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Being a little hot, buoyant and having 10% less gravity is actually a
darn good thing if you were a Venusian airship, even if limited as to
an oven-wrap or KetaSpire PEEK polyetheretherketone and fiber
reinforced balloon. Such fiber reinforced composites do exist,
although an outer skin of something in basic titanium shouldn’t be
excluded for this rigid airship configuration.
For this topic I have an unusual airship to R&D, as intended for a
rather toasty dry and calm environment. Think of this application as
a floating city if you like, or consider this one as merely a small or
as large as need be robotic probe that can remain efficiently aloft
for nearly unlimited time without much energy demand while drifting or
even when cruising along at perhaps an average air-speed of less than
10 m/s, as such wouldn’t demand but a few kw for managing a good sized
airship.
Taking into account the 1.75 kg/m3 by day and perhaps 2.5 kg/m3 of
nighttime buoyancy at 50 km is roughly worth twice that of any
terrestrial airship application, and for the most part it’s actually
fairly calm, kind of inert nice enough and even relatively cool
because it’s at such a good deal of altitude away from that geothermal
radiating planet, and otherwise operating within the nighttime season,
and still situated well enough below the bulk of those otherwise thick
and nasty acidic clouds.
Because the inert infrastructure of this rigid airship doesn’t change
per given altitude means that its hauling capacity or payload is
capable of becoming downright impressive, getting much better as one
operates at lower altitudes, such as below 35 km by season of day and
below 25 km by season of nighttime is where that robust S8/CO2
atmosphere is nearly crystal dry and clear for as far as you can see
(depending on terrain, roughly 500 km in all directions).
Initially, this is a very rigid composite and robust kind of mostly
robotic airship, intended as an extended expedition probe. It’s
somewhat of a conventional blimp like craft, except using a rigid
composite hull with a 6:1 L/W ratio instead of the more common
terrestrial 5:1.
In my way of thinking, it has a rather thick outer composite hull
that’s nicely insulative (critical science instrument/components area
being insulated by R-100 or better) as obviously acidic proof, not to
mention melt proof, not that its failsafe hydrogen gas displacement or
that of its vacuum worth of artificial buoyancy need be all that acid
proof or even having to be excessively cooled, because the bulk of
this airship can be rated for 811 K (1000°F).
There are four rather over-sized longitudinal stabilizer fins, used
for obvious flight stability, but also utilized for their heat-
exchanging functions, and otherwise a pair of midship underbelly
landing skids (just in case).
Its configuration might incorporate one fully ducted set of large
diameter counter-rotating pusher fans, plus four other fully rotatable
thrusters (two on either forward/aft side for a total boost of 10%
main engine thrust), that collectively can also be utilized as forward/
reverse motion thrusters. The maximum velocity potential of 100 m/s
need not be necessary, and certainly not one of those all or nothing
considerations, because 10 m/s is more than good enough unless
striving to migrate though those acidic clouds in order to cruise
essentially above the 75 km nighttime worth of those fast moving
clouds (80~85 km by day) .
This craft is not going to be your average Hindenburg, much less
flammable or otherwise combustible, although intended for efficiently
cruising about Venus where size and mass are of little concern when
having 64+ kg/m3 worth of buoyancy, and only 90.5% gravity to work
with is certainly going to avoid all sorts of inert mass
considerations that would have more than grounded the Hindenburg.
In addition to certain liquid fuels that can be safely incorporated,
there will be a pair of custom RTGs running at more than hot enough to
melt aluminum, and a likely Stirling thermal dynamic process of
utilizing that heat at roughly 25+% efficiency for all of the onboard
systems and main propulsion.
Getting rid of 75% worth of RTG heat shouldn’t be all that
insurmountable, especially with such a thermally conductive flow of
that toasty Venusian atmosphere flowing past, as worthy of roughly
10% the density of water, in that the closer we cruise to the
geothermally active surface the more dense and thermally conductive
becomes the surrounding S8 and CO2 atmosphere.
Once again, on behalf of Usenet/Group diehard naysayers, this topic is
not about our having to terraform Venus, or that of our having to
prance ourselves about in the buff, at least not without our trusty
OveGlove jumpsuit and portable CO2-->co/o2 plus heat-exchanging unit.
