May 11, 12:34 pm, Stray Dog <straydog2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 11, 12:26 pm, Vide... at (no spam) tcq.net wrote:
On May 11, 11:12 am, "John Galt" <whoisjohng... at (no spam) bluebottle.com> wrote:
"reinhardt" <servicec... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:c5e81017-8bef-4771-9b42-909eb2f9e538 at (no spam) 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
book-cooking can always cover up reality.. which is why book-cooking
exists.. which is why accounting exists
the entire nation of India (or anywhere for that matter) could be
wiped off the map.. and the accountants would make it seem as if
nothing happened with no economic impact whatsoever.. until.. of
course.. it was time to debase the share values
****
[JG] There were elections in Karnataka (the state where Bangalore is) this
weekend. They had a whopping 44% voter turnout.
It's rather telling that when there are elections in India, they ban the
sale of alcohol during them.
JG
india is our future, snicker!
Are you kidding? Or..did you mean that the USA should have its own
"Naxalites"?
galt is a true believer who said just that a couple of weeks ago as
he was in india, he said this was our future. i said yep, it is,
spreading tent cities, sprawling growing slums and ghetto's.
When you look at the fact that the upper 1% own 30-60% of all the
world assets, and the lower 50-60% own nothing, and the other 39+% own
40+%, and then think "There is nothing to worry about since the
world's economy can get along fine among that 39%, and all we have to
do is forget all of those 50-60% who are or will be homeless" then,
yes, we will be (or already are) like India: a very small number of
very rich, a larger fraction of "average" guys, and a very large
fraction of serfs/peasants who will grovel out of everyone else's
sight.
So, what everyone is doing is just "forgetting" about almost 2/3 of
all the people in the world and, of course, all of their problems.
And, of course, the economists will be able to "prove" progress since
the sum of the wealth of the upper 1% will have gone up greatly, the
sum of the wealth of the new "middle class" will have gone up a
little, and forget the poor, so, sure, the average GDP, etc., will go
up, and the economists will tell us:
"Yeah, cool, eh!"
The "Royal Libertarian" or latter day Republican theology is that
although relative poverty is increasing (wealth divergence), the actual
_real_ poverty, as measured in the number of people that starve to death
each year, is decreasing.
Well, _they_ can dig up any "conclusion" they want. I've noticed for
years that if a liberal think tank does some study, they come up with
liberal conclusions. If a conservative think tank...they come up with
conservative conclusions.
They _believe_ that the very rich become rich
Quote: and stay rich by developing the resources and building the markets that
serve the overall society.
Or...in other words...trickle-down (or less) is all that is needed.
Quote: For in a "free market" it is not possible for
a firm to profit unless that firm actually serves the
market.
Yeah, I get your drift. However, I recall reading somewhere that Cuba,
right now, has a GDP that is expanding at 7.5% per year and that ain't
no "free market."
Quote: The problem with this lie from the Royal Libertarians and Republicans is
their refusal to understand that natural resources are fixed in supply,
totally unearned, and unearnable.
Well, my "spin" on this line of thinking is that the economy (and net
profits) can go any way they want but the criteria (two criterions)
I'm concerned about are: i) where is the poverty level, and ii) are
there more or less under that level now than before. All the studies
I've seen (well, 19 out of 20) say that all over the world, not just
US vs, India (for example), that the poor are poorer (while the middle
and top are doing fine)..
Quote: Due to the fixed nature of supply any
private ownership deprives all others my great grandfather made a deal
with your great grandfather conceding ownership of some particular
location and the mineral rights thereto.
Yeah, I see this as the "Great Landlord Swindle" or, "I own this land,
not you, and therefore you pay me rent or I kick you off" or,
otherwise known as "The Oldest Profession" that wiped out the "hunter-
gatherer" mode of life (nobody owns land, you just hunt and gather to
your heart's content).
If you get my drift.
That contract was invalid at
Quote: the time and is not binding on me. This observation concerning the non
earned and free nature of natural resources is the cornerstone of "all
created equal". The PRIVATIZATION of any fee or utility that is based on a
claim of natural resource ownership is referred to as economic rent.
