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V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:26 am

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this is evidence consensual pedophilia is ok

The Rind Report, by 2 Temple University psychology professors.

The book, Harmful to Minors: The Dangers of Protecting Children from
Sex, by journalist Judith Levine.

The book, Love Against Hate, by psychiatrist Karl Levine, M.D.

The Kinsey Report

The Gay Report

The work of anthropologist Gilbert Herdt on the sambia people.

Your own common sense

Stop persecuting innocent people over a superstition.

IF YOU AGREE, COPY AND SEND THIS MESSAGE AROUND.

Patriot Games

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:44 am

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wm.bush1@gmail.com wm.bush1@gmail.com
this is evidence consensual pedophilia is ok
Your own common sense

My common sense tells me that pedophiles should be EXECUTED.

PseuDoeCyAnts

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:13 pm

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on Tue 29 Apr 2008 06:44:45a
"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> posted
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"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in
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this is evidence consensual pedophilia is ok
Your own common sense

My common sense tells me that pedophiles should be EXECUTED.

That's a visceral reaction, and an understandable one.

It is important not to leave your common sense behind here though.

A story from the D.C. NBC affiliate last February offers insight:

NBC4 - Washington D.C. - February 27, 2008
Police: More Than 20,000 VA. Computers Contain Child Porn
Company Seeks Out Computers Containing Child Pornography
<http://www.nbc4.com/news/15432277/detail.html?subid=10101441>

If you read the article carefully, you'll notice that 2 different
claims are made about the frequency of child pornography. In the
first, it says 1000 computers in Herndon have child pornography on
them. In the second it claims that 1000 people in Herndon, VA,
currently trade hardcore internet child porn. Both of these
assertions are not likely to be true.

I pulled a quick stat for Herndon's population from this link:
<http://www.city-data.com/city/Herndon-Virginia.html>
It may not be a valid stat, I did not double check.

It states Herndon, VA's population July, 2006 as: 21,877

If 1000 people in Herndon, VA, are active trading child
pornography, it is somewhere between 4% and 5% of its total
population. That statistic strikes me as being greatly
exaggerated. If it is not, then my perception that child
pornography is an aberrant behavior need be reconsidered, because
of its high frequency. You seem to be expressing the feeling that
it is perverse aberrant behavior, and is not a natural thing which
need be repressed for a higher societal good. If it is a factor
prevalent within a segment of society greater than 5% (there are
bound to others who have the desire, who are restrained from
acting because of societal taboos), our whole perspective on child
pornography, and by inference child molestation, need be reworked
to fit within the reality. I am not ready to address the issue in
this fashion, and would need a more thorough investigation into it
true frequency in society.

Consider what underlies this story though: Virginia State Police
desiring funding for snooping software and seeking legitimacy to
use it without restraint. Consider also, that even if this
software is flawless (extremely improbable), and does not throw
false positives, it does not detect whether a person at the
computer console was even aware they down loaded the image, and if
it was a part of a trojan in an email attachment, it could have
retransmitted the image to everyone in the user's address book
without their knowledge. It is also quite possible to download
child pornography unintentionally. Downloading files from the net
is a practise in blind faith. A user believes they are
downloading what is indicated in the link, but in reality, they
haven't the foggiest notion what a file really is until it is
investigated from their own computer. A compressed archive of
child porn downloaded this way would be decompressed onto a user's
hard drive, and even if it was immediately deleted, traces of it
would remain.

In either of these two instances, your visceral reaction would be
to kill the users, yet they are in fact innocent.

I do not know if this is the original poster's motivation, but
recently, The LP Party leadership took it upon themselves to
roll-over on the issue of personal privacy, because of child
pornography:

Libertarian party Press Release - April 25, 2008
Libertarians call for increased communication
to combat child pornography
<http://www.lp.org/media/article_578.shtml>

"FBI Chief Robert Mueller was correct when he said we are
losing the war on child pornography," says Libertarian Party
Executive Director Shane Cory, referring to comments made by
the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on Wednesday
before a House Judiciary Committee meeting. "We have an
obligation to protect children from sexual exploitation and
abuse, and we can do this by increasing communication between
state and federal agencies to help combat this repulsive
industry. While privacy rights should always be respected in
the pursuit of child pornographers, more needs to be done to
track down and prosecute the twisted individuals who exploit
innocent children."

It was reported elsewhere that Mueller was not just desirous of
monitoring the internet for Child Pornography, he wants to monitor
all traffic:

CNET News dot com - April 23, 2008
FBI wants widespread monitoring of 'illegal' Internet activity
by Anne Broache
<http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9926899-7.html>

Are you willing to just surrender you rights to the F.B.I, because
of claims its director makes to Congress, attempting to get
increased funding for his Agency? Remember that what you cede to
Dubya's FBI Director, could easily be inherited by HRC's FBI
director come January.

Additionally, there are possible underlying motivations with the
LP leadership in the timing of their release. Recently, the
website Third Party Watch unleashed an attack on LP Presidential
candidate, Mary Ruwart, regarding past statements she has made
about child pornography.
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/6a7g27>
Google Search:
<http://tinyurl.com/624ypa>

This website has since the beginning of the year been a sluttish
Bob Barr promoter. The site's publisher, Stephen P. Gordon, had
been at the forefront of pitching Barr as a viable LP candidate.
On April 6, 2008, Gordon fessed-up to working for the Bob Barr
exploratory committee.
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/5nlldt>

Yet on April 5, 2008, Gordon was still pitching Barr, supposedly
from a neutral vantage point.
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/5to877>

There is strong evidence that Gordon was already working for Barr
before April 5, 2008, and since his admission of working for Barr,
Gordon's pro-Barr posts have been spotty about clear disclosure
statements listing this bias. Other posts on the website with
authorship attributed non-specifically, that are decidedly
pro-Barr, should also have this disclosure with them, because
Gordon is the site's publisher, yet they have not. The site is
clearly biased pro-Barr, and by implication biased against his
comepetitors in the LP's Presidential campaign.

