In article <4821d7fe.88180036 at (no spam) news.whidbey.net>, <etpm at (no spam) whidbey.com
wrote:

On Tue, 06 May 2008 20:48:34 -0700, Ernie Leimkuhler
ernie at (no spam) stagesmith.com> wrote:

Greetings Ernie,
Can .035 dual shield be used in a Lincoln SP125 Plus? And is it worth
it?
Thanks,
Eric


No.
The machine can't handle dual-shield wire that large.
That is why harris makes the tiny 0.030" stuff.

Also the gun would melt down from the welding current.


Thanks Ernie. You know how it is. No matter how much capacity we have

In article <4KTTj.113519$Ft5.9341 at (no spam) newsfe15.lga>, Maxwell
luv2^fly99 at (no spam) cox.^net> wrote:

"Grant Erwin" <grant at (no spam) NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote in message
news:r_OTj.5118$ch1.2504 at (no spam) trndny09...
Ernie Leimkuhler wrote:


Thanks for the recommendations guys, I really appreciate it.

Are there an good sources for wire, especially in smaller quantities,
on-line or otherwise?

Availability always seems limit someone's ability to experiment.



Getting dual-shield wires in small amounts is hard.

Harris is the only company that sells these wires in small spools.

http://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/consumables/alloys.asp?id=12

What I usually do is buy a 30 lb spool of ESAB wire and spool it
myself, if I want to use it in my spoolgun.

You can buy ESAB 7100 Ultra, Dual-Shield wire in sizes down to 0.035".
7100 Ultra is the best Gas Shielded Flux Core wire I have ever used.

Ernie Leimkuhler <ernie at (no spam) stagesmith.com> wrote:
In article <ZMvUj.42$Gf.3 at (no spam) trndny05>, Grant Erwin
grant at (no spam) NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:

I have the 175T and it doesn't show on my chart either. I think it's a
good
bet.
The machine can feed .035 wire and it can supply gas. What more do you
need?

Grant


A beefier gun.
Dual shield beats the crap out of small guns.
It is why I have HUGE 40 amp guns on my Betamig 250 at home and the
Millermatic 300 at school.


Would it be ok to use .045" dual shield wire with a M25 gun on my
Millermatic 251?

In a few weeks I'm going to be putting together a power hammer out of 1/2"
H-beam and was planning on using .045" dual shield.
Todd

Ernie Leimkuhler wrote:
In article <ZMvUj.42$Gf.3 at (no spam) trndny05>, Grant Erwin
grant at (no spam) NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:


I have the 175T and it doesn't show on my chart either. I think it's a good
bet.
The machine can feed .035 wire and it can supply gas. What more do you need?

Grant



A beefier gun.
Dual shield beats the crap out of small guns.
It is why I have HUGE 40 amp guns on my Betamig 250 at home and the
Millermatic 300 at school.

You must mean 400 amps. - GWE

In article <fvumke$7el$1 at (no spam) reader2.panix.com>, Todd Rich
torin at (no spam) panix.com> wrote:

Ernie Leimkuhler <ernie at (no spam) stagesmith.com> wrote:
In article <ZMvUj.42$Gf.3 at (no spam) trndny05>, Grant Erwin
grant at (no spam) NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:

I have the 175T and it doesn't show on my chart either. I think it's a
good
bet.
The machine can feed .035 wire and it can supply gas. What more do you
need?

Grant


A beefier gun.
Dual shield beats the crap out of small guns.
It is why I have HUGE 40 amp guns on my Betamig 250 at home and the
Millermatic 300 at school.


Would it be ok to use .045" dual shield wire with a M25 gun on my
Millermatic 251?

Only for short periods.
0.045" Dual shield is the upper limit of what a 250 amp MIG can handle.
With a heavier gun it can run it more effectively and without melting
as many tips and gas cups.

Personally I detest the M25 gun as it falls apart from heavy use.
All 3 of the 250X's we had at South Seattle started with M25s and they
all fell apart.
I replaced them with Tregaskis 400 Toughguns (who also make the M25 for
Miller), and was very happy.

That is what I have on my Betamig 250

At school I scored a 400 amp Miller Roughneck gun, from eBay, for our
Millermatic 300.
Another great gun.

On Fri, 09 May 2008 00:52:54 -0700, Ernie Leimkuhler
ernie at (no spam) stagesmith.com> wrote:

In article <fvumke$7el$1 at (no spam) reader2.panix.com>, Todd Rich
torin at (no spam) panix.com> wrote:

Ernie Leimkuhler <ernie at (no spam) stagesmith.com> wrote:
In article <ZMvUj.42$Gf.3 at (no spam) trndny05>, Grant Erwin
grant at (no spam) NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:

I have the 175T and it doesn't show on my chart either. I think it's a
good
bet.
The machine can feed .035 wire and it can supply gas. What more do you
need?

Grant


A beefier gun.
Dual shield beats the crap out of small guns.
It is why I have HUGE 40 amp guns on my Betamig 250 at home and the
Millermatic 300 at school.


Would it be ok to use .045" dual shield wire with a M25 gun on my
Millermatic 251?

