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| CDB... |
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:38 am |
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Rushtown wrote:
Quote: On May 3, 4:18?pm, "CDB" <bellema... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
Rushtown wrote:
[life below the line]
This post isn't just to say how stupid some people are.
It is to illustrate what it must be like going through life with
even a slightly below average IQ. ?You don't know why things are
done---but you do know they are done in a certain way on certain
occasions so you feel you should insist that they be done that way
again. ?Exactly how the world works is a mystery to you---so such
a person must feel they are in a sort of magical existence where
just saying certain words and doing certain rituals causes
results. ?Like the Cargo Cults in New Guinea.
People who talk about seeing the "Black Helicopters" or how the
Government invented AIDS have this sort of existence.
Ah, topicality. ?White shepherd, black sheep. ?Pastor and buffoon
in one package, wiggling its wagplace behind it.
Whatever it is you said here, I guess you really got me, your the
wise sophisticate and I am the foolish poster.
A gentleman susceptible of being described as I did, who claims to
believe about AIDS what you said, has been in the news lately.
I am far more callous than sophisticated, and I don't think your head
is a bit tiny. Aren't you the one I heard about, with a verbal IQ the
size of a planet? I sense irony in your response, and something
almost like sadistic anticipation.
While I'm on a role, ITYM "my the foolish poster". |
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| Don Phillipson... |
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:26 am |
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"Rushtown" <Rushtown at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:d8e3183b-e9d4-4625-98f8-99b753f22ae8 at (no spam) j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
Quote: What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? . . .
The client said he wanted "two documents" because that is what he got
before. I explained literally ten times why only one was needed this
time. Despite that he complained to the State Bar, he complained to
various people working in my office. More attempts to explain---to no
avail. He had to have two documents which we eventually gave to him.
This case suggests that a client with an IQ of 85 can if persistent
enough eventually get what he wants, despite resistance from others
who claim to know better what he needs.
The tacit complaint may be common among politicians and officials.
The trouble with people is that they do not understand what is best
for them: they will not accept guidance by their natural superiors
and stubbornly persist until satisfied on their own terms. Theologians
called this "invincible ignorance", but I suspect it has a real function
in the evolution of the species. We observe that, in this case, the
naturally superior party spent much more time and money refusing to give
the client what he asked for than it ultimately cost to provide it.
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Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada) |
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| foolsrushout... |
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:18 pm |
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Rushtown wrote:
Quote: I couldn't understand calculus if I spend 1000 hours studying it.
Unfortunately the same is true of many who manage
to pass their requisite calculus courses. They
learn which rules to apply for a given example,
and "how to turn the crank" to get the right
answer. |
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| CDB... |
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:19 pm |
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Rushtown wrote:
Quote: On May 4, 5:38?am, "CDB" <bellema... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
Rushtown wrote:
On May 3, 4:18?pm, "CDB" <bellema... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
Rushtown wrote:
[crosstalk]
Quote: Read that post again re verbal IQ---it is in the third person. I
was not necessarily talking about myself.
But you have confirmed my guess in another posting.
Quote: I am actually a humble person who knows my limitations.
[limitations]
Who indeed?
Quote: [what 68 more VIQ points doesn't get you out of being sneared at
for]
Having made that confession I have to say that there are some
intellectual feats where I can outperform 99% of the population,
IMNSHO.
We're all better at some things than at others, but I can't claim to
be in the hundredth percentile for anything much. Congratulations on
the beautiful feats. |
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| foolsrushout... |
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:25 pm |
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Rushtown wrote:
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Quote: Many math geniuses have lived in South India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanujan.
Ramanujan is not the only one. One book about him told about numerous
others from his district who had extremely high math ability.
Considering that "zero" was invented in India and India is now a
center for IT I would be interested in knowing what it is about Indian
culture that apparently fosters an intense interest in math among
students.
For some reason they're good at intangibles while lousy at
finalizing concepts by realization into substance.
Count patents issued to figure this one out.
Zero was also invented by Mayans. |
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| Rushtown... |
Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:42 pm |
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On May 4, 11:53�am, Chuck Riggs <chri... at (no spam) eircom.net> wrote:
Quote: On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT),Rushtown<Rusht... at (no spam) aol.com
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What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? �Based on some
examples I think it is not perplexing or frustrating---but that
instead the world looks like
a magical kingdom. �Examples:
Snipped, but I skimmed them.
Consider, instead, what a schizophrenic is and what difficulties she
must encounter in life.
So-called normal people like ourselves have no sure way of knowing
whether our respective realities are similar (Is my blue the same as
your blue, and so forth), but we do know that the ways a schizophrenic
sees the world around her is unlike how any of us see them. She may
hear voices that aren't there or see images that no one else can see
or have an odd obsession with God, or any combination of these
disorders.
