On Thu, 1 May 2008 20:13:59 -0700 (PDT), douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com
wrote in
news:5d244175-649c-4814-8eff-174204fe5074@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>:



Well...thanks, but I most definitely am *not* entitled to use those
postnominals...I'm only 16.5 years old --and am an undergrad at
Cerritos College--, and I plan on being a medical doctor, either an
internal medicine subspecialist, or an ophthalmologist. If I do become
a medical ophthalmologist and/or ophthalmic surgeon, I'll most
definitely try for those degrees and qualifications. And, since the
fictional --merely shares my name--

Well, thank you - I DON'T think! - for so comprehensvely making a fool of
me.  Quite a clever ruse - you should score high marks for disingenuity.

consultant medical ophthalmologist and ophthalmic surgeon has a "DM"
instead an "MD", and an "MCh", instead of a "ChM"  that means he
recieved his Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery, Doctor of Medicine, and
Master of Surgery from The University of Oxford; erudite guy, he is.
And, if I was who you were thinking of for that split second, why, pray
tell, would I be asking *this* question, let alone on Usenet?

That question has already been answered.

And I believe that Dr Sartorius is entitled to use the honorific of
"Doctor", since FRCP is an older qualification --RCPLond established
way before RCSEng--, thus it has higher precedence in the wonderfully
long table of British honors, degrees, and qualifications, so FRCP
outranks FRCS.

Not the easiest of things to keep up with from twenty-five thousand
kilometres away on the other side of the world!  Though I did think the DM
and MCh were a little odd compared to the more usual (at least in this
part of the world) MD ChM or MB ChB - however you being in the UK and me
not, I thought it may have been some local custom.

And what of my static retinoscopy vs. autorefractor question? Please
answer this.

No.  You will get no answer from me on this - I do not even pretend to
have any qualifications in the field of optometry.

--
- Nic.

On May 1, 8:57 pm, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.m...@t.large> wrote:



On Thu, 1 May 2008 20:13:59 -0700 (PDT), douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com
wrote in
news:5d244175-649c-4814-8eff-174204fe5074@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>:

Well...thanks, but I most definitely am *not* entitled to use those
postnominals...I'm only 16.5 years old --and am an undergrad at
Cerritos College--, and I plan on being a medical doctor, either an
internal medicine subspecialist, or an ophthalmologist. If I do become
a medical ophthalmologist and/or ophthalmic surgeon, I'll most
definitely try for those degrees and qualifications. And, since the
fictional --merely shares my name--

Well, thank you - I DON'T think! - for so comprehensvely making a fool of
me. Quite a clever ruse - you should score high marks for disingenuity.

consultant medical ophthalmologist and ophthalmic surgeon has a "DM"
instead an "MD", and an "MCh", instead of a "ChM" that means he
recieved his Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery, Doctor of Medicine, and
Master of Surgery from The University of Oxford; erudite guy, he is.
And, if I was who you were thinking of for that split second, why, pray
tell, would I be asking *this* question, let alone on Usenet?

That question has already been answered.

And I believe that Dr Sartorius is entitled to use the honorific of
"Doctor", since FRCP is an older qualification --RCPLond established
way before RCSEng--, thus it has higher precedence in the wonderfully
long table of British honors, degrees, and qualifications, so FRCP
outranks FRCS.

Not the easiest of things to keep up with from twenty-five thousand
kilometres away on the other side of the world! Though I did think the DM
and MCh were a little odd compared to the more usual (at least in this
part of the world) MD ChM or MB ChB - however you being in the UK and me
not, I thought it may have been some local custom.

And what of my static retinoscopy vs. autorefractor question? Please
answer this.

No. You will get no answer from me on this - I do not even pretend to
have any qualifications in the field of optometry.

--
- Nic.

Um, I'm also in the USA...I just plan on studying medicine in the UK.

On May 1, 8:39 pm, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

O
So, a comparison of static retinoscopy and autorefraction is in order.
Is SR better then AR, worse, or equal?

With cyclopleged eyes, they give about the same result. Glasses
prescriptions will usually be based on subjective refraction, not SR
or AR.

Oh, and in England, if you're a consultant ophthalmologist and
ophthalmic surgeon, and are named "Douglas K. Sartorius, DM, MCh,
FRCP, FRCS, FRCOphth", are you addressed as "Doctor", or "Mister"?