Only for short periods.
0.045" Dual shield is the upper limit of what a 250 amp MIG can handle.
With a heavier gun it can run it more effectively and without melting
as many tips and gas cups.

Personally I detest the M25 gun as it falls apart from heavy use.
All 3 of the 250X's we had at South Seattle started with M25s and they
all fell apart.
I replaced them with Tregaskis 400 Toughguns (who also make the M25 for
Miller), and was very happy.

That is what I have on my Betamig 250

At school I scored a 400 amp Miller Roughneck gun, from eBay, for our
Millermatic 300.
Another great gun.

While we're on the subject I'd like to ask you what you think of
Bernard guns.

I'm having a heck of a time keeping tips on my 400 amp Tweco style
gun when I'm in spray mode. I want a good gun but my supplier hasn't
even heard of Tregaskis but the do stock stuff for the Bernard. So
that leaves me with the Miller guns or Bernard.

In article <5bp824tnic3ngvr1v4oe9h3gtkas56qrpi at (no spam) 4ax.com>, Wayne Cook
wcnews at (no spam) dslextreme.com> wrote:


While we're on the subject I'd like to ask you what you think of
Bernard guns.


I don't like them.
Unfortunately Miller's Parent company ITW recently merged Bernard with
Oxo.
Oxo is one of my all time favorite MIG gun companies.
They still make Miller's Roughneck guns.

Ok.

ITW bought Tregaskiss last year, but they have a history of buying
companies and yet leaving them alone.

They are a little different that way.

ITW owns 5 MIG gun companies, 4 TIG torch companies and 3 Plasma cutter
torch companies.

Yep and often go outside for something on there own product.

I'm having a heck of a time keeping tips on my 400 amp Tweco style
gun when I'm in spray mode. I want a good gun but my supplier hasn't
even heard of Tregaskis but the do stock stuff for the Bernard. So
that leaves me with the Miller guns or Bernard.


From that list go with Miller Roughneck.

In article <fvumke$7el$1 at (no spam) reader2.panix.com>, Todd Rich
torin at (no spam) panix.com> wrote:
(snip)
Would it be ok to use .045" dual shield wire with a M25 gun on my
Millermatic 251?

Only for short periods.
0.045" Dual shield is the upper limit of what a 250 amp MIG can handle.
With a heavier gun it can run it more effectively and without melting
as many tips and gas cups.

Personally I detest the M25 gun as it falls apart from heavy use.
All 3 of the 250X's we had at South Seattle started with M25s and they
all fell apart.
I replaced them with Tregaskis 400 Toughguns (who also make the M25 for
Miller), and was very happy.

That is what I have on my Betamig 250

At school I scored a 400 amp Miller Roughneck gun, from eBay, for our
Millermatic 300.
Another great gun.

In a few weeks I'm going to be putting together a power hammer out of 1/2"
H-beam and was planning on using .045" dual shield.
Todd

Ernie Leimkuhler <ernie at (no spam) stagesmith.com> wrote:
In article <fvumke$7el$1 at (no spam) reader2.panix.com>, Todd Rich
torin at (no spam) panix.com> wrote:
(snip)
Would it be ok to use .045" dual shield wire with a M25 gun on my
Millermatic 251?

Only for short periods.
0.045" Dual shield is the upper limit of what a 250 amp MIG can handle.
With a heavier gun it can run it more effectively and without melting
as many tips and gas cups.

Personally I detest the M25 gun as it falls apart from heavy use.
All 3 of the 250X's we had at South Seattle started with M25s and they
all fell apart.
I replaced them with Tregaskis 400 Toughguns (who also make the M25 for
Miller), and was very happy.

That is what I have on my Betamig 250

At school I scored a 400 amp Miller Roughneck gun, from eBay, for our
Millermatic 300.
Another great gun.

Well, I picked up this today:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260238177403

In a few weeks I'm going to be putting together a power hammer out of
1/2"
H-beam and was planning on using .045" dual shield.
Todd

Btw, how well does the ESAB 7100 Ultra work with a moderate amount of
rust? The plate I'm using for the baseplate is somewhat pitted as well as
rusted. The pits don't look to be deeper than .025" deep, but my 4 1/2"
angle grinder is taking a long time to work it down. Since I've never use
the Dual Shield wire before, I'm not sure how well it deals with rust.
Spending a moderate amount of time, I seem to be able to clear about 50%
bare metal. Getting 100% will be quite a bit longer.
Todd

In article <g0aqfi$h3u$1 at (no spam) reader2.panix.com>, Todd Rich
torin at (no spam) panix.com> wrote:
(snip)
Well, I picked up this today:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260238177403

That is a very good price.

Btw, how well does the ESAB 7100 Ultra work with a moderate amount of
rust? The plate I'm using for the baseplate is somewhat pitted as well as
rusted. The pits don't look to be deeper than .025" deep, but my 4 1/2"
angle grinder is taking a long time to work it down. Since I've never use
the Dual Shield wire before, I'm not sure how well it deals with rust.
Spending a moderate amount of time, I seem to be able to clear about 50%
bare metal. Getting 100% will be quite a bit longer.
Todd

7100 ultra can eat a small amount of rust with no problems.
Just get off all the loose rust and scale with a twisted wire cup brush
on your grinder.