BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
I'm certainly not looking for absolute perfection, but would you like
to help R&D this rigid airship anyway?

I think I can offer some guidance.
(Followups set to the only newsgroup I believe this thread now belongs.)
There are two resources you should begin with:

This paper:
"HIGH TEMPERATURE MATERIALS FOR VENUS BALLOON ENVELOPES"

Which you can find online here:http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstream/2014/30122/1/95-0417.pdf

And this book, which is the most "modern" text available on the subject
of airship design:

"Airship Technology" Edited by Khoury and Gillett

Available here:http://www.amazon.com/Airship-Technology-Cambridge-Aerospace-Khoury/d...

Other books and web sites worth adding to a research library on airships
include:

"Airship Design" by Burgess

Old but still useful and available here:http://www.amazon.com/Airship-Design-Charles-P-Burgess/dp/1410211738/...

"Airship Aerodynamics" By the U.S. War Department

Originally intended for training of Navy airship personnel but a short
yet effective guide to basic concepts. Available here:http://www.amazon.com/Airship-Aerodynamics-Technical-War-Department/d...

The website of the Experimental Lighter than Air organization:

http://www.xlta.org/

There are a couple of PDF docs worth downloading in the LIBRARY page and
further links to other sites in the LINKS page (naturally).

Hope some of this helps.

On May 29, 11:56 pm, Jim Logajan <Jam... at (no spam) Lugoj.com> wrote:



BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
I'm certainly not looking for absolute perfection, but would you like
to help R&D this rigid airship anyway?

I think I can offer some guidance.
(Followups set to the only newsgroup I believe this thread now belongs.)
There are two resources you should begin with:

This paper:
"HIGH TEMPERATURE MATERIALS FOR VENUS BALLOON ENVELOPES"

Which you can find online here:http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstream/2014/30122/1/95-0417.pdf

And this book, which is the most "modern" text available on the subject
of airship design:

"Airship Technology" Edited by Khoury and Gillett

Available here:http://www.amazon.com/Airship-Technology-Cambridge-Aerospace-Khoury/d...

Other books and web sites worth adding to a research library on airships
include:

"Airship Design" by Burgess

Old but still useful and available here:http://www.amazon.com/Airship-Design-Charles-P-Burgess/dp/1410211738/...

"Airship Aerodynamics" By the U.S. War Department

Originally intended for training of Navy airship personnel but a short
yet effective guide to basic concepts. Available here:http://www.amazon.com/Airship-Aerodynamics-Technical-War-Department/d...

The website of the Experimental Lighter than Air organization:

http://www.xlta.org/

There are a couple of PDF docs worth downloading in the LIBRARY page and
further links to other sites in the LINKS page (naturally).

Hope some of this helps.

For some odd reasons this reply of mine wasn't getting posted to all
of the intended groups. So, here's one more time for the oldGuth
gipper.

Thanks once again for all of that constructive and only somewhat
outdated though informative leads, but also some of that rather silly
balloon sport feedback has its place, much of which I've seen dozens
of times before.

It seems folks expect little old me to accomplish 100+% of
everything. I didn't realize that I was being thought of as far
better than Einstein that had teams of assistants (aka minions and
peers) working as an intellectual cartel on his behalf.

By way of expressing rigid composite should suggest this is not an
inflated balloon application, as proposed by Yavrouian, not that
efficiently ballooning science instruments below them thick clouds
isn't technically doable as relatively cheap, especially on behalf of
the micro electronic packages that involve so little mass and require
such little energy as they outperform their task in most every aspect.

Starting from scratch, this custom rigid composite airship is capable
of good size and substantial payload, and its going to be like nothing
ever before utilized on Earth or any other planet. Perhaps the
closest
analogy of anything terrestrial is going to be a nuclear submarine,
whereas instead having its Venus buoyancy created by either a vacuum
that’s easily managed by way of getting CO2 pumped out, or merely
displaced from the top down with the failsafe gas of hydrogen. I was
thinking along the lines of using rigid/hard composite spheres,
arranged into an airship format (5 in tandem) that’s kind of
aerodynamically suited to the task at hand.

