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Judity...
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:35 am
Guest
If I understand what Senators Clinton and McCain are saying, they want
to have the gas tax stopped during the summer months. It would start
on Memorial Day, May 26, through Labor Day, September 1. Remember,
Memorial Day is only a couple weeks away. Nice idea, right?

Am I wrong in thinking this would have to be approved by Congress and
President Bush? Putting aside the latter, when has Congress ever
moved that quickly?

Have any of you seen the Comcast TV turtles commercials?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLs7DSxsLog
If you've ever watched C-Span or C-Span2, you know Congress, both the
House and Senate, moves about as fast as Bill Slowsky does.

Judity
Judity...
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:20 am
Guest
Kim, I don't keep track of my gas, just every few weeks put in $20
dollars' worth. If that gas tax holiday had not been just a simple
way to get more votes, I probably would have saved only a couple
dollars, if that.

Being a bit of a news junkie, I've been watching off and on the
various news people discussing the ongoing Clinton campaign. A great
movie title comes to mind. Oops, sorry! There already is a movie
called that, "The Neverending Story."

Yes, Anne, my tongue is firmly tucked in my left cheek at this point.
(grinning)

Judity
Anne V....
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:48 am
Guest
It sounds good in theory, but putting it into practice may be another story.
I also don't see any reason to think the oil companies would pass the
savings on to the consumer; I can't say their record-breaking profits during
a time when the American public is screaming for mercy gives me much
confidence.

And, IMO, you've hit the nail on the head. These 2 candidates are making
promises they have no way of keeping. I firmly believe it's just a ploy to
make it sound like they really care about the plight of the working class so
they'll pull the right lever in the voting booth.

I also don't believe there's a single economist in the country who feels
this is a good idea. Whether or not their assessment carries any weight is
up to the individual, though.

Now, Judity, do I sense a bit of tongue-in-cheek in your post? <G>

Anne

"Judity" <Judity01 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
If I understand what Senators Clinton and McCain are saying, they want
to have the gas tax stopped during the summer months. It would start
on Memorial Day, May 26, through Labor Day, September 1. Remember,
Memorial Day is only a couple weeks away. Nice idea, right?

Am I wrong in thinking this would have to be approved by Congress and
President Bush? Putting aside the latter, when has Congress ever
moved that quickly?

Have any of you seen the Comcast TV turtles commercials?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLs7DSxsLog
If you've ever watched C-Span or C-Span2, you know Congress, both the
House and Senate, moves about as fast as Bill Slowsky does.

Judity
Jeannie...
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:38 pm
Guest
Judity <Judity01 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in news:5a766012-f7c6-42bf-a2a3-
3793bc9aea8f at (no spam) j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com:

Quote:
If I understand what Senators Clinton and McCain are saying, they want
to have the gas tax stopped during the summer months. It would start
on Memorial Day, May 26, through Labor Day, September 1. Remember,
Memorial Day is only a couple weeks away. Nice idea, right?

I don't think it's a nice idea at all. Plus, if the feds cannot help with
cutting interest rates any more to help the housing market, how in the
world do they expect to get a gas tax holiday under-way? I also think it's
a bad idea because gas taxes go to things like road repairs, bridge
rebuilding and repairs, etc. They would have to get that money from
somewhere else.

I also think that if they try to regulate gas prices too much that the
refiners can just stop refining and refuse to sell it at a reduced cost.


That....and don't both of them support proposing a "cap and trade
market"??? on carbon emissions to help "combat" man-made global warming?
IIRC an article I read on that stated that in and of itself would raise gas
prices approx 35 cents per gallon and also raise your home electric costs.
Maybe they are supporting the holiday so we all won't be so ticked off when
the other thing they are supporting goes through and it's raised so much.
The Other Kim...
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:24 pm
Guest
Sure, it sounds nice, but it won't do a damn thing. First, the oil
companies will see that people are willing to buy gas at the current
price so they'll just keep it there. Secondly, that gas tax money goes
to fund freeways, roads, bridges, etc. No money comes in, no work gets
done, many people find themselves out of work. Not a good thing at all.

Also, I just calculated how much I'd "save" without the gas tax. Comes
to a rip-roaring $2.11 per tank. Now figure I'll need about 14 tanks to
get through the summer, and you have a whopping $29.54, not even enough
for one fill-up.

The Other Kim
kimmeratsoylentgreenfielddotcom



"Judity" <Judity01 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
If I understand what Senators Clinton and McCain are saying, they want
to have the gas tax stopped during the summer months. It would start
on Memorial Day, May 26, through Labor Day, September 1. Remember,
Memorial Day is only a couple weeks away. Nice idea, right?

Am I wrong in thinking this would have to be approved by Congress and
President Bush? Putting aside the latter, when has Congress ever
moved that quickly?

Have any of you seen the Comcast TV turtles commercials?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLs7DSxsLog
If you've ever watched C-Span or C-Span2, you know Congress, both the
House and Senate, moves about as fast as Bill Slowsky does.