You'll have to ask someone locally. I seem to remember that Mr
carries more prestige in England, and that professors of medicine are
called Mr, while mere run of the mill MDs are called Dr.

Judy

Can I private email you, Zetsu?

On 2 May, 05:19, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:





On May 1, 8:57 pm, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.m...@t.large> wrote:

On Thu, 1 May 2008 20:13:59 -0700 (PDT), douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com
wrote in
news:5d244175-649c-4814-8eff-174204fe5074@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>:

Well...thanks, but I most definitely am *not* entitled to use those
postnominals...I'm only 16.5 years old --and am an undergrad at
Cerritos College--, and I plan on being a medical doctor, either an
internal medicine subspecialist, or an ophthalmologist. If I do become
a medical ophthalmologist and/or ophthalmic surgeon, I'll most
definitely try for those degrees and qualifications. And, since the
fictional --merely shares my name--

Well, thank you - I DON'T think! - for so comprehensvely making a fool of
me.  Quite a clever ruse - you should score high marks for disingenuity.

consultant medical ophthalmologist and ophthalmic surgeon has a "DM"
instead an "MD", and an "MCh", instead of a "ChM"  that means he
recieved his Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery, Doctor of Medicine, and
Master of Surgery from The University of Oxford; erudite guy, he is.
And, if I was who you were thinking of for that split second, why, pray
tell, would I be asking *this* question, let alone on Usenet?

That question has already been answered.

And I believe that Dr Sartorius is entitled to use the honorific of
"Doctor", since FRCP is an older qualification --RCPLond established
way before RCSEng--, thus it has higher precedence in the wonderfully
long table of British honors, degrees, and qualifications, so FRCP
outranks FRCS.

Not the easiest of things to keep up with from twenty-five thousand
kilometres away on the other side of the world!  Though I did think the DM
and MCh were a little odd compared to the more usual (at least in this
part of the world) MD ChM or MB ChB - however you being in the UK and me
not, I thought it may have been some local custom.

And what of my static retinoscopy vs. autorefractor question? Please
answer this.

No.  You will get no answer from me on this - I do not even pretend to
have any qualifications in the field of optometry.

--
- Nic.

Um, I'm also in the USA...I just plan on studying medicine in the UK.

Wow! You can come visit me! I live in the UK!
Have you decided which Uni you want to apply for?

On 2 May, 05:18, Dr Judy <mpac...@rogers.com> wrote:





On May 1, 8:39 pm, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

O
So, a comparison of static retinoscopy and autorefraction is in order.
Is SR better then AR, worse, or equal?

With cyclopleged eyes, they give about the same result.  Glasses
prescriptions will usually be based on subjective refraction, not SR
or AR.

Oh, and in England, if you're a consultant ophthalmologist and
ophthalmic surgeon, and are named "Douglas K. Sartorius, DM, MCh,
FRCP, FRCS, FRCOphth", are you addressed as "Doctor", or "Mister"?

You'll have to ask someone locally.  I seem to remember that Mr
carries more prestige in England, and that professors of medicine are
called Mr, while mere run of the mill MDs are called Dr.

Judy

Well, I am a local from the UK, and from my personal and experiential
perspective, 'Mister' is a lot less prestiguous sounding than
'Doctor'! But then we have other titles that are really high up, like
'Sir', or 'Lord', or 'Your Highness'. OK, I made the last one up.
Anyway, I doubt there's a lot of difference between here and the US. I
mean, it's us Brits who discovered your land in the first place isn't
it? Oh well, I can't remember (not a good historian).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ignore Neil! He's just a long term resident here who likes to spend
the majority of his time poking incessant taunts to another resident
called Otis Brown. He hasn't even got anything better to do with his
miserable life!