This application requires more than a simple balloon, especially if
active flight and navigation is incorporated.
. –BradGuth

On May 5, 12:34 am, LIBERATOR <jgcho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:



Brad what did you think of that "Disclosure Project"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUkorwww.disclosureproject.org

Thanks to our popular mainstream media that'll publish and/or exclude
whatever they're told by those in charge, and otherwise by that of our
"no child left behind" policy, I didn't here a darn thing about it,
and Usenet/Groups certainly didn't make much if anything of it.
(wonder why)

Besides the fact that ETs do exist, and that it's quite likely they
have also existed/coexisted on Venus (because that's technically
doable), what if anything of this "Disclosure Project" doings had
anything whatsoever to do with any composite rigid airship, as
intended for cruising Venus?

In other words, why did you fail to grasp the meaning or intent of
this topic "Venus Airships"?
. - Brad Guth

On May 5, 6:19 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:



On May 5, 12:34 am, LIBERATOR <jgcho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Brad what did you think of that "Disclosure Project"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUkorwww.disclosureproject.org

Thanks to our popular mainstream media that'll publish and/or exclude
whatever they're told by those in charge, and otherwise by that of our
"no child left behind" policy, I didn't here a darn thing about it,
and Usenet/Groups certainly didn't make much if anything of it.
(wonder why)

Besides the fact that ETs do exist, and that it's quite likely they
have also existed/coexisted on Venus (because that's technically
doable), what if anything of this "Disclosure Project" doings had
anything whatsoever to do with any composite rigid airship, as
intended for cruising Venus?

In other words, why did you fail to grasp the meaning or intent of
this topic "Venus Airships"?
. - Brad Guth

Brad, it's all related. The Venus airships are flying saucers and
nothing else.

The Venus beings are humans, almost exact to us. It's a heavily
populated planet with Earth humanoids so exact we couldn't tell if
they were walking around on Earth - and some probably are.

On Jun 7, 7:22 pm, LIBERATOR <nogeek... at (no spam) linuxmail.org> wrote:
On May 5, 6:19 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:



On May 5, 12:34 am, LIBERATOR <jgcho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Brad what did you think of that "Disclosure
Project"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-
6YdUkorwww.disclosure
project.org

Thanks to our popular mainstream media that'll publish and/or
exclude whatever they're told by those in charge, and otherwise by
that of our "no child left behind" policy, I didn't here a darn
thing about it, and Usenet/Groups certainly didn't make much if
anything of it. (wonder why)

Besides the fact that ETs do exist, and that it's quite likely they
have also existed/coexisted on Venus (because that's technically
doable), what if anything of this "Disclosure Project" doings had
anything whatsoever to do with any composite rigid airship, as
intended for cruising Venus?

In other words, why did you fail to grasp the meaning or intent of
this topic "Venus Airships"?
. - Brad Guth

Brad, it's all related. The Venus airships are flying saucers and
nothing else.

The Venus beings are humans, almost exact to us. It's a heavily
populated planet with Earth humanoids so exact we couldn't tell if
they were walking around on Earth - and some probably are.

In that thick atmosphere, rigid airships are going to best suit our
probe applications in robotics as well as future manned expeditions.

I doubt Venusians are regular humanoids, at least not without advanced
technology and/or biophysical adaptations applied. I see little
reason to think Venus is "heavily populated", in fact, I doubt those
would be entirely of locally grown and evolved species as we know it,
whereas more than likely we're talking of visiting ETs responsible for
what we can interpret as most likely creating those artificial
structures, at least as deductively extrapolated from those radar
obtained images.

Where do you extract such other intelligence as pertaining to the
planet Venus?

?

I'm still trying to figure out what this topic has to do with
rec.aviation.piloting.
--

Or reality for that matter...

