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| Mike |
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On May 1, 10:10 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: Paul Mays wrote:
"Tom Roberts" <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Where is the SPEED of a bullet "stored"???
In the Chemical bonds of the gun powder..
Cannot possibly be true -- there is no gunpowder anywhere near a
speeding bullet.
Certainly the energy contained in those bonds gets transferred to the
bullet when the gun is fired, but the SPEED of the bullet is not
"stored" anywhere.
Tom Roberts
If it were stored, the bullet would not moved at all.
Simple answer.
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| Smooth John |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:44 am |
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On May 1, 5:12 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: Pmb wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:05 am, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Kinetic energy is not a substance that is stored. Your question is
based on a category error.
Not necessarily. I used to think that too but recently, upon more
reflection, it seems to me that the question "where the kinetic energy of a
bullet stored" can have a meaning.
Where is the SPEED of a bullet "stored"???
Any answer about kinetic energy should hold for speed, because they are
directly and inherently related. But it quite clearly is not possible to
"store" speed.
Always wonder why people pretend that kinetics has
only to with speed, why not acceleration, 3rd order and such
Why not position, and while at it why not space, geometry and time
It turns out that kinetic energy has nothing to do with
speed and/or motion variants, but only with geometry and
time
But we dont know what time and geometry are, because
they are only conceptional conventions
I mean, geometries are not outside a brain
Same think with time, time is not outside, but only an inside
conception, you only have outside a clock giving ordered
pulses, you count these pulses and give them a new name,
time, then again, using the time convention you made up
another convention naming it event
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This _IS_ a category error, or equivalent.
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| Smooth John |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:52 am |
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On May 1, 5:16 pm, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Paul Mays wrote:
In the Chemical bonds of the gun powder..
In which case Speed is a potential quantity for there is no certainty
the powder will be ignited or the gun loaded.
Bob Kolker
It is an unstable compound, how uncertain is that
Bring anything close to an unstable region, then it will ignite |
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| Mike |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:25 am |
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On May 1, 11:17 am, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Mike wrote:
Formal fallacy of conversion.
See mu reply to Roberts.
Stop being dogmatic. It has helped many people become bettr persons.
I am not being dogmatic. I am trying to be precise and accurate.
I have no particular axe to grind, so I can hardly be accused of being
dogmatic.
That is even more dangerous than being dogmatic for a good reason.
Mike
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| Mike |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:29 am |
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On May 1, 11:18 am, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Tom Roberts wrote:
Cannot possibly be true -- there is no gunpowder anywhere near a
speeding bullet.
Certainly the energy contained in those bonds gets transferred to the
bullet when the gun is fired, but the SPEED of the bullet is not
"stored" anywhere.
Speed is relational. Which takes us into the heart of a dispute between
Leibniz and Newton.
Bob Kolker
You just copy and paste things other says without understanding them
at all.
That makes dogmatic without a good reason, you in adiition to sounding
fool.
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| Smooth John |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:11 am |
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On May 1, 6:55 pm, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Smooth John wrote:
On May 1, 5:16 pm, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Paul Mays wrote:
In the Chemical bonds of the gun powder..
In which case Speed is a potential quantity for there is no certainty
the powder will be ignited or the gun loaded.
Bob Kolker
It is an unstable compound, how uncertain is that
Bring anything close to an unstable region, then it will ignite
You have absolute proof the gun will be loaded with bullets?
Bob Kolker
This is entirely other question, aka are you sure you have a gun?
The logical seen and detected universe needs stability in order to
be detectable, otherwise it remains undetectable, because you
cannot detect something which is not logic, aka reasonably stable |
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| Paul Mays |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:37 am |
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"Tom Roberts" <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Pmb wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:05 am, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Kinetic energy is not a substance that is stored. Your question is
based on a category error.
Not necessarily. I used to think that too but recently, upon more
reflection, it seems to me that the question "where the kinetic energy
of a
bullet stored" can have a meaning.
Where is the SPEED of a bullet "stored"???
In the Chemical bonds of the gun powder..
Quote:
Any answer about kinetic energy should hold for speed, because they are
directly and inherently related. But it quite clearly is not possible to
"store" speed.
This _IS_ a category error, or equivalent.
Tom Roberts |
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| Tom Roberts |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:10 am |
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Paul Mays wrote:
Quote: "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:HzaSj.487$17.43@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
Where is the SPEED of a bullet "stored"???
In the Chemical bonds of the gun powder..
Cannot possibly be true -- there is no gunpowder anywhere near a
speeding bullet.
Certainly the energy contained in those bonds gets transferred to the
bullet when the gun is fired, but the SPEED of the bullet is not
"stored" anywhere.
Tom Roberts |
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| Mike |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:10 am |
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On May 1, 12:58 pm, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: Mike wrote:
On May 1, 11:18 am, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote:
Cannot possibly be true -- there is no gunpowder anywhere near a
speeding bullet.
Certainly the energy contained in those bonds gets transferred to the
bullet when the gun is fired, but the SPEED of the bullet is not
"stored" anywhere.
Speed is relational. Which takes us into the heart of a dispute between
Leibniz and Newton.
Bob Kolker
You just copy and paste things other says without understanding them
at all.
The antagonism between the absolute notion and relational notion
is still with us and the last word on the matter has not been written or
said.
I agree with that one.
Mike
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| Robert J. Kolker |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:13 am |
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Y.Porat wrote:
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so why not say that
energy is mass in motion!
O.K. I will. So say we all.
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| Robert J. Kolker |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:16 am |
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Paul Mays wrote:
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In the Chemical bonds of the gun powder..
In which case Speed is a potential quantity for there is no certainty
the powder will be ignited or the gun loaded.
Bob Kolker |
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| Robert J. Kolker |
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Mike wrote:
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Formal fallacy of conversion.
See mu reply to Roberts.
Stop being dogmatic. It has helped many people become bettr persons.
I am not being dogmatic. I am trying to be precise and accurate.
I have no particular axe to grind, so I can hardly be accused of being
dogmatic.
Bob Kolker |
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| Robert J. Kolker |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:18 am |
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Tom Roberts wrote:>
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Cannot possibly be true -- there is no gunpowder anywhere near a
speeding bullet.
Certainly the energy contained in those bonds gets transferred to the
bullet when the gun is fired, but the SPEED of the bullet is not
"stored" anywhere.
Speed is relational. Which takes us into the heart of a dispute between
Leibniz and Newton.
Bob Kolker |
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| Robert J. Kolker |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:55 am |
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Smooth John wrote:
Quote: On May 1, 5:16 pm, "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
Paul Mays wrote:
In the Chemical bonds of the gun powder..
In which case Speed is a potential quantity for there is no certainty
the powder will be ignited or the gun loaded.
Bob Kolker
It is an unstable compound, how uncertain is that
Bring anything close to an unstable region, then it will ignite
You have absolute proof the gun will be loaded with bullets?
Bob Kolker |
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| Robert J. Kolker |
| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:56 am |
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Mike wrote:
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That is even more dangerous than being dogmatic for a good reason.
Mike
You mean it is better to be sloppy in one's thinking? You would know
more about that, than I.
Bob Kolker |
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