Instead, we’re talking mostly about a fully robotic craft that really
doesn’t care how hot and nasty it is outside, and may never have to
land for the next hundred years, with a future human flight configured
version that’s clearly scaled in sufficient volume in order to suit
the applications of sustaining human our frail life for extended
periods of time while cruising extensively at or below 25 km.
Even though Geoffrey Landis wisely publishes most everything of his
expertise as science fiction, it’s based entirely upon the regular
laws of physics, and for the most part using the best available
science. This doesn’t mean that I’d worship each and every published
word of Landis or from others of his kind, although it does fully
demonstrate that I’m not the one and only wise enough individual
that’s deductively thinking constructively and thus positively about
accomplishing those Venus expeditions.
Venus exploration papers / Geoffrey A. Landis
http://www.sff.net/people/geoffrey.landis/papers.html
Evaluation of Long Duration Flight on Venus / by Anthony J. Colozza
and Geoffrey A. Landis
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2006/TM-2006-214452.pdf
This paper was for the most part generated long after my having
insisted that such a mission via aircraft/airship was technically
doable, although this Geoffrey and Anthony version focused mostly on
behalf of solar powered and RTG as necessary, whereas such there’s
nothing much innovative or all that ground breaking to report,
especially since much of their airship application is operated within
a terrestrial like environment by way of keeping good altitude.
This is not saying that my ideas are of the one and only do-or-die
alternatives, as I’m not the least bit opposed to incorporating viable
alternatives, or having to share most of the credits with those having
contributed their honest expertise. In other words, I’m not the bad
guy here, nor am I interested in hearing from those having ulterior
motives or counter intentions of merely topic/author stalking and
bashing for all they can muster.
. – Brad Guth |
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:31 pm |
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On May 5, 6:32 pm, "Hagar" <hs... at (no spam) surewest.net> wrote:
Quote: "BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 5, 7:25 am, "Hagar" <ha... at (no spam) sahm.name> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Being a little hot, buoyant and having 10% less gravity is actually a
darn good thing if you were a Venusian airship, even if limited as to
an oven-wrap or KetaSpire PEEK polyetheretherketone and fiber
reinforced balloon. Such fiber reinforced composites do exist,
although an outer skin of something in basic titanium shouldn’t be
excluded for this rigid airship configuration.
snip drivel
And, pray tell Brad, where would the above ship be manufactured ?
On the surface of Venus, you say? I don't think so. Oh, I see ... you'd
build it on Mars and then have the Acme Intergalactic Airship Towing
Company move it to Venus and insert it into the proper orbit.
Good plan,Brad. Keep up the fine work.
Ed Conrad wants to talk to you .... something about an ossified brain ....
Dear "snip drivel",
Most certainly not in your backyard, or by way of any of your "snip
drivel" certified friends. It seems your profound nayism and lack of
constructive contributions to this or for that matter of most any
topic is equal to none other than whatever DARPA expects of their
brown-nosed minions. As such, your warm and fuzzy services are no
longer needed, especially since you show no honest signs of being the
least bit qualified or even knowing of those qualified in rigid
airship R&D. Did I miss anything?
Yea, you dumb fuck, you didn't answer my question, which is:
Where will you build them and how will you get them into the
atmosphere of Venus. A straight forward question, to which
you obviously do not have an answer, you loon.
Considering the sulphuric content of said atmosphere (minor detail),
what materials of construction were you going to use ?? No generalities
please, since that seems to be your forte.
do you plan to use?? Titanium you say, holy moley, it'll drop like a rock
If I were put in charge, the last kind of folks I'd have on this team
are those continually spouting off with those naysay loaded questions
that usually have nothing whatsoever to do with the R&D phase, such as
where it's going to be built and for those methods of getting this
airship safely deployed below them Venus clouds is entirely another
can of worms, much like yourself.
Since I’m unlike most in Usenet/Groups, whereas I'm not all-knowing
nor otherwise a crack wizard at everything is perhaps why I've merely
posted this topic as a worthy idea, with allowances for design
variations and methods that'll take kindly to the toasty environment
of Venus. Silly me for thinking your supposed expertise and better
numbers would ever help further this topic along.