On May 28, 10:22 am, dean... at (no spam) msn.com wrote:

?

I'm still trying to figure out what this topic has to do with
rec.aviation.piloting.
--

Or reality for that matter...

Obviously your DARPA brown-nosed expertise is insurmountable, just the
way them Zionist/Nazi always intended.

What is it about the rigid composite airship idea of such applied
technology that's over your DARPA head?

On Jun 9, 4:50 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:



On May 28, 10:22 am, dean... at (no spam) msn.com wrote:

?

I'm still trying to figure out what this topic has to do with
rec.aviation.piloting.
--

Or reality for that matter...

Obviously your DARPA brown-nosed expertise is insurmountable, just the
way them Zionist/Nazi always intended.

What is it about the rigid composite airship idea of such applied
technology that's over your DARPA head?

I'd like you to explain how you make a rigid shell light enought.
Remember increased atmosphere density also implies increased pressure.

Cheers

What is it about the rigid composite airship idea of such applied
technology that's over your DARPA head?


I'd like you to explain how you make a rigid shell light enought.
Remember increased atmosphere density also implies increased pressure.

On May 28, 10:22 am, dean... at (no spam) msn.com wrote:

?

I'm still trying to figure out what this topic has to do with
rec.aviation.piloting.
--

Or reality for that matter...

Obviously your DARPA brown-nosed expertise is insurmountable, just the
way them Zionist/Nazi always intended.

What is it about the rigid composite airship idea of such applied
technology that's over your DARPA head?

Are you going to suggest to us that our Zionist/Nazi DARPA wasn't in
charge of having made all sorts of nasty shit happen for Hitler?
Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

On Jun 8, 10:50 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 28, 10:22 am, dean... at (no spam) msn.com wrote:

?

I'm still trying to figure out what this topic has to do with
rec.aviation.piloting.
--

Or reality for that matter...

Obviously your DARPA brown-nosed expertise is insurmountable, just
the
way them Zionist/Nazi always intended.

What is it about the rigid composite airship idea of such applied
technology that's over your DARPA head?

Are you going to suggest to us that our Zionist/Nazi DARPA wasn't in
charge of having made all sorts of nasty shit happen for Hitler?
Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

Brad,

One word:

Lithium

You need to ingest massive doses of Lithium.

On Jun 8, 10:50 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:



On May 28, 10:22 am, dean... at (no spam) msn.com wrote:

?

I'm still trying to figure out what this topic has to do with
rec.aviation.piloting.
--

Or reality for that matter...

Obviously your DARPA brown-nosed expertise is insurmountable, just the
way them Zionist/Nazi always intended.

What is it about the rigid composite airship idea of such applied
technology that's over your DARPA head?

Are you going to suggest to us that our Zionist/Nazi DARPA wasn't in
charge of having made all sorts of nasty shit happen for Hitler?
Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

Brad,

One word:

Lithium

You need to ingest massive doses of Lithium.

On Jun 8, 10:50 am, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 28, 10:22 am, dean... at (no spam) msn.com wrote:

?
I'm still trying to figure out what this topic has to do with
rec.aviation.piloting.
--
Or reality for that matter...
Obviously your DARPA brown-nosed expertise is insurmountable, just the
way them Zionist/Nazi always intended.

What is it about the rigid composite airship idea of such applied
technology that's over your DARPA head?

Are you going to suggest to us that our Zionist/Nazi DARPA wasn't in
charge of having made all sorts of nasty shit happen for Hitler?
Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth

Brad,

One word:

Lithium

You need to ingest massive doses of Lithium.

Just for a little extra topic argument sake, on behalf of rigid
composite airships:
http://www.deepoceanexpeditions.com/ships_3_2.html
“The Deep Rover 1002 submersibles have been pressure tested to 1.25
times their maximum diving depth (1,250 meters or 4,100 feet) with a
designed safety factor of four times and a theoretical crush depth of
over 4,000 metres (13,120 feet).”