On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:05:39 -0400, "Scott Hedrick"

dinehnmNOS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

"Richard Casady" <richardcas... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
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They still are about that, or were before
the butt fell off the dollar.

See? I told ya to save all them Canadian quarters!

I like the dime, but then I built a plastic model of the Bluenose when
I was a kid.

Casady

Are we living in an era of denial, insanity or stupidity?

I can't think

Hey, you NASA guys want larger budgets??? SSP is the path to
long term public and Congressional support.

..lack of foresight is exceeded only by it's
..lack of backbone.

On Thu, 8 May 2008 17:40:51 -0400, "Scott Hedrick"
dinehnmNOSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:


"Lloyd" <lparker at (no spam) emory.edu> wrote in message
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What happened to Bush's promise in 2000 to use his connections with
the Saudis to keep oil prices down?

It's *working*. The demand has skyrocketed, particularly because of China.
We should have seen these prices years ago.

Yes, China. I wish the US didn't do business with them: they don't
like us and the leadership are scum.
I think China has quite a bit of coal.

As can the US, we have vast quantities of the coal and a fair ammount
of oil. Canada has vast ammounts of tar sands. I believe they are
developing them as fast as they can.

I wonder how high the price can go.

They still are about that, or were before
the butt fell off the dollar.

On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:53:17 -0400, in a place far, far away, Alain
Fournier <alain245 at (no spam) sympatico.ca> made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:


Fred J. McCall wrote:


Poetic Justice < at (no spam) http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote:
:
:Great then put up wind mills and the panic is over, sell the power and
:we need no tax to cure Global Warming.
:

And what's the result of taking all that energy out of the weather
systems?

Negligible.


Or is this another "let's solve it without understanding what we're
doing" scheme?

A windmill has approximately the same effect on weather patterns as
a large sequoia tree. We already have many such trees and they don't
seam to be a big problem.

We don't have that many sequoias. Just in California, and if by
"large" you mean giant, there are actually very few. But how do you
know they don't cause problems? You have no idea how much better
things might be without them, because we haven't done the experiment.

"Richard Casady" <richardcasady at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:484fa5ae.1549806406 at (no spam) news.east.earthlink.net...
They still are about that, or were before
the butt fell off the dollar.

See? I told ya to save all them Canadian quarters!

I like the dime, but then I built a plastic model of the Bluenose when

On May 11, 7:19 pm, richardcas... at (no spam) earthlink.net (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:05:39 -0400, "Scott Hedrick"

dinehnmNOS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

"Richard Casady" <richardcas... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:484fa5ae.1549806406 at (no spam) news.east.earthlink.net...
They still are about that, or were before
the butt fell off the dollar.

See? I told ya to save all them Canadian quarters!

I like the dime, but then I built a plastic model of the Bluenose when
I was a kid.

Casady

It's all a fun game, isn't it. Doesn't matter how much grief and
death comes to others. Isn't Usenet/Groups so warm and fuzzy, and
without every a speck of remorse.
. - Brad Guth

Dubai.

One thing space solar power does have is a fairly good energy return
on energy investment. Even with losses of close to 60% from the
electrolysis and liquification of H2, a power satellite could put its
twin in orbit in under two years.

A Gw year (Gwyr?) is worth about $1G, or will be soon. That works out
to about half the cost of delivery at the going rate, about $20000/Kg
for a 25yr lifespan, 25000 ton 5Gw sps. At $2000/Kg to leo the sps
option merits serious study.

The developement of space solar to power ion drives and hall thrusters
for robotic missions and equipment transport would have independant
merit, but so much the better if this ties into what should be NASA's
ultimate pie pan in the sky purpose. Absurd, possibly; audacious...
well that was part of the job discription that resulted in tranquility
base.

BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 11, 7:19 pm, richardcas... at (no spam) earthlink.net (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Sun, 11 May 2008 21:05:39 -0400, "Scott Hedrick"

dinehnmNOS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

"Richard Casady" <richardcas... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:484fa5ae.1549806406 at (no spam) news.east.earthlink.net...
They still are about that, or were before
the butt fell off the dollar.

See? I told ya to save all them Canadian quarters!

I like the dime, but then I built a plastic model of the Bluenose when
I was a kid.

Casady

It's all a fun game, isn't it. Doesn't matter how much grief and
death comes to others. Isn't Usenet/Groups so warm and fuzzy, and
without every a speck of remorse.
. -BradGuth

Can you say just what the hell you are talking about, is there
anybody in the world that doesn't care what happens to others.