On May 1, 9:25 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:



On 2 May, 05:19, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 1, 8:57 pm, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.m...@t.large> wrote:

On Thu, 1 May 2008 20:13:59 -0700 (PDT), douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com
wrote in
news:5d244175-649c-4814-8eff-174204fe5074@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>:

Well...thanks, but I most definitely am *not* entitled to use those
postnominals...I'm only 16.5 years old --and am an undergrad at
Cerritos College--, and I plan on being a medical doctor, either an
internal medicine subspecialist, or an ophthalmologist. If I do become
a medical ophthalmologist and/or ophthalmic surgeon, I'll most
definitely try for those degrees and qualifications. And, since the
fictional --merely shares my name--

Well, thank you - I DON'T think! - for so comprehensvely making a fool of
me. Quite a clever ruse - you should score high marks for disingenuity.

consultant medical ophthalmologist and ophthalmic surgeon has a "DM"
instead an "MD", and an "MCh", instead of a "ChM" that means he
recieved his Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery, Doctor of Medicine, and
Master of Surgery from The University of Oxford; erudite guy, he is.
And, if I was who you were thinking of for that split second, why, pray
tell, would I be asking *this* question, let alone on Usenet?

That question has already been answered.

And I believe that Dr Sartorius is entitled to use the honorific of
"Doctor", since FRCP is an older qualification --RCPLond established
way before RCSEng--, thus it has higher precedence in the wonderfully
long table of British honors, degrees, and qualifications, so FRCP
outranks FRCS.

Not the easiest of things to keep up with from twenty-five thousand
kilometres away on the other side of the world! Though I did think the DM
and MCh were a little odd compared to the more usual (at least in this
part of the world) MD ChM or MB ChB - however you being in the UK and me
not, I thought it may have been some local custom.

And what of my static retinoscopy vs. autorefractor question? Please
answer this.

No. You will get no answer from me on this - I do not even pretend to
have any qualifications in the field of optometry.

--
- Nic.

Um, I'm also in the USA...I just plan on studying medicine in the UK.

Wow! You can come visit me! I live in the UK!
Have you decided which Uni you want to apply for?

On 2 May, 05:18, Dr Judy <mpac...@rogers.com> wrote:

On May 1, 8:39 pm, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

O
So, a comparison of static retinoscopy and autorefraction is in order.
Is SR better then AR, worse, or equal?

With cyclopleged eyes, they give about the same result. Glasses
prescriptions will usually be based on subjective refraction, not SR
or AR.

Oh, and in England, if you're a consultant ophthalmologist and
ophthalmic surgeon, and are named "Douglas K. Sartorius, DM, MCh,
FRCP, FRCS, FRCOphth", are you addressed as "Doctor", or "Mister"?

You'll have to ask someone locally. I seem to remember that Mr
carries more prestige in England, and that professors of medicine are
called Mr, while mere run of the mill MDs are called Dr.

Judy

Well, I am a local from the UK, and from my personal and experiential
perspective, 'Mister' is a lot less prestiguous sounding than
'Doctor'! But then we have other titles that are really high up, like
'Sir', or 'Lord', or 'Your Highness'. OK, I made the last one up.
Anyway, I doubt there's a lot of difference between here and the US. I
mean, it's us Brits who discovered your land in the first place isn't
it? Oh well, I can't remember (not a good historian).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, I plan on getting my BSc in Molecular Medicine from Sussex,
maybe a MSc in Genetic Manipulation and Molecular Cell Biology/MPhil
in Biochemistry from Sussex, and my BM BCh from Oxford, doing a
preliminary internship in internal medicine at UCSF, my internal
medicine residency at MGH, passing the ABIM Internal Medicine Board
Certification exam *and* MRCP(UK), and my hematology/medical oncology
fellowship at The Mayo Clinic, passing the ABIM Subspecialty Boards in
hematology and medical oncology *and* new MRCP Part 3 exam in medical
oncology, then a research fellowship, either in the US or UK, where
I'll do research for the Oxford DM dissertation. Then apply for GMC --
they'll accept the ABIM boards!-- registration, and inclusion on the
GMC Specialist Register as a Consultant Physician, Haematologist, and
Medical Oncologist. Then work at Oxford --if I decide to live and work
in the UK-- or UCSF/HMS/The Mayo Clinic as a medical professor/
biomedical scientist/consultant haematologist and medical oncologist.
Maybe my research'll be good enough to someday allow me to supplicate
for an Oxford DSc, or even be nominated for FRS. Maybe I'll also
become a Master of the American College of Physicians --an even higher
honor then FACP, only around 25% of FACPs make it to Mastership--, or
a Member of the National Academy of Sciences. Maybe I'll be known as
"Professor Douglas K. Sartorius, DM, DSc, MACP, FRCP"!

