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Paul Ciszek
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:49 am
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Luxim's website has very little actual information about their new
argon plasma light source. Does it realy radiate as a 5800K black
body source? Have any spectra been published? They haven't answered
my e-mail.


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Victor Roberts
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:04 pm
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:49:33 +0000 (UTC), nospam@nospam.com
(Paul Ciszek) wrote:

Quote:
Luxim's website has very little actual information about their new
argon plasma light source. Does it realy radiate as a 5800K black
body source? Have any spectra been published? They haven't answered
my e-mail.

It does not radiate as a blackbody because the CRI is listed
as "up to 88." However, the SPD is right on their data
sheet:

http://www.lifi.com/pdfs/ProductBulletinLIFI.pdf


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I.N. Galidakis
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:39 pm
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Victor Roberts wrote:
[snip]

Quote:
It does not radiate as a blackbody because the CRI is listed
as "up to 88." However, the SPD is right on their data
sheet:

http://www.lifi.com/pdfs/ProductBulletinLIFI.pdf

Fascinating SPD. Shows two sharp "dips", looking almost like absorption bands,
around 450 and 360nm. It would certainly make an interesting specimen for
spectroanalysis!
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RickR
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:50 pm
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On Apr 29, 1:39 pm, "I.N. Galidakis" <morph...@olympus.mons> wrote:
Quote:
Victor Roberts wrote:

[snip]

It does not radiate as a blackbody because the CRI is listed
as "up to 88."   However, the SPD is right on their data
sheet:

http://www.lifi.com/pdfs/ProductBulletinLIFI.pdf

Fascinating SPD. Shows two sharp "dips", looking almost like absorption bands,
around 450 and 360nm. It would certainly make an interesting specimen for
spectroanalysis!
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I.N. Galidakis

Might they be absorption in the fiber or a lens/reflector arrangement?
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Don Klipstein
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:31 pm
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In <ccf9ea73-6d04-4632-9577-976bac31cdc8@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
RickR wrote:

Quote:
On Apr 29, 1:39 pm, "I.N. Galidakis" <morph...@olympus.mons> wrote:
Victor Roberts wrote:

[snip]

It does not radiate as a blackbody because the CRI is listed
as "up to 88."   However, the SPD is right on their data
sheet:

http://www.lifi.com/pdfs/ProductBulletinLIFI.pdf

Fascinating SPD. Shows two sharp "dips", looking almost like absorption
bands, around 450 and 360nm. It would certainly make an interesting
specimen for spectroanalysis!
--
I.N. Galidakis

Might they be absorption in the fiber or a lens/reflector arrangement?

I just now got around to taking a look.

I notice narrow dips at 410 and 451 nm. I consider this typical of
indium. I have seen metal halide lamps with indium emission bands
broadened and self-reversed, and also broadened to unrecognizability while
the absorption features remain narrow enough to recognize.
I have seen that in some extra-blue HID headlight lamps - indium's blue
and violet emission bands broadened, mainly redward, through most of the
visible spectrum!

I don't recognize that roughly 520 nm bump as anything.

I recognize what I think are the 546 nm mercury line and the 590-596 nm
sodium feature - minor narrow bumps. I am guessing that the 436 nm
mercury line is not showing up due to the indium being optically thick in
the regions of the discharge that can produce this mercury wavelength.

The little 671 nm bump makes me think there is a small amount of
lithium.

As for that almost-770-nm bump: Makes me think potassium. But I don't
know why one would add potassium - a potassium compound maybe present as a
contaminant of the indium compound or of something else?

One thing notable: The CIE x and y chromaticity coordinates according
to the PDF. That data sounds to me greenish compared to an 8500K
blackbody.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
Victor Roberts
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:19 am
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:31:24 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com
(Don Klipstein) wrote:

Quote:
In <ccf9ea73-6d04-4632-9577-976bac31cdc8@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
RickR wrote:

On Apr 29, 1:39 pm, "I.N. Galidakis" <morph...@olympus.mons> wrote:
Victor Roberts wrote:

[snip]

It does not radiate as a blackbody because the CRI is listed
as "up to 88."   However, the SPD is right on their data
sheet:

http://www.lifi.com/pdfs/ProductBulletinLIFI.pdf

Fascinating SPD. Shows two sharp "dips", looking almost like absorption
bands, around 450 and 360nm. It would certainly make an interesting
specimen for spectroanalysis!
--
I.N. Galidakis

Might they be absorption in the fiber or a lens/reflector arrangement?

I just now got around to taking a look.

I notice narrow dips at 410 and 451 nm. I consider this typical of
indium. I have seen metal halide lamps with indium emission bands
broadened and self-reversed, and also broadened to unrecognizability while
the absorption features remain narrow enough to recognize.
I have seen that in some extra-blue HID headlight lamps - indium's blue
and violet emission bands broadened, mainly redward, through most of the
visible spectrum!

I don't recognize that roughly 520 nm bump as anything.

I recognize what I think are the 546 nm mercury line and the 590-596 nm
sodium feature - minor narrow bumps. I am guessing that the 436 nm
mercury line is not showing up due to the indium being optically thick in
the regions of the discharge that can produce this mercury wavelength.

The little 671 nm bump makes me think there is a small amount of
lithium.

As for that almost-770-nm bump: Makes me think potassium. But I don't
know why one would add potassium - a potassium compound maybe present as a
contaminant of the indium compound or of something else?

One thing notable: The CIE x and y chromaticity coordinates according
to the PDF. That data sounds to me greenish compared to an 8500K
blackbody.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

Their patent, US 6,933,021, mentions noble gas plus sulfur,
selenium and indium bromide. Other patents may mention other
materials. These are only listed as examples in the
specification, so their patent is obviously not limited to
these materials.

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Guest
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:00 pm
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:04:54 -0400, Victor Roberts
<xxx@lighting-research.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:49:33 +0000 (UTC), nospam@nospam.com
(Paul Ciszek) wrote:

Luxim's website has very little actual information about their new
argon plasma light source. Does it realy radiate as a 5800K black
body source? Have any spectra been published? They haven't answered
my e-mail.

It does not radiate as a blackbody because the CRI is listed
as "up to 88." However, the SPD is right on their data
sheet:

http://www.lifi.com/pdfs/ProductBulletinLIFI.pdf

I digitized the chart and got x,y of .318,.371 giving a CCT of 6050 K.
A little different than what is claimed.

Dave
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:37 pm
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Paul Ciszek <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

| Luxim's website has very little actual information about their new
| argon plasma light source. Does it realy radiate as a 5800K black
| body source? Have any spectra been published? They haven't answered
| my e-mail.

This is what you get when you let marketing run the website.

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