A recent post at Reason Magazine referred to the website, Third
Party Watch, as "invaluable", when referencing their original
Ruwart hit piece:

Reason Magazine - April 23, 2008
Suffer the Little Children
David Weigel
<http://www.reason.com/blog/show/126164.html>

Is Weigel an idiot, and unable to see the clear evidence that
Third Party Watch is a Bob Barr whore, or is he also
pro-Barr without offering disclosure?

--- ---- ----- ------ ------- --------

I am not here to defend Mary Ruwart's opinions. She is ably
capable of doing that herself. I will however mention that what
she said in 1992 about child pornography was not out of line with
many members of the LP Party then. The LP's position on children's
rights has always conflicted a bit with my personal beliefs.
Children are not adults. Just the same, if a child is old enough
to be tried as an adult, and be sentenced to adult penal
institutions for crimes committed, surely they are also old enough
to freely make personal sexual decisions. It is hypocritically
odious to assert otherwise.

Finally, what the substantive issue truly should be regarding
child pornography, as well as child molestation is: these are
reprehensible crimes, committed by individuals who need be
restrained from interacting freely in society, but the victims are
not MY children, they are yours. It is not my fault that you
possess incompetent parenting skills. You have no legitimate right
to steal my personal liberties, because of you personal failings.

Nobody has ever honestly claimed that Liberty was the easy path.
Instead; It is the proper path.

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:15 pm

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"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote

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My common sense tells me that pedophiles should be EXECUTED.

Your Libertarian Brothers disagree. They hold that Children have the same
rights as adults, and therefore the same right to prostitute themselves as
adults.

Anything else is pure slavery and pure Statist Communism, they say.

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:06 pm

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"PseuDoeCyAnts" <pseudocy@labb.port5.com> wrote

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Finally, what the substantive issue truly should be regarding
child pornography, as well as child molestation is: these are
reprehensible crimes, committed by individuals who need be
restrained from interacting freely in society, but the victims are
not MY children, they are yours. It is not my fault that you
possess incompetent parenting skills. You have no legitimate right
to steal my personal liberties, because of you personal failings.

Of course the Libertarian will claim that they are only crimes when the
child isn't a willing participant.

* Nambla fact file *

The North American Man/Boy Love Association is a civil rights/ political
organization based on strict Libertarian principles. We support non
coercive, CONSENSUAL intergenerational relationships and help educate
society about the true nature of such relationships.

We were founded in Boston in 1978 and currently have more than one
thousand members worldwide.

NAMBLA activities include speaking to university & community groups,
appearing on television and radio, conducting public forums, and holding
an annual NAMBLA conference.

NAMBLA publishes the "NAMBLA Bulletin" which is sent by first class mail
to our members. (It includes news, feature articles, letters, book
reviews, short stories, etc.) We also publish a literary Journal, books
and other material (all of which are strictly legal).

We also have a publications list which includes over 100 titles of books
(fiction and non-fiction) and periodicals which are available for sale.

We march in Gay & Lesbian Pride Day parades in Boston, New York and San
Francisco. And are involved in other gay & lesbian activities here and
abroad.

Our membership includes people of all ages, genders, and sexual
orientations. (The youngest member of our Bulletin Collective was 11
years old when he began writing a feature column for our publication.)

Although NAMBLA members hold diverse political views, as a group we take
a pro liberty stance on the rights of the individual, focusing on youth
liberation and empowerment.

NAMBLA does not provide referrals or assistance for people seeking
sexual contacts, nor do we engage in activities that violate the law. We
unequivocally condemn all coercive acts, sexual or otherwise, and we
seek to overturn all regulation, expecially those restricting
non-coercive social condut.

If you are interested in receiving a sample copy of our Bulletin,
information regarding membership or our publications list please write
to the address below.

A list of recommended readings, quotes about intergenerational
relationship and NAMBLA by prominent people in the movement, and a short
annotated list of research in the area are available via email upon
request.

Yours in Liberation, Ron Radow

From Libertynet: Libertarian news for a free America.

Patriot Games

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:42 pm

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"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> posted
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"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in
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this is evidence consensual pedophilia is ok
Your own common sense
My common sense tells me that pedophiles should be EXECUTED.
That's a visceral reaction, and an understandable one.

More than that...

Quote:

I sure HOPE that's an exaggerated figure!

Quote:

If it is not, then my perception that child
pornography is an aberrant behavior need be reconsidered, because
of its high frequency.

Same here.

Quote:

You seem to be expressing the feeling that
it is perverse aberrant behavior, and is not a natural thing which
need be repressed for a higher societal good. If it is a factor
prevalent within a segment of society greater than 5% (there are
bound to others who have the desire, who are restrained from
acting because of societal taboos), our whole perspective on child
pornography, and by inference child molestation, need be reworked
to fit within the reality. I am not ready to address the issue in
this fashion, and would need a more thorough investigation into it
true frequency in society.

Here's my take on it. Its a Sexual Orientation. Just like Heterosexual.
Just like Homosexual. Add Pedophile to that list. I also am of the opinion
that Sexual Orientation is genetic.

So in a Pedophile we have a person that CANNOT be 'fixed.' No amount of
surgery or chemistry or counseling is going to defeat a human being's
genetically predetermined Sexual Orientation short of rendering that person
a zombie.

If it makes people happy I'll apologize in advance but pedophiles are
monumentally dangerous, irreparably mutated, and we must permanently remove
them from society.

Execution, prison, their own special island, whatever....

Maybe in the future we'll be able to detect this genetic mutation in the
womb and make everybody's life easier....