In case you’re still interested, I'm assuming we'd start at something
of a 1/10th scaled down prototype. However, at 50 km by season of
nighttime is potentially freezing, as well as getting some of that
acidic haze as fallout from those thick clouds, and that's why
cruising at 25 km by night seems likely.
BTW, your comment “Titanium you say, holy moley, it'll drop like a
rock” is proof-positive that you have no idea what airship buoyancy
Venus has to offer. A relatively thin outer shell of titanium is not
a mission killer, although tough and high temperature certified
composites as rated for reentry trauma shouldn’t be all that
unlikely. Why don’t you suggest whatever makes Hagar a happy camper.
. – Brad Guth |
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:32 pm |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 5, 7:25 am, "Hagar" <ha... at (no spam) sahm.name> wrote:
Quote: "BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f508309c-a9f1-4071-b72b-7721eec7bbe7 at (no spam) j9g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
Being a little hot, buoyant and having 10% less gravity is actually a
darn good thing if you were a Venusian airship, even if limited as to
an oven-wrap or KetaSpire PEEK polyetheretherketone and fiber
reinforced balloon. Such fiber reinforced composites do exist,
although an outer skin of something in basic titanium shouldn’t be
excluded for this rigid airship configuration.
snip drivel
And, pray tell Brad, where would the above ship be manufactured ?
On the surface of Venus, you say? I don't think so. Oh, I see ... you'd
build it on Mars and then have the Acme Intergalactic Airship Towing
Company move it to Venus and insert it into the proper orbit.
Good plan,Brad. Keep up the fine work.
Ed Conrad wants to talk to you .... something about an ossified brain ...
Dear "snip drivel",
Most certainly not in your backyard, or by way of any of your "snip
drivel" certified friends. It seems your profound nayism and lack of
constructive contributions to this or for that matter of most any
topic is equal to none other than whatever DARPA expects of their
brown-nosed minions. As such, your warm and fuzzy services are no
longer needed, especially since you show no honest signs of being the
least bit qualified or even knowing of those qualified in rigid
airship R&D. Did I miss anything?
Yea, you dumb fuck, you didn't answer my question, which is:
Where will you build them and how will you get them into the
atmosphere of Venus. A straight forward question, to which
you obviously do not have an answer, you loon.
Considering the sulphuric content of said atmosphere (minor detail),
what materials of construction were you going to use ?? No generalities
please, since that seems to be your forte.
do you plan to use?? Titanium you say, holy moley, it'll drop like a rock |
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:21 pm |
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On May 6, 2:25 pm, "Hagar" <ha... at (no spam) sahm.name> wrote:
Quote: "BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c74aab1f-59c1-45d7-81ca-426004d96ce2 at (no spam) a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 6:32 pm, "Hagar" <hs... at (no spam) surewest.net> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 5, 7:25 am, "Hagar" <ha... at (no spam) sahm.name> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
snip floating airbag
Why don’t you suggest whatever makes Hagar a happy camper.
. – Brad Guth
OK, Brad, I would like to see big gigantic fucking gondolas, like those in
Venice, only 100 times larger. We could hire genuine Wap gondoliers to
operate huge foam rubber paddles to propel us through the acidic vapor. A
1/4 inch cover of old fashioned axle grease should suffice for protection
from the Sun and some old WWII Kraut helmets for protection against any
other debris floating around. Some bagpipes for background music would be
nice. Marshmallows could be toasted by merely hanging them over the edge for
about 5 seconds.
5 seconds might even be good enough to defrost a frozen pizza, that is
if you'd landed where it's 735 K or better. Otherwise, at 50 km and
within the season of nighttime it's kind of cool outside, and even by
their season of day it's just getting nicely desert like warm and
relatively crystal dry.
Quote:
See, I'm with you all the way on this. So, Heavens to Murgatroyd, let's get
cracking on the design of this ever so futuristic venture.
Let us start off with the outer shell or composite hull, though not
hardly so futuristic because, I believe most everything necessary has
already been invented. We just have to carefully select from any
number of viable options.
