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| Stumpy... |
 Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:59 am |
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We just switched over to DSL from modem on home computers. Put DSL filters
on the handsets in the house and also on the cord going to the computer
modems. When we try to receive faxes only one of the computers will even
attempt to "answer" the call. Is it possible that the two middle wires that
we are using on the wires running through the house are reversed on the
non-functioning modem? Both computers could previously do this. The
suspect line can operate a telephone no problem. Seems odd to work on one,
but not the other. The junction box on the exterior of the house has red to
red and green to green, haven't yet figured out which connection goes to
which outlet. Should I randomly try reversing some wires or does it even
matter? |
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| JeffM... |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:59 am |
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| Stumpy... |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:57 pm |
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Quote: Stumpy wrote:
We just switched over to DSL from modem on home computers.
You've been using Usenet long enough
that you should know how (and when) to cross-post:
I thought cross-posting was the ultimate sin. Multi-posting was the better
alternative! |
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| Michael Black... |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:52 pm |
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On Mon, 5 May 2008, Stumpy wrote:
Quote: Stumpy wrote:
We just switched over to DSL from modem on home computers.
You've been using Usenet long enough
that you should know how (and when) to cross-post:
I thought cross-posting was the ultimate sin. Multi-posting was the better
alternative!
Hitting more than one newsgroup when there is rarely any need to do so
is the ultimate sin.
If there really is a reason to hit more than none newsgroup at a time,
and there usually isn't, then there is nothing to do but cross-post.
There is absolutely no reason to multiple post.
It causes more resources to be used, in the transmission of the
message and in the storage at every newsserver. A cross-posted message
is only one message, a multiple posted message is however many newsgroups
one posts to.
It causes disjointed discussion. For those who actually see the message
in multiple newsgroups, which one should they answer it in? But then
usually different groups see the message in each newsgroup, so it's not
one total discussion, but the same discussion in different places. So
the same answers get repeated, since a poster in newsgroup A won't see
that someone has already posted such a reply to newsgroup B. And the neat
thing about newsgroup discussions is that someone says something, and that
causes someone to add something or even make a big leap based on a
previous reply. But, with multiple posting that doesn't happen since
the posters don't see the replies from other newsgroups.
Now, once again there is very little reason to cross-post. The people
multiple posting are generally clueless, so they carpet bomb the
newsgroups rather than figure out the most appropriate one, or at least
posting to one and then trying a different one if they don't get a
response in the first one.
Cross-posters are usually equally clueless, but at least their damage
isn't as bad as the multiple poster.
You've made the mistake of reading "cross-posting is bad" as meaning
that method is wrong rather than the results.
Michael |
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| Stumpy... |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:42 pm |
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Quote:
If there really is a reason to hit more than none newsgroup at a time,
and there usually isn't, then there is nothing to do but cross-post.
There is absolutely no reason to multiple post.
It causes more resources to be used, in the transmission of the
message and in the storage at every newsserver. A cross-posted message
is only one message, a multiple posted message is however many newsgroups
one posts to.
It causes disjointed discussion. For those who actually see the message
in multiple newsgroups, which one should they answer it in? But then
usually different groups see the message in each newsgroup, so it's not
one total discussion, but the same discussion in different places. So
the same answers get repeated, since a poster in newsgroup A won't see
that someone has already posted such a reply to newsgroup B. And the neat
thing about newsgroup discussions is that someone says something, and that
causes someone to add something or even make a big leap based on a
previous reply. But, with multiple posting that doesn't happen since
the posters don't see the replies from other newsgroups.
Now, once again there is very little reason to cross-post. The people
multiple posting are generally clueless, so they carpet bomb the
newsgroups rather than figure out the most appropriate one, or at least
posting to one and then trying a different one if they don't get a
response in the first one.
Cross-posters are usually equally clueless, but at least their damage
isn't as bad as the multiple poster.
You've made the mistake of reading "cross-posting is bad" as meaning
that method is wrong rather than the results.
Michael
Got it!
The system did work for me. I asked a question in 2 places and learned
something in both. In S.E.basics I found out that the wires in the fone
line can be reversed with no repercussions. It saved me a climb up a ladder
for my next troubleshooting step and I appreciate that. And in S.E.misc I
learned that cross-posting may be acceptable in some circumstances. |
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:45 pm |
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Stumpy wrote:
Quote: Stumpy wrote:
We just switched over to DSL from modem on home computers.
You've been using Usenet long enough
that you should know how (and when) to cross-post:
I thought cross-posting was the ultimate sin.
Not when the subject is on-topic for all the groups in question, in which case
it's the preferred method.
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| Eeyore... |
| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:48 pm |
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Stumpy wrote:
Quote: The system did work for me. I asked a question in 2 places and learned
something in both. In S.E.basics I found out that the wires in the fone
line can be reversed with no repercussions.
Which you would also have found out with cross-posting, PLUS anyone else
responding here would have seen it TOO.
Usenet is supposed to be for everyone's advantage not just your own.
Graham |
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