Quote:

Consider what underlies this story though: Virginia State Police
desiring funding for snooping software and seeking legitimacy to
use it without restraint. Consider also, that even if this
software is flawless (extremely improbable), and does not throw
false positives, it does not detect whether a person at the
computer console was even aware they down loaded the image, and if
it was a part of a trojan in an email attachment, it could have
retransmitted the image to everyone in the user's address book
without their knowledge. It is also quite possible to download
child pornography unintentionally. Downloading files from the net
is a practise in blind faith. A user believes they are
downloading what is indicated in the link, but in reality, they
haven't the foggiest notion what a file really is until it is
investigated from their own computer. A compressed archive of
child porn downloaded this way would be decompressed onto a user's
hard drive, and even if it was immediately deleted, traces of it
would remain.
In either of these two instances, your visceral reaction would be
to kill the users, yet they are in fact innocent.

We can put them on trial if you insist! ;)

I'm automatically suspicious of their software until I know more about how
it works.

Most people have dynamic IPs so that could make the numbers falsely larger.

How do you know what is child pornography? You download it, look at it,
make the decision and retain the file name (and size and other attributes).
But a file name is just ASCII characters and could be anything and the name
has absolutely no relationship to its content. Even filename + extension +
size doesn't guarantee that its the same file you originally marked as child
pornography.

And we don't have a lot of control of what we download. When you click on a
link you get what's there and it is ON your computer BEFORE you see it.
Depending on your settings it could be there for years or even forever.

And with a little piece of script a webpage can cause you to download images
that you never even see... That's preloading.

And you could be Redirected from one link (that you thought was safe) to
another, causing a download, without even knowing it.

Quote:

I do not know if this is the original poster's motivation, but
recently, The LP Party leadership took it upon themselves to
roll-over on the issue of personal privacy, because of child
pornography:
Libertarian party Press Release - April 25, 2008
Libertarians call for increased communication
to combat child pornography
http://www.lp.org/media/article_578.shtml
"FBI Chief Robert Mueller was correct when he said we are
losing the war on child pornography," says Libertarian Party
Executive Director Shane Cory, referring to comments made by
the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on Wednesday
before a House Judiciary Committee meeting. "We have an
obligation to protect children from sexual exploitation and
abuse, and we can do this by increasing communication between
state and federal agencies to help combat this repulsive
industry. While privacy rights should always be respected in
the pursuit of child pornographers, more needs to be done to
track down and prosecute the twisted individuals who exploit
innocent children."
It was reported elsewhere that Mueller was not just desirous of
monitoring the internet for Child Pornography, he wants to monitor
all traffic:
CNET News dot com - April 23, 2008
FBI wants widespread monitoring of 'illegal' Internet activity
by Anne Broache
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9926899-7.html
Are you willing to just surrender you rights to the F.B.I, because
of claims its director makes to Congress, attempting to get
increased funding for his Agency? Remember that what you cede to
Dubya's FBI Director, could easily be inherited by HRC's FBI
director come January.

Scary thought! HRC having an FBI Director in the real world.

Here's the REAL problem. We know child pornography is not a big deal in
certain countries. We know who those countries are. We know those
websites. WE KNOW WHO BRINGS that FOREIGN traffic into America.

So why are we going after ONE PERVERT in Herndon, VA, when WE SHOULD BE
filing charges against AT&T or Verizon, or THE REAL SOURCE of the material
entering the country?

I've asked this more than once in the past. If the pervert who downloads
2,000 pictures of naked chilren is BAD (and he is) then HOW IS IT POSSIBLE
that the Service Provider who transferred 100,000,000 images a month is NOT
BAD?

Quote:

Additionally, there are possible underlying motivations with the
LP leadership in the timing of their release. Recently, the
website Third Party Watch unleashed an attack on LP Presidential
candidate, Mary Ruwart, regarding past statements she has made
about child pornography.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6a7g27
Google Search:
http://tinyurl.com/624ypa
This website has since the beginning of the year been a sluttish
Bob Barr promoter. The site's publisher, Stephen P. Gordon, had
been at the forefront of pitching Barr as a viable LP candidate.
On April 6, 2008, Gordon fessed-up to working for the Bob Barr
exploratory committee.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5nlldt
Yet on April 5, 2008, Gordon was still pitching Barr, supposedly
from a neutral vantage point.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5to877
There is strong evidence that Gordon was already working for Barr
before April 5, 2008, and since his admission of working for Barr,
Gordon's pro-Barr posts have been spotty about clear disclosure
statements listing this bias. Other posts on the website with
authorship attributed non-specifically, that are decidedly
pro-Barr, should also have this disclosure with them, because
Gordon is the site's publisher, yet they have not. The site is
clearly biased pro-Barr, and by implication biased against his
comepetitors in the LP's Presidential campaign.
A recent post at Reason Magazine referred to the website, Third
Party Watch, as "invaluable", when referencing their original
Ruwart hit piece:
Reason Magazine - April 23, 2008
Suffer the Little Children
David Weigel
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/126164.html
Is Weigel an idiot, and unable to see the clear evidence that
Third Party Watch is a Bob Barr whore, or is he also
pro-Barr without offering disclosure?
--- ---- ----- ------ ------- --------
I am not here to defend Mary Ruwart's opinions. She is ably
capable of doing that herself. I will however mention that what
she said in 1992 about child pornography was not out of line with
many members of the LP Party then. The LP's position on children's
rights has always conflicted a bit with my personal beliefs.
Children are not adults. Just the same, if a child is old enough
to be tried as an adult, and be sentenced to adult penal
institutions for crimes committed, surely they are also old enough
to freely make personal sexual decisions. It is hypocritically
odious to assert otherwise.

No it isn't. We don't try children as adults because we think they are
adults, we do that to get around having to automatically release them when
they turn 18.

Quote:

Patriot Games

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:44 pm

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"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote
My common sense tells me that pedophiles should be EXECUTED.
Your Libertarian Brothers disagree. They hold that Children have the same
rights as adults, and therefore the same right to prostitute themselves as
adults.
Anything else is pure slavery and pure Statist Communism, they say.

What "Libertarian Brothers?"

They don't even have an official political party....