If really big or even aerodynamically sleek and unified blimp like
isn't an option, then how about using 5 spheres of 10 meters diameter
each for creating this 50 meter long prototype of our robotic
airship. With some careful reductions in its inert mass, a fully
terrestrial capable version (similar to a 60~65 km Venus application)
should be doable, especially since modern electrical and electronic
technology has gotten so much more energy efficient and micro in size,
as well as representing hardly any payload mass.
. - Brad Guth |
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On May 5, 7:19 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On May 5, 12:34 am, LIBERATOR <jgcho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Brad what did you think of that "Disclosure Project"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUkorwww.disclosureproject.org
Thanks to our popular mainstream media that'll publish and/or exclude
whatever they're told by those in charge, and otherwise by that of our
"no child left behind" policy, I didn't here a darn thing about it,
and Usenet/Groups certainly didn't make much if anything of it.
(wonder why)
Besides the fact that ETs do exist, and that it's quite likely they
have also existed/coexisted on Venus (because that's technically
doable), what if anything of this "Disclosure Project" doings had
anything whatsoever to do with any composite rigid airship, as
intended for cruising Venus?
In other words, why did you fail to grasp the meaning or intent of
this topic "Venus Airships"?
. - Brad Guth
I found that it's semi-truthful, they're lying purposefully leaning
that "yeah UFOs exist, but they're not by man they're by space
monsters". We all know the NAZIs under Hitler invented UFOs, and
because Hitler eliminating debt they don't want the culture to be
discovered, so they have to use extraterrestrials, or rather "space
monsters" to be the originating source of UFOs.
We all know NASA has them and they're way beyond the speed of light.
www.greyfalcon.us
Brad please review this book completely, I bought it before knowing it
was online, you can save yourself $20.00
http://www.missilegate.com/rfz/index2.htm
It's solid fact that the NAZIs invented UFOs. |
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:25 pm |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 5, 6:32 pm, "Hagar" <hs... at (no spam) surewest.net> wrote:
Quote: "BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a1bc0dc1-6848-4e8a-b4be-e90f8b39c72f at (no spam) d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On May 5, 7:25 am, "Hagar" <ha... at (no spam) sahm.name> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
snip floating airbag
Why don’t you suggest whatever makes Hagar a happy camper.
.. – Brad Guth
OK, Brad, I would like to see big gigantic fucking gondolas, like those in
Venice, only 100 times larger. We could hire genuine Wap gondoliers to
operate huge foam rubber paddles to propel us through the acidic vapor. A
1/4 inch cover of old fashioned axle grease should suffice for protection
from the Sun and some old WWII Kraut helmets for protection against any
other debris floating around. Some bagpipes for background music would be
nice. Marshmallows could be toasted by merely hanging them over the edge for
about 5 seconds.
See, I'm with you all the way on this. So, Heavens to Murgatroyd, let's get
cracking on the design of this ever so futuristic venture. |
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On May 6, 5:52 pm, LIBERATOR <nogeek... at (no spam) linuxmail.org> wrote:
Quote: On May 5, 7:19 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 5, 12:34 am, LIBERATOR <jgcho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Brad what did you think of that "Disclosure Project"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUkorwww.disclosureproject.org
Thanks to our popular mainstream media that'll publish and/or exclude
whatever they're told by those in charge, and otherwise by that of our
"no child left behind" policy, I didn't here a darn thing about it,
and Usenet/Groups certainly didn't make much if anything of it.
(wonder why)
Besides the fact that ETs do exist, and that it's quite likely they
have also existed/coexisted on Venus (because that's technically
doable), what if anything of this "Disclosure Project" doings had
anything whatsoever to do with any composite rigid airship, as
intended for cruising Venus?
In other words, why did you fail to grasp the meaning or intent of
this topic "Venus Airships"?
. - Brad Guth
I found that it's semi-truthful, they're lying purposefully leaning
that "yeah UFOs exist, but they're not by man they're by space
monsters". We all know the NAZIs under Hitler invented UFOs, and
because Hitler eliminating debt they don't want the culture to be
discovered, so they have to use extraterrestrials, or rather "space
monsters" to be the originating source of UFOs.
We all know NASA has them and they're way beyond the speed of light.www.greyfalcon.us
Brad please review this book completely, I bought it before knowing it
was online, you can save yourself $20.00http://www.missilegate.com/rfz/index2.htm
It's solid fact that the NAZIs invented UFOs.