It was Columbus or Lief Eriksson. I believe Lief Eriksson *discovered*
it; Columbus ran into it. A Norse or a Spainard.

Judy, if you're a medical professor --or any other professor--, your
honorific is "Prof".

On May 1, 9:21 am, "Mike Tyner" <mty...@mindspring.com> wrote:

Retinoscopy is a dying art. Most retinoscopy used to be done to gain a
starting point for subjective refraction, an estimate. Many doctors now
use
autorefractors for that, and consequently never pick up a retinoscope.
I
wouldn't either, except sometimes I get ahead of my staff and patients
haven't had the autorefraction done yet.

How would you use the autorefractor to find an inital starting point
for the static retinoscopy?

On May 1, 9:32 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ignore Neil! He's just a long term resident here who likes to spend
the majority of his time poking incessant taunts to another resident
called Otis Brown. He hasn't even got anything better to do with his
miserable life!

His hatred for Otis Brown is *well* justified; Otis Brown believes in
dangerous, obsolete, harmful techniques such as:

His hatred for you I don't understand. Is it b/c you're 16? I'm 16,
and he isn't trying to get *me* off the forum.

On 2 May, 05:45, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:





On May 1, 9:25 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2 May, 05:19, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 1, 8:57 pm, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.m...@t.large> wrote:

On Thu, 1 May 2008 20:13:59 -0700 (PDT), douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com
wrote in
news:5d244175-649c-4814-8eff-174204fe5074@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>:

Well...thanks, but I most definitely am *not* entitled to use those
postnominals...I'm only 16.5 years old --and am an undergrad at
Cerritos College--, and I plan on being a medical doctor, either an
internal medicine subspecialist, or an ophthalmologist. If I do become
a medical ophthalmologist and/or ophthalmic surgeon, I'll most
definitely try for those degrees and qualifications. And, since the
fictional --merely shares my name--

Well, thank you - I DON'T think! - for so comprehensvely making a fool of
me.  Quite a clever ruse - you should score high marks for disingenuity.

consultant medical ophthalmologist and ophthalmic surgeon has a "DM"
instead an "MD", and an "MCh", instead of a "ChM"  that means he
recieved his Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery, Doctor of Medicine, and
Master of Surgery from The University of Oxford; erudite guy, he is.
And, if I was who you were thinking of for that split second, why, pray
tell, would I be asking *this* question, let alone on Usenet?

That question has already been answered.

And I believe that Dr Sartorius is entitled to use the honorific of
"Doctor", since FRCP is an older qualification --RCPLond established
way before RCSEng--, thus it has higher precedence in the wonderfully
long table of British honors, degrees, and qualifications, so FRCP
outranks FRCS.

Not the easiest of things to keep up with from twenty-five thousand
kilometres away on the other side of the world!  Though I did think the DM
and MCh were a little odd compared to the more usual (at least in this
part of the world) MD ChM or MB ChB - however you being in the UK and me
not, I thought it may have been some local custom.

And what of my static retinoscopy vs. autorefractor question? Please
answer this.

No.  You will get no answer from me on this - I do not even pretend to
have any qualifications in the field of optometry.

--
- Nic.

Um, I'm also in the USA...I just plan on studying medicine in the UK..

Wow! You can come visit me! I live in the UK!
Have you decided which Uni you want to apply for?

On 2 May, 05:18, Dr Judy <mpac...@rogers.com> wrote:

On May 1, 8:39 pm, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

O
So, a comparison of static retinoscopy and autorefraction is in order.
Is SR better then AR, worse, or equal?

With cyclopleged eyes, they give about the same result.  Glasses
prescriptions will usually be based on subjective refraction, not SR
or AR.

Oh, and in England, if you're a consultant ophthalmologist and
ophthalmic surgeon, and are named "Douglas K. Sartorius, DM, MCh,
FRCP, FRCS, FRCOphth", are you addressed as "Doctor", or "Mister"?

You'll have to ask someone locally.  I seem to remember that Mr
carries more prestige in England, and that professors of medicine are
called Mr, while mere run of the mill MDs are called Dr.