V-for-Vendicar

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:44 pm

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"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote

Quote:

What "Libertarian Brothers?"

They don't even have an official political party....

MMMMMMOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_%28United_States%29

http://www.lp.org/

PseuDoeCyAnts

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:09 am

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on Tue 29 Apr 2008 02:06:08p
"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> posted
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"PseuDoeCyAnts" <pseudocy@labb.port5.com> wrote
Finally, what the substantive issue truly should be regarding
child pornography, as well as child molestation is: these are
reprehensible crimes, committed by individuals who need be
restrained from interacting freely in society, but the victims
are not MY children, they are yours. It is not my fault that
you possess incompetent parenting skills. You have no
legitimate right to steal my personal liberties, because of you
personal failings.

Of course the Libertarian will claim that they are only crimes
when the
child isn't a willing participant.

* Nambla fact file *

The North American Man/Boy Love Association is a civil rights/
political organization based on strict Libertarian principles.
We support non coercive, CONSENSUAL intergenerational
relationships and help educate society about the true nature of
such relationships.

It is not proper to make broad generalisation for a whole party
based on positions of just a few.

There is a much larger percentage of Repbublicans who support
human torture than there are libertarians who support child
molestation. There are many Democrats who do not believe that a
Constitutional Amendment is necessary to strip away the right to
be armed.

Last July in the Senate the was a cloture vote to end debate on
Specter's Amendment to restore habeas corpus rights to the
detainees from the GWOT, and bring it to a vote. Cloture votes
require a super majority of 60 to pass in the Senate. Only 9
Republican Senators stood in defense of habeas corpus on that day,
a natural right of all humans, not bounded by citizenry.
Democrats welcome leftist socialists within their party, who have
no belief in democratic processes, and would at the first
opportunity, strip away the right to vote from the people, if it
meant they would control in perpetuity.

Neither side is worth a shit, and the 2-party system is a game of
good-cop/bad-cop played out for the people who have let themselves
be chained inside the bipolar polity. Both sides will take
advantage of any method the other party has used to usurp the
people's liberty in the past. Both parties' leadership is
comprised of the Rank who lie cheat and steal from their
membership of defiled. Maybe we should assume all Repbublicans
have Craiglike wide stances, or Vitter's adulterous sense of
morality. Democrats have Spitzer, and a past NJ governor.
Republicans have Abramoff, DeLay, Cunningham, and many more, but
Democrats have William J. Jefferson, and an imprisoned Trafficant.

Greens are ideological authoritarians, who beleive they have the
right to subvert the laws of the land, because they cannot succeed
at their goals by promoting their visions victoriously in the free
marketplace of ideas.

Bro, about that mote in your eye, better get your ass over in
front of a mirror ASAP, and that is just the front door to the
glass house you reside in. Quick anybody, hand me a rock!

Your assertions about libertarians are not even close to being
valid, and your example of NAMBLA speaks more of your own personal
psychological repressions than it does of libertarians' intents.
Just how large to you believe NAMBLA's membership is presently?
Why did you choose to single NAMBLA out, when there are far more
cases of little boy child molestation directly tied to the
Catholic priesthood, The Boys Scouts of America, or the Baptist
Youth Ministries? There is no direct correlation to homosexuality
and pedophilia. Where that myth gets its power is from idiots who
assume that sexual orientation of a pedophilile can be directly
derived from the predominant gender of their victims. Yet when
the standard used to assess sexual preferences of a pedophile is
their gender preferences in adult to adult sexual relationships,
the frequency of homosexuals who are pedophiles drops to below the
frequency of homosexuals in the total population. Pedophiles most
often choose their targets, not because of gender, but because of
opportunity. The reason that pedophile Catholic Priests have
predominently preyed upon boys as their victims is not as much a
function of homosexuality as it is a function of Catholic
families' gender based child-rearing practises. Little Mary Ellen
is not likely to be allowed to trim candle wicks alone with Father
Bumsfielder down at St. Buggerers Chapel, but it's good for
Antonin Jr's development of soul.

As to adults who actively seek out adolescents for sexual
partners, judging from what I read in the paper, there seems to be
no tilt towards homosexuals as perpetrators.

I was greatly amused by claims that Mark Foley was a pedophile.
His contacts were Pages, who were sons of GOP contributors, and
pedophilia is by definition sexual relations with pre-adolescent
children. If Foley is a pedophile, then Republicans have a lot of
explaining to do about their 16, 17 and 18 year old sons,
regarding why their testicles have not yet descended. That would
go a long way in illuminating why College Republican chapters are
avoided by on campus Military Recruiters, and here I thought it
was because they are afflicted, just like their daddies' with the
genetic disorders of Weak Knees, Jaundiced Abdomens, and
Alabaster-Hued Livers. Silly me, the cause was actually
Acute Genitalia Deficit Disorder (AGDD).

Clearly, your motivation is not to protect children from being
molested, but instead to falsely allege a correlation between
child molestation and homosexuality as you cast false dispersions
upon libertarians. It is you who has ridden into the valley of the
wide-stance, because of this. Yet you laughably shriek
accusations at libertarians for your own cold-sweat awakenings in
the dead of night from your sweet dreams of sword-fighting with
Peter Pan. TinkerBell, you really ought to seek out competent
psychological help.

Patriot Games

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:18 am

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"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote
What "Libertarian Brothers?"
They don't even have an official political party....
MMMMMMOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_%28United_States%29

Sucker.....

Nothing about "Children have the same rights as adults, and therefore the
same right to prostitute themselves as adults."

Try again?

Quote:

http://www.lp.org/

National Platform of the Libertarian Party
http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml#sexgend

Nothing about "Children have the same rights as adults, and therefore the
same right to prostitute themselves as adults."

Try again?

PseuDoeCyAnts

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:07 am

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"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> posted
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"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in
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this is evidence consensual pedophilia is ok
Your own common sense
My common sense tells me that pedophiles should be EXECUTED.
That's a visceral reaction, and an understandable one.