And, landlords love to collect rent. Also, monopoly holders like
Microsoft. Once they pay their costs, its all free money after that.
In
Quote: any society that would pride itself on equal opportunity no "firm" or
person should have the right to privatize this rent without paying
compensation to those who are being excluded. And this is the bedrock of
"righteousness" on which The Single Tax on Land Value rests. It is also
the bedrock on which the non exploitation of local resources for global
gains is pinned.
But, what can you do about it? Not much if you ask me.
Otherwise, thanks for your insight and clarifications.
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"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jeffersonhttp://GreaterVoice.org/extend |
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On Sun, 11 May 2008 18:23:39 -0700, Stray Dog wrote:
Quote: On May 11, 2:57 pm, Vide... at (no spam) tcq.net wrote:
On May 11, 12:34 pm, Stray Dog <straydog2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 11, 12:26 pm, Vide... at (no spam) tcq.net wrote:
On May 11, 11:12 am, "John Galt" <whoisjohng... at (no spam) bluebottle.com> wrote:
"reinhardt" <servicec... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:c5e81017-8bef-4771-9b42-909eb2f9e538 at (no spam) 34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
book-cooking can always cover up reality.. which is why book-cooking
exists.. which is why accounting exists
the entire nation of India (or anywhere for that matter) could be
wiped off the map.. and the accountants would make it seem as if
nothing happened with no economic impact whatsoever.. until.. of
course.. it was time to debase the share values
****
[JG] There were elections in Karnataka (the state where Bangalore is) this
weekend. They had a whopping 44% voter turnout.
It's rather telling that when there are elections in India, they ban the
sale of alcohol during them.
JG
india is our future, snicker!
Are you kidding? Or..did you mean that the USA should have its own
"Naxalites"?
galt is a true believer who said just that a couple of weeks ago as
he was in india, he said this was our future. i said yep, it is,
spreading tent cities, sprawling growing slums and ghetto's.
When you look at the fact that the upper 1% own 30-60% of all the
world assets, and the lower 50-60% own nothing, and the other 39+% own
40+%, and then think "There is nothing to worry about since the
world's economy can get along fine among that 39%, and all we have to
do is forget all of those 50-60% who are or will be homeless" then,
yes, we will be (or already are) like India: a very small number of
very rich, a larger fraction of "average" guys, and a very large
fraction of serfs/peasants who will grovel out of everyone else's
sight.
So, what everyone is doing is just "forgetting" about almost 2/3 of
all the people in the world and, of course, all of their problems.
And, of course, the economists will be able to "prove" progress since
the sum of the wealth of the upper 1% will have gone up greatly, the
sum of the wealth of the new "middle class" will have gone up a
little, and forget the poor, so, sure, the average GDP, etc., will go
up, and the economists will tell us:
"Yeah, cool, eh!"
The "Royal Libertarian" or latter day Republican theology is that
although relative poverty is increasing (wealth divergence), the actual
_real_ poverty, as measured in the number of people that starve to death
each year, is decreasing. They _believe_ that the very rich become rich
and stay rich by developing the resources and building the markets that
serve the overall society. For in a "free market" it is not possible for
a firm to profit unless that firm actually serves the market.
The problem with this lie from the Royal Libertarians and Republicans is
their refusal to understand that natural resources are fixed in supply,
totally unearned, and unearnable. Due to the fixed nature of supply any
private ownership deprives all others my great grandfather made a deal
with your great grandfather conceding ownership of some particular
location and the mineral rights thereto. That contract was invalid at
the time and is not binding on me. This observation concerning the non
earned and free nature of natural resources is the cornerstone of "all
created equal". The PRIVATIZATION of any fee or utility that is based on a
claim of natural resource ownership is referred to as economic rent. In
any society that would pride itself on equal opportunity no "firm" or
person should have the right to privatize this rent without paying
compensation to those who are being excluded. And this is the bedrock of
"righteousness" on which The Single Tax on Land Value rests. It is also
the bedrock on which the non exploitation of local resources for global
gains is pinned.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
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"reinhardt" <servicecall at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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It's rather telling that when there are elections in India, they ban the
sale of alcohol during them.
banning alcohol makes it seem like voting matters
To you, perhaps.
JG
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