Judy

Well, I am a local from the UK, and from my personal and experiential
perspective, 'Mister' is a lot less prestiguous sounding than
'Doctor'! But then we have other titles that are really high up, like
'Sir', or 'Lord', or 'Your Highness'. OK, I made the last one up.
Anyway, I doubt there's a lot of difference between here and the US. I
mean, it's us Brits who discovered your land in the first place isn't
it? Oh well, I can't remember (not a good historian).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, I plan on getting my BSc in Molecular Medicine from Sussex,
maybe a MSc in Genetic Manipulation and Molecular Cell Biology/MPhil
in Biochemistry from Sussex, and my BM BCh from Oxford, doing a
preliminary internship in internal medicine at UCSF, my internal
medicine residency at MGH, passing the ABIM Internal Medicine Board
Certification exam *and* MRCP(UK), and my hematology/medical oncology
fellowship at The Mayo Clinic, passing the ABIM Subspecialty Boards in
hematology and medical oncology *and* new MRCP Part 3 exam in medical
oncology, then a research fellowship, either in the US or UK, where
I'll do research for the Oxford DM dissertation. Then apply for GMC --
they'll accept the ABIM boards!-- registration, and inclusion on the
GMC Specialist Register as a Consultant Physician, Haematologist, and
Medical Oncologist. Then work at Oxford --if I decide to live and work
in the UK-- or UCSF/HMS/The Mayo Clinic as a medical professor/
biomedical scientist/consultant haematologist and medical oncologist.
Maybe my research'll be good enough to someday allow me to supplicate
for an Oxford DSc, or even be nominated for FRS. Maybe I'll also
become a Master of the American College of Physicians --an even higher
honor then FACP, only around 25% of FACPs make it to Mastership--, or
a Member of the National Academy of Sciences. Maybe I'll be known as
"Professor Douglas K. Sartorius, DM, DSc, MACP, FRCP"!

It was Columbus or Lief Eriksson. I believe Lief Eriksson *discovered*
it; Columbus ran into it. A Norse or a Spainard.

Judy, if you're a medical professor --or any other professor--, your
honorific is "Prof".

HOLY CRAP! THIS GUY MUST BE EINSTEIN
I mean, good to have a plan for your future and all... but holy crap.
Next thing we know, you'll be inventing the second theory of relativity- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On May 1, 9:51 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:



On 2 May, 05:45, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 1, 9:25 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2 May, 05:19, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 1, 8:57 pm, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.m...@t.large> wrote:

On Thu, 1 May 2008 20:13:59 -0700 (PDT), douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com
wrote in
news:5d244175-649c-4814-8eff-174204fe5074@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>:

Well...thanks, but I most definitely am *not* entitled to use those
postnominals...I'm only 16.5 years old --and am an undergrad at
Cerritos College--, and I plan on being a medical doctor, either an
internal medicine subspecialist, or an ophthalmologist. If I do become
a medical ophthalmologist and/or ophthalmic surgeon, I'll most
definitely try for those degrees and qualifications. And, since the
fictional --merely shares my name--

Well, thank you - I DON'T think! - for so comprehensvely making a fool of
me. Quite a clever ruse - you should score high marks for disingenuity.

consultant medical ophthalmologist and ophthalmic surgeon has a "DM"
instead an "MD", and an "MCh", instead of a "ChM" that means he
recieved his Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery, Doctor of Medicine, and
Master of Surgery from The University of Oxford; erudite guy, he is.
And, if I was who you were thinking of for that split second, why, pray
tell, would I be asking *this* question, let alone on Usenet?

That question has already been answered.

And I believe that Dr Sartorius is entitled to use the honorific of
"Doctor", since FRCP is an older qualification --RCPLond established
way before RCSEng--, thus it has higher precedence in the wonderfully
long table of British honors, degrees, and qualifications, so FRCP
outranks FRCS.

Not the easiest of things to keep up with from twenty-five thousand
kilometres away on the other side of the world! Though I did think the DM
and MCh were a little odd compared to the more usual (at least in this
part of the world) MD ChM or MB ChB - however you being in the UK and me
not, I thought it may have been some local custom.

And what of my static retinoscopy vs. autorefractor question? Please
answer this.

No. You will get no answer from me on this - I do not even pretend to
have any qualifications in the field of optometry.

--
- Nic.

Um, I'm also in the USA...I just plan on studying medicine in the UK.

Wow! You can come visit me! I live in the UK!
Have you decided which Uni you want to apply for?