But how many people can actually do anything to avoid or
prevent others from grief and death?

The terrorists could if they stopped killing people.

People could be more aware of the weather and seek shelter
in time and be safe.

Other than that, just what the hell _are_ you talking about,
in a stupid newsgroup about a myth being used by scammers of all
kinds to make money and distort political views?

If you've got better science or better physics that explains why a
6400% inflation in fossil energy within 64 years is perfectly good to
go, then do share and share alike.

BradGuth wrote:

If you've got better science or better physics that explains why a
6400% inflation in fossil energy within 64 years is perfectly good to
go, then do share and share alike.

O , who can argue with that

Just a question

how do you "inflate" fossil energy ?

64 years ago was 1944.

For the USA inflation adjusted price of gasoline see

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2006_fcvt_fotw426....

$2.28 in 2005 dollars

Vince

BradGuth wrote:

If you've got better science or better physics that explains why a
6400% inflation in fossil energy within 64 years is perfectly good to
go, then do share and share alike.

O , who can argue with that

Just a question

how do you "inflate" fossil energy ?

64 years ago was 1944.

For the USA inflation adjusted price of gasoline see

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2006_fcvt_fotw426....

$2.28 in 2005 dollars

Vince

BradGuth wrote:

If you've got better science or better physics that explains why a
6400% inflation in fossil energy within 64 years is perfectly good to
go, then do share and share alike.

O , who can argue with that

Just a question

how do you "inflate" fossil energy ?

64 years ago was 1944.

For the USA inflation adjusted price of gasoline see

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2006_fcvt_fotw426....

$2.28 in 2005 dollars

Vince

BradGuth wrote:
On May 12, 7:13 am, Vincent Brannigan <fire... at (no spam) firelaw.us> wrote:
BradGuth wrote:

If you've got better science or better physics that explains why a
6400% inflation in fossil energy within 64 years is perfectly good to
go, then do share and share alike.
O , who can argue with that

Just a question

how do you "inflate" fossil energy ?

64 years ago was 1944.

For the USA inflation adjusted price of gasoline see

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2006_fcvt_fotw426....

$2.28 in 2005 dollars

Vince

If we all had the “USA inflation adjusted” income to go along with
your “USA inflation adjusted price of gasoline”, as such there
wouldn’t hardly any problem, whereas I too could manage to get by on
that USA inflation adjusted income of $10,000/month (same as $156.25/
mo as of 64 years ago).
. – Brad Guth

We have established that you can't read
now you prove that you cant multiply

the inflation correction for 156.25 in 1944 is $1,840.38 at the present
time

http://www.aier.org/research/cost-of-living-calculator/

Vincent M Brannigan

U of Maryland Consumer Economics Program
Assistant Prof 1977-83
Associate Prof 1983-1991
Professor 1991-92

have a nice day

BradGuth wrote:
On May 12, 7:13 am, Vincent Brannigan <fire... at (no spam) firelaw.us> wrote:
BradGuth wrote:

If you've got better science or better physics that explains why a
6400% inflation in fossil energy within 64 years is perfectly good to
go, then do share and share alike.
O , who can argue with that

Just a question

how do you "inflate" fossil energy ?

64 years ago was 1944.

For the USA inflation adjusted price of gasoline see

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2006_fcvt_fotw426....

$2.28 in 2005 dollars

Vince

What's the matter, isn't 6400% of fossil energy inflation in 64 years
quit good enough?

I can inflate balloons or prices or currency

But the laws of thermodynamics preclude inflating energy

The automation and technology of delivering fossil energy has more
than cut their man-hours/barrel to something far less than 10% of what
it used to take.

Even coal gasification is nearly all automated, at perhaps not 1% of
the original man-hours/barrel in the 1940's (such as what Germany had
to cope with).

By this time next year we'll be at or above the 64:1 inflation mark of
such energy cost, and most of everything else catching up by
unavoidably following suit at perhaps as great as 32:1 per 64 year
span.

In the 1940's the fossil fuel consumption average per individual
wasn't hardly anything to speak of (in many developing nations it was
nothing) and even next to nothing in China, so it's not exactly a fair
example of true global inflation, because if we'd been using as much
fossil energy per individual back in the 1940's would only make this
energy inflation seem much greater.

Playing games with words or numbers isn't making life any better or
more affordable, but then what our faith-based puppet government does
best is to snooker and dumbfound as many of us village idiots as they
can muster.
. - Brad Guth