Judity
Marsha...
Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:28 pm
Guest
Jeannie wrote:
Quote:
I don't think it's a nice idea at all. Plus, if the feds cannot help with
cutting interest rates any more to help the housing market, how in the
world do they expect to get a gas tax holiday under-way?
snip



We can thank people like Obama for helping to create the current mortage
crisis through the "Community Reinvestment Act.", which forced banks to
make loans to people who were poor credit risks.

Marsha/Ohio
Jeannie...
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:44 am
Guest
Marsha <mas at (no spam) xeb.net> wrote in news:fvthg2$tg4$1 at (no spam) news.datemas.de:

Quote:
We can thank people like Obama for helping to create the current mortage
crisis through the "Community Reinvestment Act.", which forced banks to
make loans to people who were poor credit risks.

I highly doubt that is the sole reason for the country's current mortgage
crisis. I know of many people, in modest houses, who made PLENTY of money
and were at no credit risk until they were the victim of lay-offs or firing
due to outsourcing and wound up with no benefits, no income, NOTHING, who
have had their cars repossessed, their houses are in foreclosure, etc.
Those people, who have been self-sufficient their entire lives as working
members of the community, working hard to keep and maintain their credit
score are now going to be considered poor credit risks. IMO, that's one of
the main reasons why the country is in a mortgage crisis - layoffs,
offshoring work, etc.- that and gas costs an arm and a leg, food is now
costing an arm and a leg, and the medical costs our astronomical even for
those who are fortunate enough to have insurance through their employer.
Obama isn't to blame for those - at least not all by himself.
Judity...
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:21 am
Guest
Barbara, funny you should mention property taxes. I was looking
yesterday through financial papers on my Oakland home I sold back in
1980. The property tax that year was..stifle your gag reflex...$90.
Yup, that was for a home I bought for around $19,000 and sold for over
$55,000.

I bought this one much smaller Hansel and Gretel home for $69,400, and
my property tax for 2007-2008 was $1,365.66 on my home's new increased
value. It would have been higher except for the homeowners exemption
I applied for when I bought this property.

Since I didn't trust the greedy government politicians to keep their
hands off the mortgage interest deduction, I worked two jobs for years
to pay off my mortgage back in 1995. Do you ever wonder how long it
will be before that deduction goes the way of the credit card
deductions we used to have?

Judity
Anne V....
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:34 am
Guest
I'm with you on that, Jeannie. There are a lot of aspects to the mortgage
crisis, many of which I admittedly don't understand, but I have to say that
Marsha's comment was the first time I've ever heard someone try to lay the
blame at Obama's door.

The cost of everything these days is truly frightening, even without losing
your job. The thought of being without a job on top of it... That's the
stuff they make nightmares out of.

Anne

"Jeannie" <jwilson421 at (no spam) comcastspamkills.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
I highly doubt that is the sole reason for the country's current mortgage
crisis. I know of many people, in modest houses, who made PLENTY of money
and were at no credit risk until they were the victim of lay-offs or
firing
due to outsourcing and wound up with no benefits, no income, NOTHING, who
have had their cars repossessed, their houses are in foreclosure, etc.
Those people, who have been self-sufficient their entire lives as working
members of the community, working hard to keep and maintain their credit
score are now going to be considered poor credit risks. IMO, that's one
of
the main reasons why the country is in a mortgage crisis - layoffs,
offshoring work, etc.- that and gas costs an arm and a leg, food is now
costing an arm and a leg, and the medical costs our astronomical even for
those who are fortunate enough to have insurance through their employer.
Obama isn't to blame for those - at least not all by himself.
Barbara Carlson...
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:33 pm
Guest
Yes, and what people are not even talking about--property taxes are more
than 5x greater than they were when we bought out property, and our house is
uninsurable at an affordable rate. They want a $9,000 premium, will not
insure it for less than $400,000 (which is out of range) and there is a 10%
deductible for wind damage. Hurricane Andrew did NOT do $40,000 worth of
damage to our house.

We bought our house for $250,000 which we could afford. It is now assessed
(and we have made no major improvements for $1,200,000. We could not sell
it for that, and we cannot afford a house of that value. So, we have been
forced into trying to sell some of our land, even though we do not want to,
and at a time when values have dropped dramatically. We are fighting the
assessment, but even if they drop it drastically we can't afford it.

I am quite frankly bitter and depressed. We have worked hard all our lives
and it seems we are losing it. We don't want to move, but we may be forced
to.

The only way our government (remember the government is US) can finance any
of the things it has spent, or is promising, is to sell off more our country
to foreigners.

I'm glad I have no grandchildren.

Barb C.
"Jeannie" <jwilson421 at (no spam) comcastspamkills.net> wrote in message
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Marsha <mas at (no spam) xeb.net> wrote in news:fvthg2$tg4$1 at (no spam) news.datemas.de:

We can thank people like Obama for helping to create the current mortage
crisis through the "Community Reinvestment Act.", which forced banks to
make loans to people who were poor credit risks.