On 2 May, 05:18, Dr Judy <mpac...@rogers.com> wrote:

On May 1, 8:39 pm, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

O
So, a comparison of static retinoscopy and autorefraction is in order.
Is SR better then AR, worse, or equal?

With cyclopleged eyes, they give about the same result. Glasses
prescriptions will usually be based on subjective refraction, not SR
or AR.

Oh, and in England, if you're a consultant ophthalmologist and
ophthalmic surgeon, and are named "Douglas K. Sartorius, DM, MCh,
FRCP, FRCS, FRCOphth", are you addressed as "Doctor", or "Mister"?

You'll have to ask someone locally. I seem to remember that Mr
carries more prestige in England, and that professors of medicine are
called Mr, while mere run of the mill MDs are called Dr.

Judy

Well, I am a local from the UK, and from my personal and experiential
perspective, 'Mister' is a lot less prestiguous sounding than
'Doctor'! But then we have other titles that are really high up, like
'Sir', or 'Lord', or 'Your Highness'. OK, I made the last one up.
Anyway, I doubt there's a lot of difference between here and the US. I
mean, it's us Brits who discovered your land in the first place isn't
it? Oh well, I can't remember (not a good historian).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, I plan on getting my BSc in Molecular Medicine from Sussex,
maybe a MSc in Genetic Manipulation and Molecular Cell Biology/MPhil
in Biochemistry from Sussex, and my BM BCh from Oxford, doing a
preliminary internship in internal medicine at UCSF, my internal
medicine residency at MGH, passing the ABIM Internal Medicine Board
Certification exam *and* MRCP(UK), and my hematology/medical oncology
fellowship at The Mayo Clinic, passing the ABIM Subspecialty Boards in
hematology and medical oncology *and* new MRCP Part 3 exam in medical
oncology, then a research fellowship, either in the US or UK, where
I'll do research for the Oxford DM dissertation. Then apply for GMC --
they'll accept the ABIM boards!-- registration, and inclusion on the
GMC Specialist Register as a Consultant Physician, Haematologist, and
Medical Oncologist. Then work at Oxford --if I decide to live and work
in the UK-- or UCSF/HMS/The Mayo Clinic as a medical professor/
biomedical scientist/consultant haematologist and medical oncologist.
Maybe my research'll be good enough to someday allow me to supplicate
for an Oxford DSc, or even be nominated for FRS. Maybe I'll also
become a Master of the American College of Physicians --an even higher
honor then FACP, only around 25% of FACPs make it to Mastership--, or
a Member of the National Academy of Sciences. Maybe I'll be known as
"Professor Douglas K. Sartorius, DM, DSc, MACP, FRCP"!

It was Columbus or Lief Eriksson. I believe Lief Eriksson *discovered*
it; Columbus ran into it. A Norse or a Spainard.

Judy, if you're a medical professor --or any other professor--, your
honorific is "Prof".

HOLY CRAP! THIS GUY MUST BE EINSTEIN
I mean, good to have a plan for your future and all... but holy crap.
Next thing we know, you'll be inventing the second theory of relativity- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please tell me you mean that sarcastically...I'm not Einstein by any
stretch of the imagination. I'm just an obsessive planner. My Dr-
friend, Dr Sleiman, says I'll probably invent some revolutionary
medical device or treatment...well, maybe, maybe not. I absolutely
hate it when people are overconfident in my abilities...it's like
reverse arrogance.

On 2 May, 05:49, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 1, 9:32 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ignore Neil! He's just a long term resident here who likes to spend
the majority of his time poking incessant taunts to another resident
called Otis Brown. He hasn't even got anything better to do with his
miserable life!

His hatred for Otis Brown is *well* justified; Otis Brown believes in
dangerous, obsolete, harmful techniques such as:

It probably is justified, I agree that Otis isn't the best source of
vision advice, but there's no need to take it public and make a
condumdrum. He can use other functions of internet, hint 'private
messaging'.



His hatred for you I don't understand. Is it b/c you're 16? I'm 16,
and he isn't trying to get *me* off the forum.

Well, it's a long story.
But basically I'm what they call a 'Bates Believer' and these guys
don't like it. Well, it's a long argument and just search back in the
archives of SMV and you can see what I mean!

On May 1, 9:55 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:



On 2 May, 05:49, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 1, 9:32 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ignore Neil! He's just a long term resident here who likes to spend
the majority of his time poking incessant taunts to another resident
called Otis Brown. He hasn't even got anything better to do with his
miserable life!