I have few doubts that Hitler's private cache of Zionist NAZI wizards
of physics and science most likely did accomplish something UFO disk
like as a terrestrial/atmospheric aircraft, perhaps of technology
assisted along by some ET encounter. However, interplanetary or much
less of any light speed craft is not part of the package deal.
I'm also fairly certain that DARPA has obtained access to more than
one for-real ET UFO, though doubtful as flyable/operational.
.. - Brad Guth |
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:32 pm |
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On May 6, 10:33 pm, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I have few doubts that Hitler's private cache of Zionist NAZI wizards
of physics and science most likely did accomplish something UFO disk
like as a terrestrial/atmospheric aircraft, perhaps of technology
assisted along by some ET encounter. However, interplanetary or much
less of any light speed craft is not part of the package deal.
I'm also fairly certain that DARPA has obtained access to more than
one for-real ET UFO, though doubtful as flyable/operational.
. - Brad Guth
Big-eyed beans from Venus,
Don't let anything come between us.
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On May 7, 7:33 pm, "Hagar" <hs... at (no spam) surewest.net> wrote:
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Why go through all that design trouble, let's see if we can find a copy of
the construction plans and specifications of the Hindenburg.
PS: Is there lightning on Venus ??
When you graduate into becoming a 5th grader, we'll talk.
Until then, keep working on becoming that smart 5th grader.
.. - Brad Guth |
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BradGuth wrote:
Quote: Being a little hot, buoyant and having 10% less gravity is actually a
darn good thing if you were a Venusian airship, even if limited as to
an oven-wrap or KetaSpire PEEK polyetheretherketone and fiber
reinforced balloon. Such fiber reinforced composites do exist,
although an outer skin of something in basic titanium shouldn’t be
excluded for this rigid airship configuration.
For this topic I have an unusual airship to R&D, as intended for a
rather toasty dry and calm environment. Think of this application as
a floating city if you like, or consider this one as merely a small or
as large as need be robotic probe that can remain efficiently aloft
for nearly unlimited time without much energy demand while drifting or
even when cruising along at perhaps an average air-speed of less than
10 m/s, as such wouldn’t demand but a few kw for managing a good sized
airship.
Taking into account the 1.75 kg/m3 by day and perhaps 2.5 kg/m3 of
nighttime buoyancy at 50 km is roughly worth twice that of any
terrestrial airship application, and for the most part it’s actually
fairly calm, kind of inert nice enough and even relatively cool
because it’s at such a good deal of altitude away from that geothermal
radiating planet, and otherwise operating within the nighttime season,
and still situated well enough below the bulk of those otherwise thick
and nasty acidic clouds.
Because the inert infrastructure of this rigid airship doesn’t change
per given altitude means that its hauling capacity or payload is
capable of becoming downright impressive, getting much better as one
operates at lower altitudes, such as below 35 km by season of day and
below 25 km by season of nighttime is where that robust S8/CO2
atmosphere is nearly crystal dry and clear for as far as you can see
(depending on terrain, roughly 500 km in all directions).
Initially, this is a very rigid composite and robust kind of mostly
robotic airship, intended as an extended expedition probe. It’s
somewhat of a conventional blimp like craft, except using a rigid
composite hull with a 6:1 L/W ratio instead of the more common
terrestrial 5:1.
In my way of thinking, it has a rather thick outer composite hull
that’s nicely insulative (critical science instrument/components area
being insulated by R-100 or better) as obviously acidic proof, not to
mention melt proof, not that its failsafe hydrogen gas displacement or
that of its vacuum worth of artificial buoyancy need be all that acid
proof or even having to be excessively cooled, because the bulk of
this airship can be rated for 811 K (1000°F).
There are four rather over-sized longitudinal stabilizer fins, used
for obvious flight stability, but also utilized for their heat-
exchanging functions, and otherwise a pair of midship underbelly
landing skids (just in case).