I highly doubt that is the sole reason for the country's current mortgage
crisis. I know of many people, in modest houses, who made PLENTY of money
and were at no credit risk until they were the victim of lay-offs or
firing
due to outsourcing and wound up with no benefits, no income, NOTHING, who
have had their cars repossessed, their houses are in foreclosure, etc.
Those people, who have been self-sufficient their entire lives as working
members of the community, working hard to keep and maintain their credit
score are now going to be considered poor credit risks. IMO, that's one
of
the main reasons why the country is in a mortgage crisis - layoffs,
offshoring work, etc.- that and gas costs an arm and a leg, food is now
costing an arm and a leg, and the medical costs our astronomical even for
those who are fortunate enough to have insurance through their employer.
Obama isn't to blame for those - at least not all by himself.
Marsha...
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:06 pm
Guest
Jeannie wrote:
Quote:
Marsha <mas at (no spam) xeb.net> wrote in news:fvthg2$tg4$1 at (no spam) news.datemas.de:
We can thank people like Obama for helping to create the current mortage
crisis through the "Community Reinvestment Act.", which forced banks to
make loans to people who were poor credit risks.


I highly doubt that is the sole reason for the country's current mortgage
crisis.

You might want to read that again, Jeannie. I said "helping" to create,
not "sole reason."

Marsha/Ohio
Marsha...
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:33 pm
Guest
Anne V. wrote:
Quote:
I'm with you on that, Jeannie. There are a lot of aspects to the mortgage
crisis, many of which I admittedly don't understand, but I have to say that
Marsha's comment was the first time I've ever heard someone try to lay the
blame at Obama's door.


Read again, Anne. No one is laying the blame solely on Obama. I said
he is part of the reason. The Community Reinvestment Act is something
Obama supported and was part of - an act that forced banks to make loans
to people who were poor credit risks, mostly minorities. Of course, the
other part of the problem is stupid people who went way in over their
heads because they had to "keep up with the Joneses" and now want to
blame someone else and want the government to bail them out. Either
way, this mess could all have been prevented with common sense,
something that seems to be sorely lacking these days.

Marsha/Ohio
Neal...
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:56 pm
Guest
Let's see now. Obama was born 8/4/61. The Community Reinvestment Act was
enacted in 1977. Obama would have been about 16 at that time. Now please
explain how he is part of the reason.

Neal


"Marsha" <mas at (no spam) xeb.net> wrote in message news:g00d5j$enb$2 at (no spam) news.datemas.de...
Quote:
Anne V. wrote:
I'm with you on that, Jeannie. There are a lot of aspects to the
mortgage crisis, many of which I admittedly don't understand, but I have
to say that Marsha's comment was the first time I've ever heard someone
try to lay the blame at Obama's door.


Read again, Anne. No one is laying the blame solely on Obama. I said he
is part of the reason. The Community Reinvestment Act is something Obama
supported and was part of - an act that forced banks to make loans to
people who were poor credit risks, mostly minorities. Of course, the
other part of the problem is stupid people who went way in over their
heads because they had to "keep up with the Joneses" and now want to blame
someone else and want the government to bail them out. Either way, this
mess could all have been prevented with common sense, something that seems
to be sorely lacking these days.

Marsha/Ohio
RaeMorrill...
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:34 pm
Guest
That was good detective work, Neal! I'm not behind anyone at this point,
but I don't believe everyone in financial trouble is to blame for bad
decisions. Some of the lending schemes out there are so bad I believe
some states have banned them or put controls on them. You don't have to
have borrowed to the hilt to be screwed if you lose a job through no
fault of your own. Anyone who is not independently wealthy would likely
find themselves in the same shoes - but because it didn't happen to them
sometimes it's easy to sit on a high horse. In this market, even if one
were trying to sell and get out from under a mortgage, they might not be
able to. Homes are sittting stagnant for months and more at this point
around here. Expenses go up and pay rates don't. Heck, I filled the
truck up tonight. It was showing low range and took around 22 gallons.
It cost me 83 bucks and change. Course I don't drive that all the time,
but people who live where I do and commute are paying dearly to commute.
If they didn't commute, the real estate prices for property and property
tax would likely cost them as much or more.


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Judity...
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:12 am
Guest
((We just didn't buy what we
couldn't afford, and we still don't. ))

Phyllis, I've lived that way all during my working career, and it was
difficult at times. That habit has stayed with me into my retirement
years where my income is very much less. The only thing I splurge now
on is cat food since they deserve the best I can give them.

I still remember lusting over a gorgeous ring with a lavender jade
center stone surrounded by diamond and amethyst gems. I saw this in a
jewelry store window display almost 20 years ago. The first time I
saw it, the sun was shining on the ring, making the entire ring glow.
Every day after that, once I saw the price tag of $2,000, I'd go by
the jewelry store and just stand by the window dreaming of owning that
ring.

Let's see! Ring---cats, pretty ring---purring cats. Which gives me
more enjoyment?

Judity
 
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