His hatred for Otis Brown is *well* justified; Otis Brown believes in
dangerous, obsolete, harmful techniques such as:

It probably is justified, I agree that Otis isn't the best source of
vision advice, but there's no need to take it public and make a
condumdrum. He can use other functions of internet, hint 'private
messaging'.

His hatred for you I don't understand. Is it b/c you're 16? I'm 16,
and he isn't trying to get *me* off the forum.

Well, it's a long story.
But basically I'm what they call a 'Bates Believer' and these guys
don't like it. Well, it's a long argument and just search back in the
archives of SMV and you can see what I mean!

Well, have you tried it? Did it provide a noticible effect, for you?
Then, did it provide the results you were seeking on a triple-blind
study of a random group of people in a controlled randomized trial? If
so, then your belief is justified, if not, then it's not. Use evidence-
based medicine, baby! But you can believe whatever you want. As long
as the Bates method works for you, is all I care about. But people
like Otis who think it's the only method to correct myopia, are
arrogant and stupid.

On 2 May, 05:55, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:





On May 1, 9:51 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2 May, 05:45, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 1, 9:25 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2 May, 05:19, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 1, 8:57 pm, Nicolaas Hawkins <grumpy.m...@t.large> wrote:

On Thu, 1 May 2008 20:13:59 -0700 (PDT), douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com
wrote in
news:5d244175-649c-4814-8eff-174204fe5074@d19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>:

Well...thanks, but I most definitely am *not* entitled to use those
postnominals...I'm only 16.5 years old --and am an undergrad at
Cerritos College--, and I plan on being a medical doctor, either an
internal medicine subspecialist, or an ophthalmologist. If I do become
a medical ophthalmologist and/or ophthalmic surgeon, I'll most
definitely try for those degrees and qualifications. And, since the
fictional --merely shares my name--

Well, thank you - I DON'T think! - for so comprehensvely making a fool of
me.  Quite a clever ruse - you should score high marks for disingenuity.

consultant medical ophthalmologist and ophthalmic surgeon has a "DM"
instead an "MD", and an "MCh", instead of a "ChM"  that means he
recieved his Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery, Doctor of Medicine, and
Master of Surgery from The University of Oxford; erudite guy, he is.
And, if I was who you were thinking of for that split second, why, pray
tell, would I be asking *this* question, let alone on Usenet?

That question has already been answered.

And I believe that Dr Sartorius is entitled to use the honorific of
"Doctor", since FRCP is an older qualification --RCPLond established
way before RCSEng--, thus it has higher precedence in the wonderfully
long table of British honors, degrees, and qualifications, so FRCP
outranks FRCS.

Not the easiest of things to keep up with from twenty-five thousand
kilometres away on the other side of the world!  Though I did think the DM
and MCh were a little odd compared to the more usual (at least in this
part of the world) MD ChM or MB ChB - however you being in the UK and me
not, I thought it may have been some local custom.

And what of my static retinoscopy vs. autorefractor question? Please
answer this.

No.  You will get no answer from me on this - I do not even pretend to
have any qualifications in the field of optometry.

--
- Nic.

Um, I'm also in the USA...I just plan on studying medicine in the UK.

Wow! You can come visit me! I live in the UK!
Have you decided which Uni you want to apply for?

On 2 May, 05:18, Dr Judy <mpac...@rogers.com> wrote:

On May 1, 8:39 pm, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

O
So, a comparison of static retinoscopy and autorefraction is in order.
Is SR better then AR, worse, or equal?

With cyclopleged eyes, they give about the same result.  Glasses
prescriptions will usually be based on subjective refraction, not SR
or AR.

Oh, and in England, if you're a consultant ophthalmologist and
ophthalmic surgeon, and are named "Douglas K. Sartorius, DM, MCh,
FRCP, FRCS, FRCOphth", are you addressed as "Doctor", or "Mister"?

You'll have to ask someone locally.  I seem to remember that Mr
carries more prestige in England, and that professors of medicine are
called Mr, while mere run of the mill MDs are called Dr.