Its configuration might incorporate one fully ducted set of large
diameter counter-rotating pusher fans, plus four other fully rotatable
thrusters (two on either forward/aft side for a total boost of 10%
main engine thrust), that collectively can also be utilized as forward/
reverse motion thrusters. The maximum velocity potential of 100 m/s
need not be necessary, and certainly not one of those all or nothing
considerations, because 10 m/s is more than good enough unless
striving to migrate though those acidic clouds in order to cruise
essentially above the 75 km nighttime worth of those fast moving
clouds (80~85 km by day) .
This craft is not going to be your average Hindenburg, much less
flammable or otherwise combustible, although intended for efficiently
cruising about Venus where size and mass are of little concern when
having 64+ kg/m3 worth of buoyancy, and only 90.5% gravity to work
with is certainly going to avoid all sorts of inert mass
considerations that would have more than grounded the Hindenburg.
In addition to certain liquid fuels that can be safely incorporated,
there will be a pair of custom RTGs running at more than hot enough to
melt aluminum, and a likely Stirling thermal dynamic process of
utilizing that heat at roughly 25+% efficiency for all of the onboard
systems and main propulsion.
Getting rid of 75% worth of RTG heat shouldn’t be all that
insurmountable, especially with such a thermally conductive flow of
that toasty Venusian atmosphere flowing past, as worthy of roughly
10% the density of water, in that the closer we cruise to the
geothermally active surface the more dense and thermally conductive
becomes the surrounding S8 and CO2 atmosphere.
Once again, on behalf of Usenet/Group diehard naysayers, this topic is
not about our having to terraform Venus, or that of our having to
prance ourselves about in the buff, at least not without our trusty
OveGlove jumpsuit and portable CO2-->co/o2 plus heat-exchanging unit.
Instead, we’re talking mostly about a fully robotic craft that really
doesn’t care how hot and nasty it is outside, and may never have to
land for the next hundred years, with a future human flight configured
version that’s clearly scaled in sufficient volume in order to suit
the applications of sustaining human our frail life for extended
periods of time while cruising extensively at or below 25 km.
Even though Geoffrey Landis wisely publishes most everything of his
expertise as science fiction, it’s based entirely upon the regular
laws of physics, and for the most part using the best available
science. This doesn’t mean that I’d worship each and every published
word of Landis or from others of his kind, although it does fully
demonstrate that I’m not the one and only wise enough individual
that’s deductively thinking constructively and thus positively about
accomplishing those Venus expeditions.
Venus exploration papers / Geoffrey A. Landis
http://www.sff.net/people/geoffrey.landis/papers.html
Evaluation of Long Duration Flight on Venus / by Anthony J. Colozza
and Geoffrey A. Landis
http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/2006/TM-2006-214452.pdf
This paper was for the most part generated long after my having
insisted that such a mission via aircraft/airship was technically
doable, although this Geoffrey and Anthony version focused mostly on
behalf of solar powered and RTG as necessary, whereas such there’s
nothing much innovative or all that ground breaking to report,
especially since much of their airship application is operated within
a terrestrial like environment by way of keeping good altitude.
This is not saying that my ideas are of the one and only do-or-die
alternatives, as I’m not the least bit opposed to incorporating viable
alternatives, or having to share most of the credits with those having
contributed their honest expertise. In other words, I’m not the bad
guy here, nor am I interested in hearing from those having ulterior
motives or counter intentions of merely topic/author stalking and
bashing for all they can muster.
. – Brad Guth
You are James Follet, AICMF$!
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| Hagar... |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 6, 2:25 pm, "Hagar" <ha... at (no spam) sahm.name> wrote:
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"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
snip floating airbag
Why don’t you suggest whatever makes Hagar a happy camper.
. – Brad Guth
OK, Brad, I would like to see big gigantic fucking gondolas, like those in
Venice, only 100 times larger. We could hire genuine Wap gondoliers to
operate huge foam rubber paddles to propel us through the acidic vapor. A
1/4 inch cover of old fashioned axle grease should suffice for protection
from the Sun and some old WWII Kraut helmets for protection against any
other debris floating around. Some bagpipes for background music would be
nice. Marshmallows could be toasted by merely hanging them over the edge
for
about 5 seconds.
5 seconds might even be good enough to defrost a frozen pizza, that is
if you'd landed where it's 735 K or better. Otherwise, at 50 km and
within the season of nighttime it's kind of cool outside, and even by
their season of day it's just getting nicely desert like warm and
relatively crystal dry.