More than that...

It is important not to leave your common sense behind here
though. A story from the D.C. NBC affiliate last February
offers insight: NBC4 - Washington D.C. - February 27, 2008
Police: More Than 20,000 VA. Computers Contain Child Porn
Company Seeks Out Computers Containing Child Pornography
http://www.nbc4.com/news/15432277/detail.html?subid=10101441
If you read the article carefully, you'll notice that 2
different claims are made about the frequency of child
pornography. In the first, it says 1000 computers in Herndon
have child pornography on them. In the second it claims that
1000 people in Herndon, VA, currently trade hardcore internet
child porn. Both of these assertions are not likely to be true.
I pulled a quick stat for Herndon's population from this link:
http://www.city-data.com/city/Herndon-Virginia.html
It may not be a valid stat, I did not double check.
It states Herndon, VA's population July, 2006 as: 21,877
If 1000 people in Herndon, VA, are active trading child
pornography, it is somewhere between 4% and 5% of its total
population. That statistic strikes me as being greatly
exaggerated.

I sure HOPE that's an exaggerated figure!

If it is not, then my perception that child
pornography is an aberrant behavior need be reconsidered,
because of its high frequency.

Same here.

You seem to be expressing the feeling that
it is perverse aberrant behavior, and is not a natural thing
which need be repressed for a higher societal good. If it is a
factor prevalent within a segment of society greater than 5%
(there are bound to others who have the desire, who are
restrained from acting because of societal taboos), our whole
perspective on child pornography, and by inference child
molestation, need be reworked to fit within the reality. I am
not ready to address the issue in this fashion, and would need
a more thorough investigation into it true frequency in
society.

Here's my take on it. Its a Sexual Orientation. Just like
Heterosexual. Just like Homosexual. Add Pedophile to that list.
I also am of the opinion that Sexual Orientation is genetic.

So in a Pedophile we have a person that CANNOT be 'fixed.' No
amount of surgery or chemistry or counseling is going to defeat
a human being's genetically predetermined Sexual Orientation
short of rendering that person a zombie.

If it makes people happy I'll apologize in advance but
pedophiles are monumentally dangerous, irreparably mutated, and
we must permanently remove them from society.

Execution, prison, their own special island, whatever....

Maybe in the future we'll be able to detect this genetic
mutation in the womb and make everybody's life easier....

You understood the main drift of what I was trying to convey to

you. You may not understand the inherent differences between
pedophilia (sexual relations with pre-adolescents) and sexual
relations with post-pubescent minors, and the difference is a big
one, although I have no problem with either being a criminal act
(one exception below). Pedophilia is preponderately not motivated
as a method to seek sexual gratification. It is instead a twisted
drive to dominate a child, and the gender of the victim, as well
as sexual satisfaction is not the underlying motivations
compelling the act. There may be some genetic correlation to it,
but the strongest tie found so far is having been sexually
molested as a pre-adolescent youth. What is known about presently
about the causes of pedophillia are environmental factors, not
genetic.

My one exception to statutory rape, would be in cases where the
perpetrator is barely over eithteen and the victim is barely under
the age of eighteen, and the sex was cosnensual. Neither are
acting unnaturally in this circumstance, and the one who is 18
should bot be facing a felony for this. It's an entirely
different ball game when the age disparity is great. I've never
understood this attradtion to great age disparity. I've never
been married, and I've discovered over the years, that my age
preferences for female relationships has generally traversed along
with my own. admittedly, as my bow line has sunk a bit lower into
the water the wake travels back a bit further, but not
excessively. At this point in my life, I hope to have the good
fortune of living long and healthly enough to become the subject
of laviscious gossip at the retirement community's rec center.
How is that for a goal in life?

Quote:

I've asked this more than once in the past. If the pervert who
downloads 2,000 pictures of naked chilren is BAD (and he is)
then HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that the Service Provider who
transferred 100,000,000 images a month is NOT BAD?

If they have knowingly allowed content to be propagated

through-out their network without taking any action to stop it,
then they are guilty of a chargeable offense. If they have not
been cognizant of any specific child pornography, then they can
rightfully stand upon a defense of safe-harbor. ISPs should not
be the content police, and if they ever agree to do this, it will
be because Congress has sold us out on the concept of free
information flow, and the Networks will then be more intent on
charging byte for byte all content that flows through their lines,
than they will be to stem criminal activity that flows through
their network. Any actions that lead to indictments, and
prosecutions will be nothing more than PR dog and pony shows for
the ISPs.

The government built the origional infrastructure for the net, and
has always been far too willing to give up monetary incentives for
private development of it. There is a substantial portion of the
internet in America, which was built directly fromm taxpayers'
monies. Because of this, claims of it being private property are
specious. The net is a public resource, and if the Network
Providers don't like it, they should be forced to pay back into
the government's treasury the financial advantages (net profits
from the investment included) they received for using the public
funding in the first place. It is not right to be taxed for
services one does not desire or use, but it is even more of an
obscenity simply give away at less than fair value, what was
produced from public funding to business interests, just for the
sake of privatisation, without first recouping the investments
plus minimally, a reasonable interest fee.

This is another place where I have contention with many
libertarians. There is no Constitutional Natural Right to Possess
Property. Private Property is indeed an essential part of a truly
free society, but the right itself is not a natural right farther
than an idividual is able directly utilise the property for their
benefit. All other forms of property, absentee landholding,
legacy transfers, intellectual property, etc. are grants from a
vigorous state, yet libertarians often state that they believe
they have a right to possess these forms of property, even as they
claim the want an anemic state power. It cannot be both ways, and
still remian a free society. Their path leads to a condition of
private feudalism, and a continuous class conflict.

