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| Whata Fool |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:16 pm |
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solon fox <solonfox@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Apr 29, 2:26?pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
"Day Brown" <daybr...@hughes.net> wrote
People are starving in large part because Christian charities fed the
starving babies, but never also provided birth control.
? You mean like the Bush administration pulling any KKKonservative
Gubberment funding from any
aid program that provided family planning services.
? But then under Libertarian rule, there wouldn't be any aid programs at
all, now would there?
? Oh, by the way... There haven't been any significant number of starving
people in the world for the last 30 years. ?Lots of malnourished people, but
starvation has been the either the result of capitalists refusing to provide
food during times of famine or war.
? Famine is invariably a Capitalist crime.
"Day Brown" <daybr...@hughes.net> wrote
Thus, ?populations have risen to the point where their own tribal
ecosystems
will no longer support the numbers.
? Given that the U.S. has been importing more food than it has been
producing through the entire Bush Administration, one has to wonder how the
U.S. tribe will manage to survive it's continuing fiscal and social
collapse.
Food shortages were common in the Soviet Union and are well known to
Communist China and North Korea as well.
Historically, famine is the result of natural disasters such as
drought and pestilence. The man made causes of famine include warfare
and bad economic policy, not capitalism.
-solon fox
VD must be affecting the brain of V.D., the statement above is
a bizarre case of insanity, the US produces far more food than it
imports, and is likely the largest exporter of grain.
Yet almost half of all farmland worldwide lies idle, nations
need to stop focusing on politics and encourage citizens to go into
farming. |
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| V-for-Vendicar |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:24 pm |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote
Quote: How many millions did that infamous capitalist, Stalin, starve?
About 8 million starved under Stalin's brutal rule. But of course, none
would have starved had he not embarked on a Capitalist plan to sell grain on
the global market to obtain funds for modernization of the Russian nation.
And of course, none would have starved had Capitalists not refused to
provide excess food to the starving at a price that they could afford. |
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| V-for-Vendicar |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:27 pm |
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Quote: On Apr 29, 2:26?pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
? Oh, by the way... There haven't been any significant number of
starving
people in the world for the last 30 years. ?Lots of malnourished people,
but
starvation has been the either the result of capitalists refusing to
provide
food during times of famine or war.
"Whata Fool" <whata@fool.ami> wrote in message
Quote: VD must be affecting the brain of V.D., the statement above is
a bizarre case of insanity
The Fool obviously does not live in the Reality based community.
"Whata Fool" <whata@fool.ami> wrote in message
Quote: the US produces far more food than it imports, and is likely the largest
exporter of grain.
Grain yes, but overall no. AmeriKKKa hasn't fed itself in almost a
decade.
"Whata Fool" <whata@fool.ami> wrote in message
Quote: Yet almost half of all farmland worldwide lies idle, nations
need to stop focusing on politics and encourage citizens to go into
farming.
The Greens have been saying that for decades. |
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| V-for-Vendicar |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:29 pm |
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Quote: Yup. Invariably.
Food production has always been greater than consumption. Food
hoarding
by Capitalists has always been the ultimate factor in creating Famine.
This was not the case when man was still living in the trees with his
Libertarian brothers.
"Tunderbar" <tdcomeau@gmail.com> wrote
Quote: Ya cain't read, kin ya? Moron.
I can. I even notice your use of the non-word "caint".
But then you have always been a ....
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:30 pm |
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"Harold Burton" <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote
Quote: Don't feed the troll.
Oh, by the way... There haven't been any significant number of starving
people in the world for the last 30 years. Lots of malnourished people, but
starvation has been the either the result of capitalists refusing to provide
food during times of famine or war.
Famine is invariably a Capitalist crime. |
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| V-for-Vendicar |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:30 pm |
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"Harold Burton" <hal.i.burton@hotmail.com> wrote
Quote: Don't feed the troll.
Oh, by the way... There haven't been any significant number of starving
people in the world for the last 30 years. Lots of malnourished people, but
starvation has been the either the result of capitalists refusing to
provide
food during times of famine or war.
Famine is invariably a Capitalist crime. |
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| V-for-Vendicar |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:30 pm |
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Oh, by the way... There haven't been any significant number of starving
people in the world for the last 30 years. Lots of malnourished people, but
starvation has been the either the result of capitalists refusing to
provide
food during times of famine or war.
Famine is invariably a Capitalist crime. |
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| V-for-Vendicar |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:34 pm |
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Quote: But then under Libertarian rule, there wouldn't be any aid programs
at
all, now would there?