Is he or she necessarily unhappy with this existence, even if they are
aware, or partially aware, of their mental illness?
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Regards,
Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland
I once posted a question, "Would you take a pill to have schizophrenia
for a day, just to see what it was like?" Most people said "No."
In my work as a lawyer I have not only seen what I term "stress
induced paranoia" but have had a bit of an experience with it myself.
And I think that experience has given me some insight.
What happened was I had a particularly dangerous and false lawsuit
filed against me. It was so ridiculous that I filed a summary
judgment to have it thrown out so I would not have to face the risk of
a jury. The Plaintiff defeated this motion by the simple expedient of
lying and saying that her signature was not her signature---despite my
expert, the only expert, saying it was.
The judge said there was a "triable issue of fact" and I would have to
face a jury (who often behave as Robin Hood). The judge, and numerous
Appellate Court judges all indicated that they knew this was a phony
lawsuit, but "the rules require this to be resolved by a jury."
Anyway the stress became so great that I started wondering why they
were all doing it. Maybe it was a conspiracy, or they were paid off---
or they'd got together to get a little revenge for an embarrassing
reversal by a Federal Court of the California Supreme Court which I
had been involved in.
It started sounding logical; of course, all these big shot Judges
sitting aroung the California Club, to which I probably could never
even get an invite, saying, "You know that Smyth, he's in a bit of
trouble now, let's just ease his way to financial ruin." This big
conspiracy really sounded logical, "Of course they'd do this." My
friends told me "No, that's crazy, it's just the stress---settle this
case like any other." I "knew" of course that it would not settle
like any other because "they" were out to get me.
But it did. It settled for only a small amount from me because the
mediator pointed out to the Plaintiff how weak her case was.
Then I realized the pressure had induced some classical paranoid
thinking. So I understand the feelings of some of my clients, and I
have an inkling of mental illness---and it does not appear to be fun. |
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| Mike Lyle... |
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:45 am |
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tony cooper wrote:
Quote: On Sat, 3 May 2008 19:48:52 -0700, "Skitt" <skitt99 at (no spam) comcast.net
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tony cooper wrote:
Arcadian Rises wrote:
Rushtown axed a direct question:
What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? ?
I don't know about the other readers of this group, but for me it
ain't easy. Good think that once in a while a genious like yerself
takes his mision to enlinghten and educate seriously.
Rushtown has been bouncing around Usenet for years demonstrating
that his mission is to prove that you don't have to be smarter than
a street bum to pass the bar in - I think it is - (the state of)
Washington.
Naah, Andrew is in L.A.
Could be. I thought that, at one time, he was either a public
defender or in the prosecutor's office in Washington. That goes back
several years to another newsgroup, though. He hasn't gotten any
smarter over the years.
Talking of intellectually different lawyers, we haven't had an attack
from Florida's prize loon for ages.
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Mike.
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| Mike Lyle... |
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:01 am |
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Rushtown wrote:
Quote: On May 3, 9:09?pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sat, 3 May 2008 20:47:50 -0700 (PDT), Rushtown <Rusht... at (no spam) aol.com
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Maybe I should retitle this post "What it's like going through life
being a knee jerk martinette who can't stop feeding this troll."
?But thanks, outraged or pained responses are what we live on.
When you do, spell "martinet" correctly. ?Unless, of course, you are
referring to a wooden figure of Jean Martinet attached by strings to
a control bar operated by a puppeteer who makes the knees jerk.
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My spelling is more like a Continental Sophisticate; you sound like a
simple American cowboy.
My goodness, I thought it was just the new fish who couldn't help
biting. But some of the old supposedly wiser carps can't resist
either.
Ah, admirable tenacity. One of the bulldog breed who won't give up
digging now he's so near the bottom of the hole.
--
Mike.
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| Amethyst Deceiver... |
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:56 pm |
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On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT), Rushtown <Rushtown at (no spam) aol.com>
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Quote: What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ?
You tell me, Andrew, you tell me.
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Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary |
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| Rushtown... |
Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:11 pm |
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On May 5, 11:56�am, Amethyst Deceiver <s... at (no spam) lindsayendell.org.uk>
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Quote: On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT),Rushtown<Rusht... at (no spam) aol.com
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What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? �
You tell me, Andrew, you tell me.
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Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
I'm trying to think back to the 4th grade (9 years old) when my IQ was
equivalent to that of an adult with an 85 IQ.
At 9 I was concerned about being "a good boy" and doing what I was
told. I didn't like girls and I told my parents everything. One year
later all that changed. So the only insight I get from remembering my
9th year is that low IQ people feel that they must obey the rules, and
not lie.
Higher IQ people know the real trick is to be good at lying and
breaking the rules; and especially to know they are most likely to
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:22 pm |
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On May 5, 8:56�pm, foolsrushout <6... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Rushtownwrote:
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Higher IQ people know the real trick is to be good at lying and
breaking the rules; �and especially to know they are most likely to
get away with it.