And lastly, I still disagree with your assessment regarding trying
children as adults. I can understand a need for a longer
sentences than current juvenile law provides for extraordinary
circumstances, but the proper response to this would be to alter
existing juvenile law, not to toss children into the adult
judiciary and penal systems. Again, if they are old enough to be
tried as adults, then they should be considered to be lawful
adults from all angles. If they are to be held fully responsible
for their actions criminally, then they should also be considered
to be adults and responsible for their social actions. This is
nothing more than an equal application of law; a foundational
precept in a free society.

PseuDoeCyAnts

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:22 am

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on Wed 30 Apr 2008 05:18:38a
"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> posted
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Quote:

"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in
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"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote
What "Libertarian Brothers?"
They don't even have an official political party....
MMMMMMOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Party_%
28United_States%
29

Sucker.....

Nothing about "Children have the same rights as adults, and
therefore the same right to prostitute themselves as adults."

Try again?

http://www.lp.org/

National Platform of the Libertarian Party
http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml#sexgend

Nothing about "Children have the same rights as adults, and
therefore the same right to prostitute themselves as adults."

Try again?

This guy is a clown, who is probably driven by an underlying urge

just dying to get out and do the soft-shoe in a performance for
one hapless soul who just happens to be occupied in the adjacent
public toilet stall.

There is no substantiation to what he claims about the LP. There
have been and are libertarians who believe that children do
possess largely the same set of rights as do adults, and almos all
libertarians believe that children get the shaft when it comes to
due process and liberty, but there has never been any party plank
close to what he is alleging.

At the same time, what is presently the LP platform is but a
shadow of what it once was. The Party has been jacked by
conservative political activists, who have under the guise of
practicality. It is the same sort of BS that has destroyed the
soul of the Republican Party: A Big Circus Tent of Inclusivenenss.
There is nothing wrong in increasing membership, if the members
agree to the party's underlying philosophy, but just as the
Newright jacked The Republican Party away from real conservatives,
all the while claiming themselves to be conservative, The LP is
now being flooded with many of the same type of right-siders, who
have decided to redefine what libertarianism is, claiming a need
for the party to moderate its extreme views. what they really
mean is that the social liberty side of libertarian theory, which
is the flip-side of the economic part, need be tossed out the
window. What is left is just another newright distortion, but
this time wrapped up in a libertarian skin, as they have shed
their appropriated conservative skin after polluting it.

it cannot be libertarianism, when the equivocate about adult drug
usage, or rights of homosexuals. It is not a libertarianism that
during the 2006 mid-term elections pressed tirelessly for eminent
domain initiatives, that when investigated, exposed legislated
remedies that in any controversy between a small individual
landholder and a collectivist business entity that a community
must decide between, the collectivist business entity wins every
time. It is not a real libertarianism, whic at the same time is
was working towards a pro-corporate view of eminent domain,
ignored the clear and egregious violations of humans rights which
were being done by the Bush administration. due process of law,
and habeas corpus are rights of humanity, and are not bounded by
citizenry. If these are not rights secured in their possession by
all, then they are grants given to a citizenry by a magnanimous
state. A dangerous idea, that will in the end be fatal to
liberty. what a government has given, it will surely some day
take away. True Friends of Liberty understand this clearly, and
fight for the natural rights of even our most dangerous enemies.

This is not madness, it is pure original intent:

"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty.
It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply
even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty
secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if
he violates this duty he establishes a precedent
that will reach to himself."

Thomas Paine,
"Dissertations on First Principles of Government", 1795

--- ---- ----- ------

Enough of the philosophical musing though.
If you're interested in what the LP once stood for,
The internet Archives can provide time-capsule glimpses.

Here is a complete list of the Internet Archives' holdings of the
LP website's published party platform from Aug.2000 to Mar 2005:
<http://web.archive.org/web/*hh_/www.lp.org/issues/campplat/>

Here's the platform from October 30, 2000
<http://tinyurl.com/62xzmx>

Here's the platform from September 24, 2004
<http://tinyurl.com/564nkm>
a very nice one-page printable format on this link too.

From the latter link, I provide the two most relevant planks
to this topic verbatim:

------------------------------------{

= I Individual Rights and Civil Order =

=== 21 Families and Children ===

==== The Issue:

Government involvement in traditional parenting
responsibilities has weakened families and replaced
family-taught morals with government-taught morals.

==== The Principle:

Families and households are private institutions, which should
be free from government intrusion and interference. Parents,
or other guardians, have the right to raise their children
according to their own standards and beliefs, without
interference by government -- unless they are abusing the
children. Because parents have these rights, a child may not
be able to fully exercise his or her rights in the context of
family life. However, children always have the right to
establish their maturity by assuming administration and
protection of their own rights, ending dependency upon their
parents or other guardians, and assuming all responsibilities
of adulthood. A child is a human being and, as such, deserves
to be treated justly.

Parents have no right to abandon or recklessly endanger their
children. Whenever they are unable or unwilling to raise their
children, they have the obligation to find other person(s)
willing to assume guardianship.

==== Solutions:

We recognize that the determination of child abuse can be very
difficult. Only local courts should be empowered to remove a
child from his or her home, with the consent of the community.
This is not meant to preclude appropriate action when a child
is in immediate physical danger.

==== Transitional Action:

We would repeal all laws that impede these processes, notably
those restricting private adoption services. In particular, we
call for the repeal of all laws restricting transracial
adoption. We oppose laws infringing on children's rights to
work or learn, such as child labor laws and compulsory
education laws. We also oppose the use of curfews based on
age.

We call for an end to the practice in many states of jailing
children not accused of any crime. We call for repeal of all
"children's codes" or statutes which abridge due process
protections for young people.

=== 22. Sexual Rights ===

==== The Issue:

Government has presumed to decide acceptability over sexual
practices in personal relationships, imposing a particular
code of moral and social values and displacing personal choice
in such matters.

==== The Principle:

Adults have the right to private choice
in consensual sexual activity.

==== Solutions:

We advocate an end to all government attempts to dictate,
prohibit, control or encourage any private lifestyle, living
arrangement or contractual relationship.