"Poetic Justice" <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote
Quote: That would be Natural selection, which is what the Liberals want the world
to become... No humans killing animals, all species left to their own
natural balance.
Ah, the KKKonservative Libertarian paradise. Also known as Libertopia.
All the Liberals I know uphold the generally Christian ethics of serving
society rather than self.
"Poetic Justice" <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote
Quote: Libertarians don't mind Human interference in nature. Libertarians would
allow private humanitarian aid, instead of requiring someone else's money
to use.
But since Libertarianism is based on pure greed and absolute self
interest, there would no humanitarian efforts. |
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| V-for-Vendicar |
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:23 am |
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Quote: No. But when Capitalists refuse to provide food at an affordable cost to
those who are starving, then the famine is ultimately the result of food
hoarding by Capitalists.
"Michael Price" <nini_pad@yahoo.com> wrote
Quote: No because "food hoarding" happen unless there's a reason to believe
prices are going to go up.
So according to Libertarian Michael Price, if someone who has food
realizes that prices are going up they will sell their food rather than
hoard, and sell later at a higher price.
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"Michael Price" <nini_pad@yahoo.com> wrote
Quote: This reason is generally the result of government
policy so it's the government that's to blame.
Very odd. Which governmetns are preventing capitalists from selling food
to the worlds claimed starving at an affordable price?
You have been pegged as a serial Liar so references will be required. |
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| V-for-Vendicar |
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:29 am |
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Quote: Soviet Famine in the Stalen era was in large part a result of the state
exporting food for sale on global markets in order to acquire money for
modernization.
In other words.. Capitalism.
"Michael Price" <nini_pad@yahoo.com> wrote
Quote: I see, so for you anything involving money is capitalism, even if
it specifically does not have private ownership of the means of
production.
Yes, by definition, the exchange of capital (money) for product or service
is capitalism.
Certainly Stalen was acting as a capitalist when he decided to export
Russian farm production in exchange for hard currancy.
We see the same thing in Zimbabwea today under Mugabe.
And of course we saw the same pattern of behaviour in Ethieopia, and
elsewhere.
Now the question remains.
If famine exists - as your KKKonervative brother claimed - why are
Capitalists not providing food to the starving at affordable prices?
The grain exists. Current global stockpiles of course grains come to
about 135 million tonnes. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:33 am |
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"Michael Price" <nini_pad@yahoo.com> wrote
Quote: There would be no _government_ aid programs.
Thank you for being honest enough to admit that in a Libertarian society
there would be no
government aid programs to combat starvation, disease, pestalence, or
promote peace.
Now back to the question that you refuse to answer.
If there is Famine as your KKKonservative brother has claimed, and since
there is 135 million metric tonnnes of grain available, why are Capitalists
not providing that grain to the starving at an affrodable price?
Do you think you can answer that question... Libertarian. |
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| V-for-Vendicar |
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:36 am |
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"Poetic Justice" <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote
Quote: There would be private aid programs.
Well no there wouldn't because Libertarianism is based on an ideology of
absolute personal greed.
Now why not take a crack at the question...
If there is famine as your KKKonservative brother has claimed, and since
there is 135 million metric tonnes of grain available, then why are
Capitalists not providing that grain to the starving at an affordable price?
You don't seem capable of answering.
It's a simple question. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:21 am |
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On Apr 29, 8:30 pm, "V-for-Vendicar"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
Quote: "Harold Burton" <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote
Don't feed the troll.
Oh, by the way... There haven't been any significant number of starving
people in the world for the last 30 years. Lots of malnourished people, but
starvation has been the either the result of capitalists refusing to
provide
food during times of famine or war.
Famine is invariably a Capitalist crime.
Stalin starved 11 million Ukranians to death - and he was a communist.
Pol Pot starved over a million Cambodians to death - and he was a
Khmer Rouge - a communist.
Most of your brain cells have, at some time, been starved to death -
and you are a delerious fool. |
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| bvallely@aol.com |
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:27 am |
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If you feel that famine is a by product of capitalism, you need to
read about the history of communism. I suggest The Black Book of
Communism. |
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| Bert Hyman |
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:47 am |
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Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com (V-for-Vendicar) wrote in
news:ZDRRj.62649$dA2.6807@read2.cgocable.net:
Quote: "Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote
How many millions did that infamous capitalist, Stalin, starve?
About 8 million starved under Stalin's brutal rule. But of
course, none would have starved had he not embarked on a Capitalist
plan to sell grain on the global market to obtain funds for
modernization of the Russian nation.
That's funny!
Incredibly stupid and a transparent lie, but still funny.
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com |
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