Judy

Well, I am a local from the UK, and from my personal and experiential
perspective, 'Mister' is a lot less prestiguous sounding than
'Doctor'! But then we have other titles that are really high up, like
'Sir', or 'Lord', or 'Your Highness'. OK, I made the last one up.
Anyway, I doubt there's a lot of difference between here and the US. I
mean, it's us Brits who discovered your land in the first place isn't
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Yeah, I plan on getting my BSc in Molecular Medicine from Sussex,
maybe a MSc in Genetic Manipulation and Molecular Cell Biology/MPhil
in Biochemistry from Sussex, and my BM BCh from Oxford, doing a
preliminary internship in internal medicine at UCSF, my internal
medicine residency at MGH, passing the ABIM Internal Medicine Board
Certification exam *and* MRCP(UK), and my hematology/medical oncology
fellowship at The Mayo Clinic, passing the ABIM Subspecialty Boards in
hematology and medical oncology *and* new MRCP Part 3 exam in medical
oncology, then a research fellowship, either in the US or UK, where
I'll do research for the Oxford DM dissertation. Then apply for GMC --
they'll accept the ABIM boards!-- registration, and inclusion on the
GMC Specialist Register as a Consultant Physician, Haematologist, and
Medical Oncologist. Then work at Oxford --if I decide to live and work
in the UK-- or UCSF/HMS/The Mayo Clinic as a medical professor/
biomedical scientist/consultant haematologist and medical oncologist..
Maybe my research'll be good enough to someday allow me to supplicate
for an Oxford DSc, or even be nominated for FRS. Maybe I'll also
become a Master of the American College of Physicians --an even higher
honor then FACP, only around 25% of FACPs make it to Mastership--, or
a Member of the National Academy of Sciences. Maybe I'll be known as
"Professor Douglas K. Sartorius, DM, DSc, MACP, FRCP"!

It was Columbus or Lief Eriksson. I believe Lief Eriksson *discovered*
it; Columbus ran into it. A Norse or a Spainard.

Judy, if you're a medical professor --or any other professor--, your
honorific is "Prof".

HOLY CRAP! THIS GUY MUST BE EINSTEIN
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Please tell me you mean that sarcastically...I'm not Einstein by any
stretch of the imagination. I'm just an obsessive planner. My Dr-
friend, Dr Sleiman, says I'll probably invent some revolutionary
medical device or treatment...well, maybe, maybe not. I absolutely
hate it when people are overconfident in my abilities...it's like
reverse arrogance.

Well, me and Jason are going to do some interesting stuff in our
future like curing the world from eyeglasses. You can join us if you
want. But first you have to read some books. The Cure of Imperfect
Sight Without Glasses is where it all begins. I am going to prove to
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On 2 May, 05:59, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:





On May 1, 9:55 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2 May, 05:49, douglas <Protoman2...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 1, 9:32 pm, Zetsu <absolutelyinvinci...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ignore Neil! He's just a long term resident here who likes to spend
the majority of his time poking incessant taunts to another resident
called Otis Brown. He hasn't even got anything better to do with his
miserable life!

His hatred for Otis Brown is *well* justified; Otis Brown believes in
dangerous, obsolete, harmful techniques such as:

It probably is justified, I agree that Otis isn't the best source of
vision advice, but there's no need to take it public and make a
condumdrum. He can use other functions of internet, hint 'private
messaging'.

His hatred for you I don't understand. Is it b/c you're 16? I'm 16,
and he isn't trying to get *me* off the forum.

Well, it's a long story.
But basically I'm what they call a 'Bates Believer' and these guys
don't like it. Well, it's a long argument and just search back in the
archives of SMV and you can see what I mean!

Well, have you tried it? Did it provide a noticible effect, for you?
Then, did it provide the results you were seeking on a triple-blind
study of a random group of people in a controlled randomized trial? If
so, then your belief is justified, if not, then it's not. Use evidence-
based medicine, baby! But you can believe whatever you want. As long
as the Bates method works for you, is all I care about. But people
like Otis who think it's the only method to correct myopia, are
arrogant and stupid.

Actually, the method Otis advocates has nothing to do with Bates. It's
something completely different, plus lenses, which Bates is totally
against (in fact he's against any form of eyeglasses).

I haven't done the triple blind studies yet but when I get older I
will. Then we will get the nobel prize. I know I sound like a quack
but I know for sure the Bates system works. There is no doubt. I can
prove it to you in a few seconds actually! You just have to take off
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