==== Transitional Action:

We would repeal existing laws and policies intended to
condemn, affirm, encourage or deny sexual lifestyles, or any
set of attitudes about such lifestyles.

}------------------------------------

So maybe you have disagreement with the positions stated here, but
it should be obvious that there is no support for pedophillia
stated in it.

Patriot Games

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:51 pm

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Quote:

on Tue 29 Apr 2008 03:42:16p
"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> posted
in news:4817a44a$0$3394$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
Here's my take on it. Its a Sexual Orientation. Just like
Heterosexual. Just like Homosexual. Add Pedophile to that list.
I also am of the opinion that Sexual Orientation is genetic.
So in a Pedophile we have a person that CANNOT be 'fixed.' No
amount of surgery or chemistry or counseling is going to defeat
a human being's genetically predetermined Sexual Orientation
short of rendering that person a zombie.
If it makes people happy I'll apologize in advance but
pedophiles are monumentally dangerous, irreparably mutated, and
we must permanently remove them from society.
Execution, prison, their own special island, whatever....
Maybe in the future we'll be able to detect this genetic
mutation in the womb and make everybody's life easier....
You understood the main drift of what I was trying to convey to
you. You may not understand the inherent differences between
pedophilia (sexual relations with pre-adolescents) and sexual
relations with post-pubescent minors, and the difference is a big
one, although I have no problem with either being a criminal act
(one exception below).

"Post-pubescent minors" are will ultimately be a legal definition.

Quote:

Pedophilia is preponderately not motivated
as a method to seek sexual gratification. It is instead a twisted
drive to dominate a child, and the gender of the victim, as well
as sexual satisfaction is not the underlying motivations
compelling the act.

You are completely wrong.

ped·o·phil·i·a (ped?-fil'e-?, ped?-)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
noun - The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual
activity with a child or children.

pe•do•phil•i•a

Pronunciation: (pe"du-fil'e-u), [key]
—n. Psychiatry.
sexual desire in an adult for a child.

pedophilia
Function: noun
sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object.

Pedophilia

Definition
Pedophilia is a paraphilia that involves an abnormal interest in children. A
paraphilia is a disorder that is characterized by recurrent intense sexual
urges and sexually arousing fantasies generally involving: nonhuman objects;
the suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner (not merely
simulated); or animals, children, or other nonconsenting persons. Pedophilia
is also a psychosexual disorder in which the fantasy or actual act of
engaging in sexual activity with prepubertal children is the preferred or
exclusive means of achieving sexual excitement and gratification. It may be
directed toward children of the same sex or children of the other sex. Some
pedophiles are attracted to both boys and girls. Some are attracted only to
children, while others are attracted to adults as well as to children.

Pedophilia is defined by mental health professionals as a mental disorder,
but the American legal system defines acting on a pedophilic urge as a
criminal act.

Description
The focus of pedophilia is sexual activity with a child. Many courts
interpret this reference to age to mean children under the age of 18. Most
mental health professionals, however, confine the definition of pedophilia
to sexual activity with prepubescent children, who are generally age 13 or
younger. The term ephebophilia, derived from the Greek word for "youth," is
sometimes used to describe sexual interest in young people in the first
stages of puberty.

The sexual behaviors involved in pedophilia cover a range of activities and
may or may not involve the use of force. Some pedophiles limit their
behaviors to exposing themselves or masturbating in front of the child, or
fondling or undressing the child, but without genital contact. Others,
however, compel the child to participate in oral sex or full genital
intercourse.

The most common overt aspect of pedophilia is an intense interest in
children. There is no typical pedophile. Pedophiles may be young or old,
male or female, although the great majority are males. Unfortunately, some
pedophiles are professionals who are entrusted with educating or maintaining
the health and well-being of young persons, while others are entrusted with
children to whom they are related by blood or marriage.
http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/pedophilia

Patriot Games

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:30 pm

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Quote:

on Tue 29 Apr 2008 03:42:16p
"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> posted
in news:4817a44a$0$3394$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
My one exception to statutory rape, would be in cases where the
perpetrator is barely over eithteen and the victim is barely under
the age of eighteen, and the sex was cosnensual. Neither are
acting unnaturally in this circumstance, and the one who is 18
should bot be facing a felony for this.

Our legal systenm is already cumbersome ebough without adding 128 ddifferent
versions of statutory rape. Rare issues like this are handled by
prosecutors and judges.

Quote:

It's an entirely
different ball game when the age disparity is great. I've never
understood this attradtion to great age disparity.

You CAN'T understand it. If you were a pedophile you COULD NOT understand
not being one.

Quote:

I've never
been married, and I've discovered over the years, that my age
preferences for female relationships has generally traversed along
with my own.

We call that "normal." We base calling that "normal" because about 99.99%
of the human population is like that.

I'm a late-50s heterosexual male who fell in love with my wife a hundred
plus years ago and we're still stupid in love today with 5 kids and 11
grandkids. I can't explain it, it happenned.

I can't explain homosexuality either EXCEPT as an OPPOSITE of myself. I'm
110% heterosecual and 110% not in any way attracted to men. So I simply
ASSUME that a homosexual would be exactly the same just in reverse.

And the same thing is true of pedophiles. That doesn't count as an
"understanding" in any serious clinical setting but it helps differentiating
the sexual orientations.

Quote:

admittedly, as my bow line has sunk a bit lower into
the water the wake travels back a bit further, but not
excessively. At this point in my life, I hope to have the good
fortune of living long and healthly enough to become the subject
of laviscious gossip at the retirement community's rec center.
How is that for a goal in life?

We all need goals. This is a secret, don't tell anybody, but if I make to
85 my goal at 85 will be to strip butt naked except for black socks and
wingtips and a long overcoat and go to downtown Tampa and ride the elevators
flashing young secretaries until they arrest me!

I never even had to try to ne a law-abiding citizen, it came natural and I
feel I'm missing part of the American Experience having never been arrested.