Quote:
See, I'm with you all the way on this. So, Heavens to Murgatroyd, let's
get
cracking on the design of this ever so futuristic venture.
Let us start off with the outer shell or composite hull, though not
hardly so futuristic because, I believe most everything necessary has
already been invented. We just have to carefully select from any
number of viable options.
If really big or even aerodynamically sleek and unified blimp like
isn't an option, then how about using 5 spheres of 10 meters diameter
each for creating this 50 meter long prototype of our robotic
airship. With some careful reductions in its inert mass, a fully
terrestrial capable version (similar to a 60~65 km Venus application)
should be doable, especially since modern electrical and electronic
technology has gotten so much more energy efficient and micro in size,
as well as representing hardly any payload mass.
.. - Brad Guth
Why go through all that design trouble, let's see if we can find a copy of
the construction plans and specifications of the Hindenburg.
PS: Is there lightning on Venus ?? |
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On May 8, 5:34 am, "Jeff Findley" <jeff.find... at (no spam) ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:
Quote: "ah" <splifing... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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BradGuth wrote:
You are James Follet, AICMF
Stop replying to Brad Guth's posts. At the very least, please learn how to
trim the quote of his post, especially if your reply is only one line!
Jeff
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A clever person solves a problem.
A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein
Terrific, in that "ah" and others of his/her silly kind are simply
another infowar cop or private minion doing his/her brown-nosed job of
protecting their collective status quo, rather than contributing
constructively as to the topic at hand. Just think if the likes of
Einstein were not Jewish, where would we be, would there have even
been a WWII or much less a mutually perpetrated cold-war?
It seems there's no end to the incest mutated pile or heap of
disinformation and DARPA mindset folks here in Usenet. It's as though
Google/NONA have accommodated their very own army of such clowns,
spooks and moles from their rusemaster dark side.
99.9% of Usenet seems to be sold on having allowed our government and
of its faith-based puppeteers to essentially pillage, plunder and rape
humanity, and to otherwise traumatize our frail environment for all
it's worth.
Apparently 3200% energy inflation in the past 60 years isn't good
enough for their New World Order. So, they'd rather topic/author
stalk, bash and impose as much banishment as they can muster.
Figures, just like in their good old Hitler days, doesn't it.
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BradGuth <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
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Quote: On May 8, 5:34 am, "Jeff Findley" <jeff.find... at (no spam) ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:
"ah" <splifing... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:482251fd$0$87931$892e0abb at (no spam) auth.newsreader.octanews.com...
BradGuth wrote:
You are James Follet, AICMF
Stop replying to Brad Guth's posts. At the very least, please learn
how to trim the quote of his post, especially if your reply is only
one line!
Jeff
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A clever person solves a problem.
A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein
Terrific, in that "ah" and others of his/her silly kind are simply
another infowar cop or private minion doing his/her brown-nosed job of
protecting their collective status quo, rather than contributing
constructively as to the topic at hand. Just think if the likes of
Einstein were not Jewish, where would we be, would there have even
been a WWII or much less a mutually perpetrated cold-war?
It seems there's no end to the incest mutated pile or heap of
disinformation and DARPA mindset folks here in Usenet. It's as though
Google/NONA have accommodated their very own army of such clowns,
spooks and moles from their rusemaster dark side.
99.9% of Usenet seems to be sold on having allowed our government and
of its faith-based puppeteers to essentially pillage, plunder and rape
humanity, and to otherwise traumatize our frail environment for all
it's worth.
Rubbish, i haven't been sold on this, i'm only leasing.
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Quote: BradGuth wrote:
You are James Follet, AICMF
Stop replying to Brad Guth's posts. At the very least, please learn how to
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Jeff
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| Hagar... |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote: On May 7, 7:33 pm, "Hagar" <hs... at (no spam) surewest.net> wrote:
Why go through all that design trouble, let's see if we can find a copy
of
the construction plans and specifications of the Hindenburg.
PS: Is there lightning on Venus ??
When you graduate into becoming a 5th grader, we'll talk.
Until then, keep working on becoming that smart 5th grader.
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