You have it all wrong.
Higher IQ people know how to use the rules in ways that
maximize the benefit to themselves. They don't need to
break the rules to achieve what they want.
Perhaps that need to be redefined to some IQ higher
than yours?
One of the signs that a child does not have autism is that he learns
to lie.
You are probably familar with the current explanation why man has
evolved an intelligence far higher than is needed for dealing with the
enviornment. And that explanation is that high intelligence evolved
to fool our fellow man (or more precisely to decieve the opposite
sex.).
Both sexes must built alliances, which has to involve some deception.
The way men and women must fool each other to each get what they want
(which is somewhat different in each case) is well known.
True, often following the rules and playing skillfully by the rules is
the best strategy. But knowing when the rewards outweigh the risks in
breaking the rules is also very important. |
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:56 pm |
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Rushtown wrote:
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Quote: Higher IQ people know the real trick is to be good at lying and
breaking the rules; and especially to know they are most likely to
get away with it.
You have it all wrong.
Higher IQ people know how to use the rules in ways that
maximize the benefit to themselves. They don't need to
break the rules to achieve what they want.
Perhaps that need to be redefined to some IQ higher
than yours? |
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| Amethyst Deceiver... |
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:58 am |
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In article <173814e9-156d-41f8-9e77-18e1fc8328e8
at (no spam) x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Rushtown at (no spam) aol.com says...
Quote: On May 5, 11:56ï¿=3Fam, Amethyst Deceiver <s... at (no spam) lindsayendell.org.uk
wrote:
On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT),Rushtown<Rusht... at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:
What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? ï¿=3F
You tell me, Andrew, you tell me.
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Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
I'm trying to think back to the 4th grade (9 years old) when my IQ was
equivalent to that of an adult with an 85 IQ.
And did you expect it to change when you grew up?
Please trim the sigs, Andrew. Someone with your towering intellect
should be able to manage that.
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Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary |
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| Rushtown... |
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:01 am |
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On May 6, 1:58�am, Amethyst Deceiver <s... at (no spam) lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: In article <173814e9-156d-41f8-9e77-18e1fc8328e8
at (no spam) x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Rusht... at (no spam) aol.com says...
On May 5, 11:56�=3Fam, Amethyst Deceiver <s... at (no spam) lindsayendell.org.uk
wrote:
On Sat, 3 May 2008 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT),Rushtown<Rusht... at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:
What is it like to go through life with an 85 IQ? �=3F
You tell me, Andrew, you tell me.
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Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
I'm trying to think back to the 4th grade (9 years old) when my IQ was
equivalent to that of an adult with an 85 IQ.
And did you expect it to change when you grew up?
Please trim the sigs, Andrew. Someone with your towering intellect �
should be able to manage that.
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Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
I can almost hear your RP accent now.
PS I am only good at talking not computer stuff. Rushtown, internet
troll (aka Andrew Smyth) |
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| foolsrushout... |
Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:03 am |
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Rushtown wrote:
Quote: On May 5, 8:56�pm, foolsrushout <6... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Rushtownwrote:
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Higher IQ people know the real trick is to be good at lying and
breaking the rules; �and especially to know they are most likely to
get away with it.
You have it all wrong.
Higher IQ people know how to use the rules in ways that
maximize the benefit to themselves. They don't need to
break the rules to achieve what they want.
Perhaps that need to be redefined to some IQ higher
than yours?
One of the signs that a child does not have autism is that he learns
to lie.
Diagnosis isn't always "the facts." Some autists are brilliant
while handicapped by the disease/condition.
Quote: You are probably familar with the current explanation why man has
evolved an intelligence far higher than is needed for dealing with the
enviornment. And that explanation is that high intelligence evolved
to fool our fellow man (or more precisely to decieve the opposite
sex.).
Deception isn't necessarily the same as breaking the rules. In fact
in the human mating game deception is generally accepted to be
within the rules. Use Clinton as an example.
Quote: Both sexes must built alliances, which has to involve some deception.
The way men and women must fool each other to each get what they want
(which is somewhat different in each case) is well known.
True, often following the rules and playing skillfully by the rules is
the best strategy. But knowing when the rewards outweigh the risks in
breaking the rules is also very important.
False. At what point do the rewards outweigh the risks involved
in murder (assuming life imprisonment or death to be the possible
punishment?) IMO rules are usually broken despite the risks.
Then there's the conflict between rule sets to consider. Militant
Islam thinks it is just fine to kill others without warning so long
as that's done on behalf of their faith. At one time ancestral
Europeans held the same belief set (indeed some probably still do.)
In these cases it is the dumbest that break "our" rules.
You have so many variables in the mix that you can't legitimately
make your case. (My rule!) |
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