Quote:

I've asked this more than once in the past. If the pervert who
downloads 2,000 pictures of naked chilren is BAD (and he is)
then HOW IS IT POSSIBLE that the Service Provider who
transferred 100,000,000 images a month is NOT BAD?
If they have knowingly allowed content to be propagated
through-out their network without taking any action to stop it,
then they are guilty of a chargeable offense.

Every newsgroup server (and actual computer) that hosts the binary
newsgroups has hundreds of thousands of pictures and movie clips of child
pornography on them RIGHT NOW. Many of those servers are physically located
in the continental US - RIGHT NOW.

Its NOT POSSIBLE to NOT KNOW they contain child pornography because the
newsgroup names SAY SO and the newsgroup files SAY SO.

Quote:

ISPs should not
be the content police, and if they ever agree to do this, it will
be because Congress has sold us out on the concept of free
information flow, and the Networks will then be more intent on
charging byte for byte all content that flows through their lines,
than they will be to stem criminal activity that flows through
their network. Any actions that lead to indictments, and
prosecutions will be nothing more than PR dog and pony shows for
the ISPs.

Feel free to explain how Uncle Milton living in a suburb of Houston is EVIL
because he has 400 pictures of naked children but his ISP, 1 mile away, has
400,000 pictures of naked children?

The simple solution is to take the 'police' burden OFF the ISP in same way
we take it off the Bartender for the drunk driver. The Feds can easily find
to foreign source of child porn and issue a block order to all US ISPs.

Quote:

The government built the origional infrastructure for the net, and
has always been far too willing to give up monetary incentives for
private development of it. There is a substantial portion of the
internet in America, which was built directly fromm taxpayers'
monies. Because of this, claims of it being private property are
specious.

Not really. Most of the Internet in America was built on porn revenue. The
porn sites were the first high volume users who paid for the expansion of
T1s.

Quote:

This is another place where I have contention with many
libertarians. There is no Constitutional Natural Right to Possess
Property. Private Property is indeed an essential part of a truly
free society, but the right itself is not a natural right farther
than an idividual is able directly utilise the property for their
benefit. All other forms of property, absentee landholding,
legacy transfers, intellectual property, etc. are grants from a
vigorous state, yet libertarians often state that they believe
they have a right to possess these forms of property, even as they
claim the want an anemic state power. It cannot be both ways, and
still remian a free society. Their path leads to a condition of
private feudalism, and a continuous class conflict.

I don't claim to know about natural rights. The only natural right I
understand is the right to defend myself, my family, and my stuff.

I don't possess private property because I bought it. I POSSESS it because
YOU can't take it or buy it from me. If that leads to class conflict then
let's get that started now while I'm still young enough to shoot straight!

Quote:

And lastly, I still disagree with your assessment regarding trying
children as adults. I can understand a need for a longer
sentences than current juvenile law provides for extraordinary
circumstances, but the proper response to this would be to alter
existing juvenile law, not to toss children into the adult
judiciary and penal systems.

That would be the better approach be we frequently go with what is expedient
instead.

Right now in our legal system we have:

1) Not guilty.
2) Guilty.
3) Crazy.

What we really need is:

4) Guilty AND Crazy.

But we don't and that's why we say Jeffrey Dahmer is Guilty but not Crazy.
Of course he was completely freaking crazy! But if we let him out of our
grasp some dumbass shrink could declare him SANE in 5 years...

That just another example going with what is expedient.

Patriot Games

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:38 pm

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on Wed 30 Apr 2008 05:18:38a
"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> posted
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"V-for-Vendicar" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in
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Sucker.....
Nothing about "Children have the same rights as adults, and
therefore the same right to prostitute themselves as adults."
Try again?
http://www.lp.org/
National Platform of the Libertarian Party
http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml#sexgend
Nothing about "Children have the same rights as adults, and
therefore the same right to prostitute themselves as adults."
Try again?
This guy is a clown, who is probably driven by an underlying urge
just dying to get out and do the soft-shoe in a performance for
one hapless soul who just happens to be occupied in the adjacent
public toilet stall.

Ahh. He's a one of them Wide Stance Toe-Tappers!

Bwahahahahahhahaha!!

Quote:

There is no substantiation to what he claims about the LP. There
have been and are libertarians who believe that children do
possess largely the same set of rights as do adults, and almos all
libertarians believe that children get the shaft when it comes to
due process and liberty, but there has never been any party plank
close to what he is alleging.
At the same time, what is presently the LP platform is but a
shadow of what it once was. The Party has been jacked by
conservative political activists, who have under the guise of
practicality. It is the same sort of BS that has destroyed the
soul of the Republican Party: A Big Circus Tent of Inclusivenenss.

Inclusiveness is wonderful and makes for sweet TV commercials but somebody
forgot to keep the RIFF-RAFF out!

Quote:

There is nothing wrong in increasing membership, if the members
agree to the party's underlying philosophy, but just as the
Newright jacked The Republican Party away from real conservatives,
all the while claiming themselves to be conservative, The LP is
now being flooded with many of the same type of right-siders, who
have decided to redefine what libertarianism is, claiming a need
for the party to moderate its extreme views. what they really
mean is that the social liberty side of libertarian theory, which
is the flip-side of the economic part, need be tossed out the
window. What is left is just another newright distortion, but
this time wrapped up in a libertarian skin, as they have shed
their appropriated conservative skin after polluting it.

Don't take your seatbelt off just yet. Democrat, Republican, Libertarian,
(etc,) are ALL being redefined right now. I'm sure you can see that today's
Democrats are pure Socialists and many (most?) of todays Republicans are
actually traditional Democrats!

Everything is getting shifted around and probably won't settle down for a
few more decades.

Quote:

--- ---- ----- ------
So maybe you have disagreement with the positions stated here, but
it should be obvious that there is no support for pedophillia
stated in it.

"V-for-Vendicar" is a common fool.

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